21 Jun 2015 18:19:23
Hi, I'm new to the site, been reading and following for a long time but this is my first post.
I wanted to ask the Eds if there was any truth to the rumours doing the rounds that FSG want out, and are in negotiations with a party to buy the club? Also if it is true that a big for 700m was placed and rejected a couple of months ago?
cheers
{Ed002's Note - None of it is true.}
22 Jun 2015 01:20:44
If they are serious about the club and want to continue to own it. Why the shambles now ?
Rodgers is out of his depth. They must know the results will be poor.
Was not Stoke's 6-1 a wake up call ?
Look at the confusion about buying players, loaning out players, young careers stifled. The list is endless.
Serious owners would have brought in a top class manager and team.
Then told him to get on with it.
How many comments here have complained about 'a laughing stock'?
Singh-is-king has made a logical comment.
{Ed002's Note - One of their major problems is having the worst fans in world football.}
22 Jun 2015 02:41:36
Well said Ed!
Red Rum
22 Jun 2015 02:46:47
Honestly Ed002 how can you call us the worst fans in world football ? Why do you find it necessary to belittle our supporters on a daily basis ? I fully understand that you must see plenty of spiteful, hate filled& ridiculous posts during your time spent editing but calling us the worst fans in world football is a pretty spiteful thing to come out with in my opinion.
Like most on here I appreciate your valuable information and insight into the inner working of the game but I must admit I find it hard to read your continuous belittling of our fan base. Is there any possibility that in the future you could tone down your replies in regard to making such generalised statements.
{Ed002's Note - I have never come across worse fans in all of world football - disproportionality high numbers loathe the owners, past players, present players, potential future players, the manager and any of the other staff they can find the names of. Long gone are the days of knowledgeable Liverpool fans. The majority of the posts are simply spewing hate over everyone associated with the club.}
22 Jun 2015 03:38:35
pure frustration by most fans at seeing a once great club being mis managed at a lot of levels.
22 Jun 2015 04:18:39
Liverpool fans are a desperate bunch . It's a unique situation as we are still a "big club"with fan expectancy . So therefore with us been a starved club from success in terms of the title for nearly 30 years , some fans are letting out their silly ramblings . I wouldn't call us the worst fans for a small% that comes here and throws their toys out with some petulant remarks .
22 Jun 2015 07:23:14
That's quite harsh Ed. The reason you probably feel we are the worst fans on this site is because the liverpool page is by far the most popular of all the clubs and therefore may have a higher number of negative posts than other clubs.
If we have 100 posts per hour and 10 are negative, compared to for example Tottenham who have 10 posts per hour but 2 are negative, it may seem like a lot of our posts are negative when in fact the percentage is probably on par with most clubs.
And I agree with previous posts, it's due to us being a big club which in recently as 2009 were thrashing Real 4-0 but now could only scrape past Ludogorets. From my view, I'm still not over the terrible reign of Hicks and Gillett and any anger I feel is still an indictment on them.
22 Jun 2015 07:54:14
Jaffer
It might not be nice to read but when you have people like good old yuri on here spouting what they do it's hardly a surprise. Its embarrassing reading some peoples thought on here at times
{Ed001's Note - people forget that large numbers of posts have to be deleted because they are just abuse, or asking people to abuse the owners as one complete tool was trying to post repeatedly over the last few days under the name 'always right'.}
22 Jun 2015 09:05:15
We are all allowed our opinions on here, as are they eds last I looked, I've been reading this site for 5 years, we have a lot of wonderful fans, but ed2 has a point with what she is saying. We have a serious amount of hate on this site in last couple years.
{Ed001's Note - sadly a lot of the vitriol seems to be aimed at the owners purely for the crime of being Americans. I wonder if the vitriol would lessen if the Ameristralia plan ever came to being?}
22 Jun 2015 09:21:00
It's comments like this, that make ed002 sound a bit foolish, this from a chelsea fan! I can name a lot worse in my experience! We have the best fans in the world, none football fans and supporters of other clubs know that, it is just a small minority of liverpool fans that visit this site and most of which, proberbly don't even go to matches! We don't feel the need to pay for banners to be flown over like a certain other club not to far away! Yet we have the worlds worst fans, think about that statement for a second, when you see fans at a certain turkish club etc!!!! Not a clever comment really!
{Ed002's Note - You are becoming the wanker you father should have been - it is not me that looks foolish it is cretins like you. You are typical brain dead fodder for the rest of the world.}
22 Jun 2015 10:03:36
I do feel a lot of our fans are very negative even before we kick a ball . We need to back the club and let's see where we go but it is catch up on the top 4 teams imo . Rogers might not be the right man but he is the manager for now so he has my full support . Onwards and upwards I hope
22 Jun 2015 11:09:26
kiela4,your typically deluded mate, fans at other clubs (manu,chelsea,arsenal,n,castle utd ect,ect) all think they are the most knowledgable fans and how can a non football fan decide to award liverpool fans the moniker as the best fans in the world that is just silly .this is why you see a lot of fans on here complaining regularly of being a laugh stock in the eyes of other fans,living in the past and making silly statements like yours doesn't help
22 Jun 2015 11:45:06
It has been getting worse and worse reading this page this past season, obviously we are not doing well and fans are unhappy. I do think the posts overall are very negative and the Rodgers out brigade is tiresome at this stage. There is hardly ever anything new in Yuri's posts they are all Rodgers this and Rodgers that. He is only one of many. Shez9k mentions the high traffic, I agree with that but 10 negative out of 100 I would think is more like 60 negative out of 100.
Some of the negative posts are well constructive and interesting to read, however the majority are so repetitive that it's painful reading for those who visit the site numerous times a day.
22 Jun 2015 11:48:05
I agree you get some numpty's on here, but as mentioned above, a lot of these people probably don't go to games or even know where liverpool is. During the run in when we came 2nd I think Liverpool fans were amongst the best in the world. I've never seen other fans line the streets to welcome home players to a game with Sunderland. Every fan supported the team unreservedly. There is not a chance in hell that LFC fans are the worst in world football. Maybe we expect too much, but I personally believe we should expect to be challenging for titles, given our history.
Plus, have you ever seen Newcastle fans when things are going wrong?
{Ed001's Note - so Liverpool fans are only great when things are going well? That is a sad indictment of them right there, though you have made yourself look a complete tool with your talk about 'probably don't go to games or even know where liverpool is'. What is it with people thinking they are better fans because they are lucky enough to be from Liverpool and be able to go to games? It is not even true, the biggest moaning pricks at the games tend to be Scousers sadly.}
22 Jun 2015 12:37:37
I think the frenzy that we're experiencing right now is down to the perception from many fans is that the club is being mismanaged from top to bottom. That perception, whether right, wrong or somewhere inbetween the two has in some part been contributed to by some of the valuable insight published on this website. We all want the best for the club and watching mistakes, whether at board level or on the pitch, being repeated over and over again is contributing to the general frenzy we see. If FSG people are crawling over these pages (I am sure they have people who do) I would recommend they heed the valuable input from the Eds! We're not asking for a revolution but just some common sense and measure.
22 Jun 2015 12:40:15
Some years ago, I watched a few games from the Shed at Chelsea.
Back in 1973 I was watching Chelsea vs Man Utd. George Best was being hacked to pieces by Harris and his goons.No comment from the Chelsea fans.
Bobby Charlton picked up the ball in his own half and began a mazing run at Chelsea. When he got thirty from goal he unleashed a thunderbolt. The next thing we knew was Bonetti looking at the ball in the back of his net.
"What a goal!"
Silence from the Shed. I was surrounded by manikins.
Chelsea fans have not changed.
Liverpool fans used to applaud great play from the opposition.
Great teams come and go. Remember the mighty Leeds ?
One day we might say: Remember the Mighty Reds ?
22 Jun 2015 13:19:41
For me the interesting thing is WHY there is negativity.
Honestly I don't care whether we are the worst fans in the world or not. Let's focus on something we actually can measure: how well the team does in the league.
Going back to the point, negativity usually can be traced back to something. And it isn't usually results. Results are a symptom of something else. If fans, or employees or soldiers or any given group believe in the leadership to get them where they want to be then they buy into the concept and remain positive.
Here's the issue. We see too many decisions we don't understand. Coaches sacked but the boss stays and no apparent plan to get new coaches. Dirty washing being aired in public. Talk of player unrest. Issues in the playing staff not being addressed. So fans are worried about what's going on.
Would shutting up and watching a decline make us better fans? At the end of the day we can't actually change much I suppose. But I'd rather be a rubbish fan of the best team in Europe than a delightfully charming sort of chap who doesn't mind not winning the league for 20 years.
I will support our team every second of every game until I draw my last breath.
But don't ask me to stay quiet when I see things are going wrong.
22 Jun 2015 13:22:51
Wow. This is depressing.
Dubred68 - I am with you, guy.
I have been a supporter of Rodgers but I am learning why he maybe needs to be moved on. I have very mixed views right now about the man - but I guess we will have to see what manifests on the pitch this season. I think anyone in the manager's seat would have an incredibly difficult job & time will tell how well he does it. I think only history will the judge.
I don't know if the contributors on this site represent a fair cross section of LFC supporters at large but it can make for unfortunate reading. In my circles, Spurs fans would seem to be the biggest moaners, but again that is only a cross section of my particular social circle and not the larger picture.
When the season starts I hope everyone gets behind the club - and manager - and owners - and players (including Sterling and Mario, IF they are still here) - and will put everything else aside at least until a reasonable amount of time has passed and we can see how the season is going to unfold.
It will take a good long while for the club to recover from almost going to the wall - and a lot of what happens behind the scenes is a mystery to me but I have to keep faith that it is all part of a larger plan that we are not privy to.
Perhaps the owners should include fans and give a (even dumbed down) broad sketch of future plans, but it can't be denied that the club is in a better position than it was a few years back. It's a cliché but you have to have solid foundations to build on & I think that is where the club is at right now. The glory days may come back in time, but if the club doesn't adjust on an administrative and executive level then the glory days will certainly not come back at all.
It's painful to see our ups and downs, but we've had a few ups to cherish at least. Look how long it took Chelsea and City to come to the fore after all that cash became available - should we expect to have greater success with fewer funds available?
I think we have to be patient, take the long view and hope the club recovers from it's foundations up. Maybe BR needs to go, maybe he will turn it around. Most LFC supporters in my circles believe he should have one more season.
As it appears he is staying I think we should get behind him and the club. That's not to say we can't ask reasonable questions of him in the meanwhile - and it's right that we do, and we should continue to but the trolling is wrong. We get enough abuse from other clubs' fans, we don't really need to do it to ourselves as well.
22 Jun 2015 13:27:42
For the person who commented about not being from Liverpool I do not know how this makes any difference, I am not from Liverpool and go to games and the worst fans are the ones from Liverpool who are still calling for Dalglish to be in charge or Benitez as soon as Rodgers had a few bad games. Criticising Gerrard during a game this season with my brother almost ended in us being called all sorts of expletives and then later in the season the same fans began to criticise him and because they're from Liverpool it was okay. Anyone who supports the club should be seen as the same so longs they are true fans who support the club through thick and thin not when the going gets tough. Although I am not Rodgers biggest fan I will still support him a long with any player until they are no longer at the club. There is nothing wrong with criticising players but do not trash them such as Danny Ings has been getting before he has even kicked a ball because his name is not something from Spain or abroad
22 Jun 2015 13:33:06
They "proberbly" go to more games than you did grade school. And if you'll remember, we had 2 banners flown over the stadium this past season to express certain opinions.
22 Jun 2015 13:43:47
I would say Naples fans are the worst I have ever experienced myself.
At least our abuse is only verbal ;)
{Ed001's Note - surely AS Roma are worse than Napoli?}
22 Jun 2015 14:15:52
That was particularly disappointing for me TJ, i honestly thought lfc fans would not stoop as low as man u fans but i was clearly wrong.
This lfc worst fans in the world debate is interesting, i can't and won't dispute the evidence the eds site regarding the vitriol. And judging by the posts that get through its hard to find a defending argument.
For me the issue is about frustration and fans sometimes find it hard to strike a balance between reason and the tripe being fed to them by the media.
Also a large proportion of the fan base was picked up after the champs league win and they are typically a younger and oft poorly educated fan base who find it difficult to express themselves adequately.
Having been a supporter of lfc for 30 plus years i am also guilty of airing extreme view points and if i have ever offended i am truly sorry but in my defence it has always come from a love of the club and a desire for it to succeed and do better. I guess some days i forget it is after all just a game of football and my life goes on whether we finish the league as champions or 6th after being demolished by stoke.
22 Jun 2015 14:19:32
Wow i'm surprised Ed002 hasn't stopped replying on your site with the abuse. don't take ed for granted. we utd fans know how it feels :')
22 Jun 2015 15:55:48
Best in the world! End of discussion!
22 Jun 2015 18:14:53
The point about not being from liverpool is an exaggeration. As a lot of people call chelsea fans plastic, I think every club has fans like that, who don't necessarily know a lot about football. Or have just chosen that particular club to support because they love a player that plays for them. I have friends that have done that, no problem with it at all, but that kind of fan from my experience can sometimes be quicker to turn on the team. If others' experiences says different then fair enough.
I actually love how many fans we have from outside liverpool I was recently in Asia, and saw hundreds of Thai people in liverpool merchandise. Very little United.
And yeah liverpool fans are great when things are going well, every fan is, but I'd say that season was at a level if not seen by other clubs before. I'd also argue liverpool fans have been great for my 20 years+ of supporting the club, in which time we've not won the league. I wasn't keen on being amongst the 'worst fans in world football' which is why I commented in the first place.
Sorry if any offence was caused with my earlier comment, tough to convey tone.
22 Jun 2015 21:08:20
Can't say I have ever come across Roma fans ed.
Naples where by far the worst I have come across.
{Ed001's Note - I just remember the stories after the 84 European Cup final, and seeing the scars on people who went. Animals.}
22 Jun 2015 11:31:13
That was a bit below the line ed002 about kiela4.
{Ed002's Note - Gosh, really?}
22 Jun 2015 12:37:54
I have to say in the real world, they are as good as any. Judging them on sites like this is not really fair. If you don't meet them in real life I guess this is the only way to judge. However if you were lucky enough to be the ground for the Liverpool v Chelsea ghost goal match final you may have had a different view. Also you can't the cultural aspect out of it , we are fairly confrontational and sarcastic as a tribe.
Dortmund fans, for me the best I have seen
22 Jun 2015 13:44:53
Jose mourinho himself has mocked the Chelsea fans. Let alone other people. And don't give the response of 'your a fool for making this about Chelsea'. No what I'm doing is retaliating to a generalised and irrational comment made ironically by a Chelsea fans. Fans that moan if they don't spend barrels of cash on players they don't even know. If you where a UTD fan of so the same thing. I'm just being the 'worst kind of supporters' by defending the club I love. Yeah you must be a women for sure.
{Ed002's Note - And you have to make it about Chelsea because that is all you are capable of doing. One half witted cretin after another. Really embarrassing.
If only someone could come up with something witty?}