13 Aug 2015 20:57:53
Hi guys, United fan here. I always go on other clubs sites and have a read about the goings on and opinions on it, regarding Rodgers if he was to achieve top 4 this season would you guys be happy for him to continue as manager then or would you want him replaced to kick on regardless?
Cheers guys.
13 Aug 2015 21:22:16
Some want him replaced even if he wins the league.
13 Aug 2015 21:38:34
I think top four is a must then if there is a coach/manager of a better calibre we need to get them in asap. For someone half decent I think we need top four . Least it will be good on brendans cv if and when we need to replace him.
13 Aug 2015 21:38:56
hard question! If we play good football and deserve to be in top four great! If we play poorly and somehow knick it off United, brilliant!
13 Aug 2015 21:56:05
Ron you're nearly as delusional as the man himself
13 Aug 2015 22:12:03
I think you've made some good signings and I feel us and you will be tight for 4th. Are you a supporter of Brendan then Ron? Seems like a split opinion on here, it's the same with LVG over on our page tbh. Who would you like in Walter?
13 Aug 2015 22:18:18
If we're there because we deserve to be thanks to playing well, then that's one scenario, if it's because we were the moderately best of a bad bunch and still got ejected from Europa and both cups early going, then that's a different one.
13 Aug 2015 23:44:38
It's a top four squad. Rodgers is not a top four manager. Even if he wins the league? And the odds on that?
14 Aug 2015 00:40:35
Romn, you're becoming boring to a fault.
14 Aug 2015 02:09:27
@Welsh Red Devil.
I'm a believer in Rodgers and my previous posts will show I always have been. He's made mistakes no doubt, I'm not one eyed and I accept he has his faults. He has a tendency to say stupid things and favour players and alienate others, however I do believe he is a very good coach and I believe he will learn from his mistakes. He's certainly young enough to learn and with the support of the fans and coaches, I'm hoping we stick by him.
What do you think of LVG?
14 Aug 2015 04:12:51
Smpl, he is not learning a thing and his disgraceful treatment of Lucas, Sahko, Ilori as well as his shambolic tactics vs Stoke which won't work vs better teams, prove that. I hope for all our sakes he does because this is his very last chance
14 Aug 2015 06:46:33
Welsh Red Devil: I'm a supporter of Liverpool football club which includes all it's employees. If Rodgers is the manager, he gets my support, just like the striker, the keeper etc etc.
Exceptions would be any discrimination (Suarez), illegal actions or anyone disrespecting the club or its fans (Mascherano, Sakho, Sterling are recent examples).
I'm in the old school of football support. I believe, as Shankly did, we all need to pull in the same direction to be successful from the star striker, to the youth team subs, to chief exec to the cleaners. Without unity you have nothing.
{Ed001's Note - did you continue to show support to Hodgson then? If the fans hadn't turned on him, he would have been there a lot longer.}
14 Aug 2015 07:01:19
Di-Matteo was sacked 6 months after winning the CL. I would never be a fan of BR simply he doesn't know the game. That line up against stoke city summed up, still trying to experiment.
He has very little knowledge in the game and past three years proves, he learned nothing.
With 300 mill, I wouldn't do any worse than BR.
14 Aug 2015 07:09:26
Another example scenario: let's say the temperature in hell reached -1 and Gary Neville took over as LFC manager. Would I like him? No. Would I support him as LFC manager? Absolutely 100% for the duration of his contract. The reason is you can't have a successful team without a successful manager so I will give them all the support and encouragement I can.
Many forget one of United's most famous and successful managers played for LFC. Matt Busby. It didn't stop United fans supporting him as their manager.
14 Aug 2015 07:21:17
Ed001: the moment Hodgson criticised the supporters publicly was the moment he lost my support. Think it was the Northampton game. You can't have a manager criticising the fans, simple as that.
{Ed001's Note - so you are saying it is ok to pick and choose now? Yet constantly you are on here harping about others who choose other reasons to lose faith in the manager. It's nice that you have faith, but it is wasted on a clueless cretin who is running our club into the ground. That doesn't mean I want us to lose, I want him to prove me wrong, but he won't as he was a huge mistake. Until he starts acting with the club's best interests at heart with his decisions, I will continue to criticise. Choosing the backroom team was a good thing, but choosing to stay himself was a bad thing.}
14 Aug 2015 08:00:23
I've already said that after the stoke 6-1 joke I lost all my remaining faith that rodgers could get this club back into the CL, and I hate watching us throw away another season when you could see from the first game that he is still addicted to his old philosophy and tactics.
If he got top four then yes, I would regain some faith in his abilities because it won't be an easy thing to do this year- last year was the easier year to make CL, with utd still in transition.
But he won't do it- he just wont.
He is so attached to his philosophy that asking him to open his mind is like asking a committed conservative voter to suddenly believe in labour values.
There is a very good coach in there, because you can see he has had a couple of really great runs, but I think like most fundamentalist believers in an idea, he has become emotionally attached to his theories to the point that he cannot see how poor the returns are for using those theories in practice.
It will take a major trauma to make him rethink his ideas from the ground up, and my worry is that hard learning process he needs will be at the expense of lfcs season.
14 Aug 2015 08:19:21
Ron I don't see how anyone can blindly follow someone so obviously out of his depth and bad for LFC, he is dragging the club down and an utter embarrassment. If you want Rodgers in you must either want Liverpool to fail or not be bothered either way. As for disrespecting the club Rodgers is disrespecting long serving players such as Lucas which is just as bad. I can't believe you have raised Sakho there, he gives everything on the pitch and supports charities off the pitch in his spare time. What does Rodgers do? Collects rent from his hundreds of properties when he should be concentrating on lfc and watching the academy teams.
14 Aug 2015 08:21:36
Ron, this "I support Liverpool, so I support the manager" is nonsense. I support Liverpool and have done for 42 years, but if the manager is picking the wrong team, playing the wrong system or buying the wrong players then you can't just close your eyes and say nothing just because he's "our manager." I'm not saying that's the case for this season as we're only one game into it, but last season was totally unacceptable, was it not?
If, like you say you are, that you are a supporter of Liverpool football club, then wanting what's best for your club regardless of who is in charge is the only priority. And if by some miracle, he does win us the league title, which after spending over 300 million pounds over three or four seasons, which might be expected by the powers that be, then I would be made up for "us" not him, but us as club.
I've been lucky enough to celebrate us winning leagues and European cups, FA cups, League cups, Super cups all the way since our last cup success in 2011. The pure ecstasy you feel when you win something is probably right up there with great sex, dare I say even better. From the first cup I've celebrated us winning to the last one, I can honestly say the feeling has never changed.
What I'm trying to say is that supporting your team is not about who is in the dug out, or who is on the pitch because they are just transient employees of the club. I don't love Liverpool football club any less because Shankly or Paisley are no longer our managers, that Dalglish, Rush, Fowler, Barnes, Beardsley, Souness, Hansen, Gerrard or Suarez no longer play for us. No matter who is at our great club I will always love Liverpool FC. For me supporting your team is wanting the best for it, the best managers, the best players and the best owners, oh and tea ladies too.
Ron, if we blindly just supported our club then Hicks and Gillette would still be the owners.
14 Aug 2015 08:21:39
support, and blind support is different.
i want the best for liverpool, even if that means going against the people in the club.
14 Aug 2015 09:43:10
To add my 10 cents I support Rodgers because I think he has the potential to be an excellent manager.
I disagree entirely that he's incompetent or out of his depth or that his good form is a product of luck or circumstance beyond his control.
I'm sceptical that he's behaved badly with players, it's not surprising that players he's decided don't meet his standards don't like him. Having said that there's no smoke without fire so the handling his fringe players is something he should improve on going forward.
I do agree that this is a defining season for him, he has to show that 14/15 was the exception and not 13/14. I'm cautious about demanding top 4 as there's no current top 4 team that on paper we should overtake but he certainly needs to be more competitive and to cut out the drops in form the team suffered at the beginning and end of last season. If we get 75 points and come 5th I'll still support him, if there's too big a gap between us and the top 4 then I'll concede it hasn't worked out.
{Ed001's Note - what about 12/13? We were dross then too....}
14 Aug 2015 10:18:47
get rid regardless
14 Aug 2015 10:25:32
Smplfc; the jury is still very much out on LVG over on our page and there is a few like Ron with BR who just want to get behind the manager because he is united manager, fair enough, my personal take on LVG is that he obviously has a good CV, he had to pick up after the disastrous moyes year and we have improved results wise but under LVG our football is pretty dull to watch and has a tendency to play players out of positin ie, mata, Memphis and our best player Herrera can't even seem to buy a game at times. So I like him in his personality but like you guys I don't want to just see us scraping for Europe I want us to compete for titles and I'm not sure with this brand of football we will, time will tell and I hope he proves me wrong, we've spent a lot of money with no obvious signs of improvement on the pitch so I think it's an important year for LVG in the eyes of us fans, if it's more of the same I guess his position will be called into question for sure.
14 Aug 2015 10:42:09
Ed 01, we were but 12/13 was a significant improvement on 11/12 and our form improved steadily over the course of the season which suggests 12/13 was a bedding in year and not representative of a normal Rodgers team.
{Ed001's Note - how was it a significant improvement? It was awful and most people wanted Rodgers gone at the end of that season, so not sure why you are suggesting it was some vast improvement. We were better under Dalglish until Lucas got injured, than we were in 12/13. I think you have rose tinted glasses on mate, because Rodgers in no way improved the performances in that particular season.}
14 Aug 2015 11:18:54
There are people on here with no qualifications in coaching and no experience of working in professional football who say Rodgers is "out of his depth", "picking the wrong team" and they have the temerity to call him "arrogant".
That is the epitome of hypocrisy.
{Ed001's Note - how so? Are you trying to suggest that only those with coaching badges can judge how well a coach is doing? That is just plain idiotic. The coaching badges were set up in England by people who never had any badges. The coaching courses were set up by people without any badges. In fact two of the main people involved were not even coaches. So why does it take a qualified coach to be able to judge a coach's ability? Does that mean only someone else with a website can criticise me on things I do on here? Of course not. Some of your attempts to excuse the bumbling one's inadequacies are just bizarre. Calling an arrogant man arrogant doesn't require arrogance to do so, Rodgers is clearly arrogant to have the self belief he has. The only issue is whether that arrogance and self belief is misplaced or not, not whether he has it or not.}
14 Aug 2015 11:34:27
52 points to 61, I'd call that an improvement. 25 points first half of the season to 36 second half, i'd call that an improvement.
I do have rose-tinted specs Ed1 but equally you're over-critical.
{Ed001's Note - yeah maybe, but I didn't see any cup finals under Rodgers in that season.}
14 Aug 2015 12:54:34
I regularly argue with a mate about rodgers on these very issues.
I wouldn't know a good coach from a bad coach, but the bottom line on that and all the other issues is what I can see and understand- and that is the results and the peformances on the pitch- and even that's difficult because its been a mixture of very good and utter garbage.
Rodgers had a great run last season after xmas, and the season before he had an even better run with the help of the two best strikers around, both being fit.
But those runs aside, the performances and results have been mostly very poor- in fact I think it was almost relegation form after the utd defeat last season that ended the good run.
I reckon my mate loves being devils advocate, and would argue a case for anything just for the sport of trying to win- which is a very annoying habit.
So he goes on about how we lost suarez, and what a great run we had until utd, etc etc. He even tried to defend the big spending on sakho then lovren for the same position, and ilori never even getting a league start.
There will be people like my mate who will always find a way of making a case to defend rodgers even if we finish 15th in the league, but for me- like with hodgson- there has to come a point when you call time regardless of excuses, because the bottom line results are just not coming.
For me personally, that turning point was the 6-1 stoke defeat. I can see how a team might lose 6-1 to barca or real, but 6-1 to an average stoke side will never be acceptable and it cannot be defended in any way- and the buck for that stops with br.
14 Aug 2015 13:34:57
I don't really see how anyone can blame Rodgers for running the club into the ground Ed. There was ample opportunity to get rid but the owners or whoever they employ to make these decisions chose not to. Not to mention employing him in the first place. Rodgers at the end of the day is there to do a job, badly, i agree but surely we should be looking further up the pecking order if we are looking to blame someone for the goings on at LFC.
14 Aug 2015 17:41:59
Gary neville? What planet are you on Ron?
14 Aug 2015 18:56:11
I am currently doing my coaching badges. I've met people from all walks of life doing them certainly you don't have to have badges though to be knowledgeable about the game,I've met some abolute dipsticks with the badges(including uefa),and some people just starting out,who clearly know more,they just never bothered making it their life getting the badges early. Especially some coaches of simple junior teams were much better at understanding methods,drills,necessity for warmups etc etc than a current coach learning it all at a decent club (his daddy got him into)
16 Aug 2015 14:17:21
Ron, you are indeed extraordinary in your way of defending BR with such contradictory, fundamentally dishonest and disingenuous posts. I don't know who you are but based on these your comments, I wouldn't trust you with anything because frankly, you are one "extraordinary" individual.