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02 Oct 2017 19:19:57
Was Alex Ferguson wrong to be worried for Man United when Klopp took over at LFC? I think our manager may have realised by now that the EPL is different from the German league. It's more physical and intense. Guardiola, who managed in Germany, seems to have learnt and adapted quickly. I know people will say he has more money at his disposal to buy players. But maybe he's also cleverer and more flexible as opposed to our Klopp, who seems to be stubborn and less flexible. Only time will tell but I don't think Klopp has too much time.

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02 Oct 2017 19:51:43
Why does Klopp not have too much time? Are we bottom of the League, out of the CL?

Funny how Guardiola was not more clever than Klopp last season?

Ask yourself this, would Guardiola have worked wonders if he took over LFC when Klopp did?

Compare the City squad Guardiola took over to that of the one Klopp had to deal with.

And whether Klopp said he can win the League or whatever he did to FSG, many managers have said daft things. Can you imagine Rodgers rambling off with his 180 page dossier in his hands when FSG interviewed him. I would loved to have been on a fly on the wall that day!

02 Oct 2017 20:08:49
Max, so how long must the fans here wait for trophy?

02 Oct 2017 20:10:19
He would not have worked wonders but he would have addressed our obvious problems. And don't tell me he tried to sign Van Dijk. Given the bad defenders we have, there were other alternatives.

02 Oct 2017 20:14:07
Sir Alex also wanted David Moyes to manage United. And had an eye on Owen Coyle at one point. So I wouldn't worry too much about that.

{Ed025's Note - well said sydney..

02 Oct 2017 20:23:27
For me it's more about what Klopp has signed for us to fix our problems. Karius (hardly plays), Matip (plays but not good enough), Roberston (can't get into the team), Klavan (not good enough can't get into the team), Caulker (no words to describe that signing) and to top it all off we signed Ox for 40 mill in the summer and it's clear to everyone he's not good enough to get into the starting 11 and it appears Klopp also feels the same way. I really like Klopp but some of his decisions in the transfer market and then team selection is dumbfounding. This is not a call for Klopps head but the realisation that Klopp has brought a lot of these problems onto himself.

02 Oct 2017 20:20:11
Pep spent over £200m this season on defence alone after spending another £100m on defence in the last 3 years and spends millions each week on the wages for those players klopp spent in transfer fees 0 Matip, 5 klavan, 8 robbo and 6 Karius plus a couple on the caulker loan. BR spent 15 clyne, 12 moreno, 20 lovren. Obviously BR spent loads more on players gone like Sakho and ilori but klopp can’t use them because he sold them. City have spent more on their 2 GKs than we have on our whole defence.

{Ed002's Note - We get it. Many Liverpool fans are only interested in money and marquee signings - it doesn't matter who as long as he is really expensive. Klopp doesn't really know what he is doing with the defence - I appreciate many of the Liverpool fans see him as the greatest manager in the world in which case it must be a surprise to see him constantly making errors in the transfer market, acting so unprofessionally, the lies, the attempts to cheat the disruption to players registered to other clubs? The cheerful clown has been replaced by the angry clown now. The club need to get someone in to help him - a good quality coach who can instill discipline in the defence and get them working together. Else this will drag on. The angry clown wants complete control and somehow either can't see, or even worse, can't address the problem.}

02 Oct 2017 20:25:27
Klopp gets us into the Champions League for only the second time in eight years and we're talking about him not having much time 7 league games later?

I'm not going to sit here and pretend Klopp is perfect (cos he isn't) and hasn't made mistakes (cos he has), but it's nowhere near time to be talking about sacking him or him 'not having too much time'.

Let's take this to it's logical conclusion. We sack Klopp. Write off the rest of the season as 'transition', cos we haven't had enough of 'transition' seasons in the last decade. Then hope to build next season and get into the CL again so we can have a platform to challenge for the league and compete regularly in Europe blah blah. What happens if we don't make the CL though? What happens if newguy finishes 5th in his first full season instead of 4th? Do we sack him and start all over again? Is it a case that we sack a manager every 2 years unless he wins the league in that time?

This isn't like Rodgers who had slightly more than a season of tactical bumbling and confusion, at least three or four changes in formation, players frequently changing roles (Hendo at right wingback one game, attack midfield the next), no attacking outlet and dire, slow, possession for possession's sake football even when we were winning. This is a poor start to the season, it's well premature to be talking about changing the manager.

{Ed025's Note - i totally agree SR, and very well said sir..

02 Oct 2017 20:31:31
It is not like Guardiola has addressed the CB situation at City? Apart from Kompany, the rest of their CB's are woeful.

Klopp had far more to do about trying to fix the Liverpool squad compared to Guardiola. Guardiola this past summer also did not have to worry about making space in their squad as they had a whole host of 1st team players on mega wages who's contracts had run out.

Believe you me, Guardiola would have been laughing at FSG if they had approached him about taking over at LFC when Rodgers was given the boot. Guardiola would not have touched the Liverpool squad with a barge pole, that and the fact that we have been struggling for over two decades.

Be happy we actually managed to get a manager who had one silverware.

02 Oct 2017 20:42:42
Sorry, won silverware :-)

02 Oct 2017 20:44:56
Here's my honest answer:
Klopp had a great system at Dortmund. The problem with modern day football is every club has access to every match in high definition and every club has an army of analysts assessing team's strengths and weaknesses.
Systems get "worked out". Managers get worked out. A world class manager has to continuously improve his team and address their weaknesses, they also have to be versatile and adapt to new challenges.
I think Klopp is a good manager, but he hasn't addressed our weaknesses in the summer and that has led to the team standing still whilst others get better. Whether it be training drills or new signings our defence has not improved in the last 12 months and that means other teams are accelerating away from us.
If VVD was a no-goer he should have had a contingency plan. Whether that was a tactical tweak with a DM or a new centre back there should have been some way of making the team less vulnerable. AOC is a signing I simply cannot fathom. He does nothing to address any area of weakness yet he is our record signing.

02 Oct 2017 20:47:40
Unfortunately this game we know and love is all about money, it has need since the birth of the Premier league 92/ 93.

02 Oct 2017 20:44:56
Here's my honest answer:
Klopp had a great system at Dortmund. The problem with modern day football is every club has access to every match in high definition and every club has an army of analysts assessing team's strengths and weaknesses.
Systems get "worked out". Managers get worked out. A world class manager has to continuously improve his team and address their weaknesses, they also have to be versatile and adapt to new challenges.
I think Klopp is a good manager, but he hasn't addressed our weaknesses in the summer and that has led to the team standing still whilst others get better. Whether it be training drills or new signings our defence has not improved in the last 12 months and that means other teams are accelerating away from us.
If VVD was a no-goer he should have had a contingency plan. Whether that was a tactical tweak with a DM or a new centre back there should have been some way of making the team less vulnerable. AOC is a signing I simply cannot fathom. He does nothing to address any area of weakness yet he is our record signing.

02 Oct 2017 21:07:11
Have to agree with Ed002, watched the Klopp interviews yesterday and he was very stressed. It was only a matter of time before the clown act perished. He is clearly rattled and the press are jumping all over it. It's easy picking for the reporters at the moment. No harm in asking for help. Sir Alex had plenty of help. Carlos Queiros, Mike Phelan etc. I think a different approach is needed now. Things are not great at the moment guys. I wouldn't swap manager, but maybe some help would give the players a lift.

02 Oct 2017 21:55:34
Ron
Klopp also had great players at Dortmund and his system started to crumble when he sold those players to Bayern and failed to replace them! Great players are needed to succeed a good system edpecially the one we are playing!

02 Oct 2017 21:56:54
RELAX

Another 26 years 😄😄. Relax.

{Ed025's Note - thats not nice about your own team harry..

02 Oct 2017 22:12:39
He wanted to hear the truth 😄😄😄. This year is good as gone! Next year I expect Chelsea to step up or City if they loose to UTD. This cycle will continue! It’s been 10 years Arsenal has a sniff at the title. What has Top 4 given them other than the Emirates Stadium?

02 Oct 2017 23:39:11
Man city had a far better squad when Pep took charge. Klopp inherited a weak squad with no depth and a poor defence.

Disappointed that he seems unable to address this but Pep really did have far more quality and depth within the squad. So it's an unfair comparison.

02 Oct 2017 23:39:56
Ffs give it a rest Harry, all is not rosy in the garden at the moment, but the squads improving and will continue to do so, many more chances created than given up, what do you want a new manager and 4/ 5 new players.
It's not that easy.

Bin Mings, use either of the backups, Gomez centre, TAA rb, rotate the midfield if needed (yes it's needed after Sundays shambles) there's enough quality in the squad.

03 Oct 2017 07:24:31
Something Red, great post mate!

02 Oct 2017 22:45:05
Wonder would Steve Clarke have any interest in being a coach again, or is he only interested in being a manager.

{Ed002's Note - Klopp doesn't want help.}

03 Oct 2017 08:35:29
Ok i think people protect Klopp with everything they got on here. Why can't you just admit he is mediocre manager at best, who has no idea what his best first team or best formation is? he is not concerned with defense at all and he just wants to play football ( or what he calls it) and won't change and so won't LFC;s luck.
good teams area about good recruitment and he has already had two summer windows to address faults but he hasn't been able to.
Now that attack is flopping in front of goal his creds are being questioned and people are just putting any thing they can to defend the man.
he is an average coach/ manager he hasn't showed anything but at LFC in 2 years. Add to it the hoopla of tapping up and other behind door mishaps, you'd say he isn't even smart.
So much changing and chopping and rotating tells you he has no idea who is his best bet in the team and 10 games all over the season that is not a good sign.
he has definitely wasted funds and that further hurts his reputation.

03 Oct 2017 09:50:55
Spot on, Something Red. Great post. Klopp's detractors sound petulant children who cos he did not win the PL in his first season and is struggling at the start of this one (two losses in all comps this season. Oh the horror! ), they are complaining as if BR won the PL in his 3 plus yrs here or Rafa won the PL in his 6 years here. Abject nonsense. Pepand Mou spent a full fortune last season and Pep finished 3 points ahead of us and Utd finished 5 points behind us. Did you hear the fans calling for their heads?
Go ahead and sack Klopp and let me know who will take over and when he starts struggling again after 2 years cos he will, sack him too and then after a century of doing that nonsense, let me know if LFC have won the PL yet with that pathetic knee jerk policy.

Akshit, no one is protecting Klopp from anything simply cos we disagree with the knee jerk moaners out there who refuse to see the big picture. The man is clearly struggling and some things he is doing are not working, that much is clear. He made mistakes. Who has not? Rafa made tonnes of them too as that is what being human being means.

He is frustrated. New Flash: Who is not? There are things he can do right now like focus on a set 11 and go with them for a few games to foster more cohesion, bench the likes of Wiji, Migs and Studge cos they are not doing it currently, our strikers and mids gel together to create clearer chances and improve the conversion rate and so on. These are ideas that can be explored and the hope is he is successful in what he does do as that means we are successful as a club EXCEPT of course, you don't care about any of that and are just interested in moaning and being right.

03 Oct 2017 10:25:17
What is this “ Bigger picture. ”
Our Picture depends on incomes and revenues which means you have to be inside Top4 at a minimum for any kind of argument. Trophy is a long way from today I can’t see us finishinng ahead of two Manchester clubs as twonlondon clubs!
This clubs doesn’t run on Kerosine or Bensin! It’s runs on money, money comes from Success something Klopp is not even close to 10 km’s!
Success is measure by achievements everywhere in the world except liveroool ofcourse!

03 Oct 2017 10:41:01
I actually think Harry is a subtle version of Sydney. A very patient manc doing a long term wind up of Liverpool fans.

03 Oct 2017 12:45:50
I think we have been looking at the bigger picture for far too long and if klopp doesn't deliver this season i think we should look for real alternatives that will get us there.
and this is no knee jerk reaction i have maintained from day 1 i will only rate Klopp once he wins us some silverware.
we bottled against Sevilla any good manager would have won that game with the start we had and that's the problem under klopp we bottle up at crucial moments. I don't want to see a manager getting frustrated over nothing. He hasn't tried anything new and he is frustrated over repeat mistakes.
I made my mind on what i saw in the newcastle game, Klopp was barking like a mad dog, angry and what not and the team didn't respond to it at all. That tells me what i need to know. its not knee jerk its what i saw. By the end of season if not before he will loose this LFC dressing room.

03 Oct 2017 12:59:37
Spot on, Zed. I almost don't respond to any of his convoluted posts anymore cos you never really know what side he's on as he is very successful at posting a whole lot and saying nothing all at the same time. Oh, I take that back. He's consistent on "Klopp is wrong and can do nothing right" bla, bla, bla. YAWN!

03 Oct 2017 13:08:05
Akshit, your opinions and projections are not facts so stop projecting them as such. You nor I know nothing about what will happen so enough with the "he will do this, do that or be sacked or not" crap cos you nor I don't know that for a fact. The Newcastle game is just one where the players are low on confidence and are overthinking things in the final third hence, fluffing their lines. That much is clear. If you wanna moan about that and start projecting the future based on that then by all means, have at it. I disagree and that that is that. I would propose that you offer solutions BUT you are clearly interested in moaning and moaning so go ahead. I guess when you moan, our strikers will play better. NOT!







 

 

 
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