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03 May 2017 20:49:09
Ed01. With mingolets recent upturn in form does klopp still see karius as number 1 next year or has his opinion changed?

{Ed001's Note - last I heard he was open to having his mind changed. I have not heard anything since, but I doubt anything has changed. Migs has the jersey so long as he plays well.}

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03 May 2017 21:52:39
What are everyone's views on our goalkeeping situation?

I don't like to be down on any player we have, but despite the fact that he has improved, I'm not overly impressed with Migs. He gets across his line sharply enough and isn't dropping or flapping at crosses anymore. Great. But that to me is the bare minimum that should be expected of a Premier League keeper. He's still poor with his feet and doesn't make saves that aren't more or less at him. He's not going to ever make match defining saves and actively win us points the way De Gea has for United, or Courtios could if Chelsea needed him to. At least the fact that he is more composed off crosses that he's ever been means that we're actually improving our goalkeepers through training for the first time in about 8 years.

Karius has much more potential, but I think Klopp's put himself in a difficult situation by not restoring Karius to the first team when he had the opportunity in late Jan or early Feb. Karius is now effectively still untested in the Premier League, so putting him back in at the start of next season, as is the assumed intention, is a risk. Training and pre-season isn't the same animal as Premier League football every week.

03 May 2017 22:22:28
I like Karius much more than Mignolet - in his initial entry he showcased a proactive style with better speed and distribution, and a similar level of shotstopping; also, he has more room for development in organizing the defense.

However, since his return ol boy Simon has improved greatly. Much as I loath to say it, he has to keep his starting berth as long as he is showing steeliness, determination and concentration.

03 May 2017 22:35:53
He's definitely improved lately. One thing he still needs to improve on is his distribution as it is generally pretty poor.

03 May 2017 23:05:02
Ive slated him in the past but i really don't see right now whose doing a massively better job in the prem, even his kicking is better than it was which shows he's working hard, I think fair play and how anyone can say Karius is better this far is a mystery as we've barely seen him!

04 May 2017 00:07:51
Karius didn't really have a long enough run in the team.

He broke his hand in preseason and that set him back.

His presence has definitely given Migs a wake up call.

If we could improve the defence then that would help each keeper greatly.

04 May 2017 06:58:51
Who knows what a retcon is? Klopp always knew that Mignolet had the potential to be the keeper we needed but knew he needed motivation. He found a cheep goalkeeper from Germany who he could pretend was awesome and was going to take the number one shirt. Mignolet responded just as expected and Liverpool have now got a good goalkeeper without paying a huge transfer fee. The whole situation shows Klopp's genius.

{Ed025's Note - klopp does not rate migs putney and karius will be the number 1 next season, it is not a case of genius mate more a get away with murder scenario,,

04 May 2017 07:27:04
I dunno ed025, if you consider mignolet has been a keeper for the last 15 odd years (including youth) and it's only now under klopp he's actually learnt how to catch, klopp must be some sort of genius.

{Ed025's Note - hes a really good shot stopper ruthless and does make some outstanding saves, but he does not command his area and his distribution is still very poor mate, an upgrade is needed but i dont think karius is the answer at this stage..

04 May 2017 11:13:14
Considering age Mignolet's current best is pretty much where he is going to be. If Karius can get to that level now he has more room to improve. Neither is absolute top class but that is a very narrow band and no one in that band is moving to LFC. So either those guys develop to a higher level or we find a way between them and defensive improvement to win things with those two. No point buying in guys who are probably never going to be noticeably better than them.

04 May 2017 13:38:52
I just want to give credit to Mignolet and the coaching team for his improvement, which deserves recognition. Some very important saves recently.

04 May 2017 11:49:28
Ed25, it was more a joke that we're going to pretend that pushing migs on was Klopp's plan all along. Hence the bit about a retcon :)

{Ed025's Note - my bad then mate cheers..

04 May 2017 17:39:32
Karius is a myth. Nobody has seen him do anything yet, but blind-faith people want to replace a keeper who saved 4 points for us against Stoke and West Bromwich with a keeper who took us from level with Chelsea to 8 points behind in the blink of an eye.

There was a reason he broke his hand - he punched his own defenders head, which shows how far his hands were from the ball. If Karius starts next season as No 1, we will be out of the title race by October.

The best case scenario for Karius would be for Mignolet to get injured and he could be put in without any pressure. Maybe, just maybe he would be able to justify everybody's faith in him.

{Ed025's Note - one of your own players getting injured can never be seen as a best case scenario mate, klopp will start the season with karius as number 1 so deal with it..

04 May 2017 17:51:24
No chance Ed25. I'll bet you a tenner he doesn't.

I wouldn't wish injury on any player and never meant it like that. What I meant was that, if Karius came in due to an injury, he would be under less pressure than if Klopp dropped a goalkeeper who was playing well to accommodate him.

Incidentally, can you explain what you have seen in Karius to rate him so highly?

{Ed025's Note - of course injuries may come in to play but barring that you have yourself a bet, lets say the loser donates £10 to either alder hey or claire house, i dont rate karius at all mate but the man who counts does and promises have been made..

04 May 2017 18:22:08
That's a good deal Ed. If LK starts, my tenner goes straight to Claire House.

I just want to clarify that I have absolutely nothing against Karius and hope he goes on to have a long and successful career with Liverpool. My only gripe is against some of the posters on here who seem mesmerised by him when he has shown virtually nothing yet.

As for Klopp's promise, we can ask Grujic about that, even allowing for his injuries.

{Ed025's Note - fair point kloppometor, mine will go to claire house as well if by some divine intervention i am wrong mate.. :)

04 May 2017 22:35:06
If we don't see the player on the park, then all we have to off is the lads attitude.
I havnt heard one grumble, moan in papers about not playing, watch a replay of Emre wonder strike and who's one of the first to be celebrating with him? Karius. I know we didn't buy a cheerleader, for me that tells me his attitude seems on point, which is as good a place as any to push on from.
Whether he goes on to better things with us remains to be seen and we all know what we hope happens, if only life was like that.

{Ed025's Note - some good points there mate..



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