22 Feb 2016 16:55:08
Ed 2,
Am I right in thinking that you believe Klopp should be producing better results with the current squad he has at his disposal?
Posters are craving new players for another transition period but surely the fans would want to see an improvement with the current squad. Hopefully with players returning from injuries we could see this but then again could BR of produced the same with those returning players.? Who knows!
{Ed002's Note - Yes they should be doing better - that was his remit which he himself has explained.}
22 Feb 2016 17:08:12
Do you believe he has the knowledge and ability to do better for us or is it a case of "only time will tell"?
I get the love for Klopp from fans and pundits around but you would hope for more than just his ability to put an arm around a player and his honesty on performances. Where would you place this current squad potentially?
{Ed002's Note - Klopp needs to learn to adapt and needs to change some players in the summer. He has made mistakes (e.g. not adapting, Caulker, Ward, etc.) and it is the expected bumpy ride.}
22 Feb 2016 17:31:11
Ward was a horrible decision poor lads was doing great now rotten away on a bench with out getting a chance in a cup is a disgrace.
22 Feb 2016 17:26:23
Would you push yourself enough to say that Klopp is the answer for this football club.? :-)
{Ed002's Note - Klopp's fine but he needs to accept that he needs to change and not necessarily everybody around him. This was always going to be an issue.}
22 Feb 2016 17:50:33
Cheers!
22 Feb 2016 18:00:57
Great post ed. I agree with all you have said about Klopp and I hope he heeds your advice.
22 Feb 2016 18:01:30
I think its only when you see these players being played under a proper manager with proper tactics you realise how bad they are, i among many other fans have been amazed at the lack of quality they have been exposed as having since klopp has come in.
22 Feb 2016 18:16:50
These players have performed at previous clubs i. e Lallana, Benteke, Milner, Mignolet haven't they? hence why they were bought. They are under performing, its as simple as that. Whether it's confidence, tactics or whatever, it ultimately lies with Klopp to improve performances of these players and the team. I personally believe the majority of under performances are due the pressure in which the fans put on them from day one or it atleast goes along way to under performing players.
{Ed001's Note - actually that is arguable. Lallana was not producing much in the way of assists or goals for Southampton, he was working hard and doing fancy turns, which he is still doing. Benteke has scored goals for us while being a lamp post, he did the same at Villa. Milner has always been rated purely for his workrate more than his ability. Mignolet was dodgy as hell at Sunderland and it was shocking anyone at the club thought he was worth buying. So no, they are not performing worse under Klopp, they have all looked better under him than they did under Rodgers. Especially Milner.}
22 Feb 2016 18:26:36
I think klopp bringing in ward and caulker is a sign that he is worried too much about his reputation. bogan was costing us matches and so ward was brought in as a better option case migs got injured. same with caulker, our cb's were dropping like flies so we got insurance incase all cb's were injured. it smells like bad mentality from our manager too worried about the short term. it probably seems like a stupid decision to klopp now. we are out of fa cup, top 4 is most likely gone, just the final and Europa to play for. I would understand these dicisions if we were actually playing good and fighting on all fronts.
22 Feb 2016 18:31:03
I actually agree with ed2 on this and I always have done in regards of his/ her thoughts on klopp. I think klopp has been massively overhyped, even though he is a top coach he is not in the elite bracket. He is a great personality and a breath of fresh air after BR but he is not the saviour a lot of the hysteria would have lead you to believe. Everyone knows there is a lot more problems at the club than just the manager and they are the real reasons the club is on a slow downward trend. I think klopp is certainly a long term manager and that doesn't necessarily mean he will get it right in the end. If I'm honest I think our league position might have been slightly better under Rogers but very similar in terms of results. I think in terms of cup competitions we would have never won anything under Rogers, klopp is a specialist at these types of competitions and he has already proved that. We will win more under klopp in 3 seasons but will we get champions league football and a title challenge, I'm not so sure. One thing has to change and it is the spine of the team, we could sit here and say we don't need more transition but this squad will not improve that drastically. Spurs actually had a squad full of potential world class players, we don't. We need to start fresh and more importantly get rid of the players that are no longer part of the plans because there are too many. Then get strictly top quality first team players. If we go for potential or youth or average first team players we are in trouble and in even more debt.
I'm fully behind klopp and have more faith in him than I did with Rogers but forgive me for my pessimism, I was never blinded by the arrival of klopp like many supporters I knew more had to happen. Let's hop he adapts as ed 2 quite rightly said.
22 Feb 2016 18:43:09
Good grief. Talk about sheep jumping on a bandwagon after 'ed002' says something.
22 Feb 2016 18:59:54
They have still performed well at previous clubs though ed. Mignolet was putting in big saves, as you said Benteke was scoring goals especially against ourselves, Milner has never been the most eye catching player but was part of a successful man city squad and Lallana was playing very well and receiving plenty of attention in the media. I think most Liverpool fans were excited by his signing. I'm not a huge fan of the signings myself bar Lallana and I'm right behind Klopp to succeed but these guys can perform better IMO and the manager has to be and I'm sure is trying to get the best out of them. Wholesale changes and more years of transition? I think we are all sick of that word.
{Ed001's Note - Mignolet was not performing well, he has always had a poor save to shot percentage. I am sorry but it is clear you are just looking for reasons to whine and I am not interested in talking to someone who has so little knowledge of the players they are discussing but will still argue the point out of sheer bloodymindedness. Using media crap to make a point just shows how little you know about the players in question, that your sole point of reference is the moronic crap in newspapers from journalists that half the time haven't even watched the game they are chatting crap about.}
22 Feb 2016 19:11:09
Kloppo is an intelligent football man.
He took Dortmund to 2 titles and a Champions league final.
He got Mainz promoted for the first time ever.
I think he will adapt, to be fair to him he hasn't needed to adapt much before this job. But this is a new challenge for him and a chance for him to prove himself.
He will be an elite coach if he succeeds at LFC. If he fails, he will struggle to rebuild his reputation.
I'm confident he can adapt, but he needs time to devise the adaptations needed.
We just need to be patient, he'll work it out in time.
22 Feb 2016 19:35:10
Wow he said brenda would have us higher in the league than klopp hahahahaha wow did brenda type that herself and agree klopp will adapt over time but true those players mentioned I was not happy with at all even ings I wasn't fully behind but he showed me a lot to like gomez I liked and Emre I loved I still see he will become a monster midfielder but with pep at city and jose to man u and possibly Simon to Chelsea and other teams pushing well klopp does have a lot to pick up fast to make us challenge but as ed always says it's upstairs causing problems to and they need to be fixed not just some of the underperforming players we have.
22 Feb 2016 19:44:32
Some of are you are deadset sycophants! It's like every ed002 opinion is gospel! he's just another (but very well informed) football fan with his own opinion. I tend to agree more with ed001 on this. Some of the underperforming players at the club can't even partly bin their failures on klopp. Klopp doesn't need to change himself, what he's doing is just fine. Just because a lot of players aren't fit enough yet to handle his style, that doesn't mean that *he* needs to change.
Klopp is an honourable guy, of course he's going to shoulder the blame and proclaim he should be doing much better with the players he has. But if he really believed that, then he wouldn't look sell them in the summer.
22 Feb 2016 20:19:41
I think you'll find you have similar knowledge to a lot of people on here ed. I'm not whining, I'm not arguing, I was merely having a conversation with ed 2 and not yourself. You chose to comment because you disagreed. I referred to the media once, in regards to Lallana which include comments from ex professionals, pundits etc. He was playing well and most Liverpool fans were happy he signed. "Crap" that is not!
{Ed001's Note - if you say so. But you can take your head out of your backside and realise that it is not a conversation between two people, it is a public forum, which means anyone can join in and point out when you are talking crap. You said that Lallana was playing well because a few morons in the media said so. Just accept that you knew nothing about him other than what they said, as you have made that clear. As for similar knowledge, I sit and watch 5 games a day on a usual day, rather than getting my opinions off the people on here or the media pundits, I actually watch these players on a daily basis. Do you? I don't care what the media said, I watched him and formulated an opinion on Lallana from doing so. Perhaps you should try doing the same?}
22 Feb 2016 20:31:18
I think JK is a top coach and has got us playing better. You couldn't really expect Klopp to just come in and wave a magic wand. The Prem is a very exciting league. Germany is pretty much Dortmund and Munich, Barca, Real, Athletico in Spain. But the Prem always has surprises. Chelsea's appalling start, Leicester doing well (hope they win it ;) I think the prem is a bit more turbulent and i agree with Eds2 saying JK needs to adapt and learn more which i'm pretty confident he will.
Plus we do have some very average players. But also some good ones so i think got to let Klopp adapt and learn this season and hopefully move some players on and bring some in, in the summer and should also be exciting seeing Leicester play Barcelona in the champs league!
Also for a bit of banter. I read a comment somewhere from a pool fan, they couldn't decided between utd and city who'd they rather have get 5th, obviously being pool usually we'd say utd but it would be funny pep's first season he doesn't get champs league!
22 Feb 2016 21:26:20
It's my job to watch players on a daily basis ed. I merely made a comment as I was interested in an opinion. I never post generally, just happy to read and observe. Wasn't looking for an argument, just an opinion to see if it was similar to my own.
{Ed001's Note - ok, well mine isn't obviously :-P
22 Feb 2016 21:58:58
half of you lot haven't a clue you know. lallana and lovren you seen them every 7 weeks on motd when theyd be top of the show for a decent performance. then you'd think to yourself he 's great him he was brill last week too. But it wasn't last week it 5 weeks ago. one good ish game every 5 / 6 weeks and you moan because we have no consistency! if you don't know football don't post and make yourself look a twonk! Idiots what next want Klopp out spose?
22 Feb 2016 23:03:26
😄 "Twonk".
I'm going to use that one.
22 Feb 2016 22:02:14
KMAN do you realize how many oxymorons, contradictions and innacuacies you have in your post. I'm not going to waste my time addressing them but I will question your assertion that Kloppo is not an 'elite' coach. So the fact that Bayern wanted him to take over from Pep doesent carry any weight with you? Because let's face it their last two coaches haven't been that elite. How many of you really thought Klopp would come in with the players at his disposal and make wine out of sewer water? Ridiculous expectations. Next season we can judge him until then let's carry on the Brenda bashing!