14 Sep 2017 00:26:32
Was trying really hard to keep to myself and say nothing about tonight but I've read too much crap about klopp to keep quiet any longer. Klopp is not at fault. He may be at fault for not buying better but he may not be as we can't all see behind the scenes. The fact of the matter is our defenders are useless. Maybe his team selection wasn't the best but people went mad about klavan against city so lovren had to come in. Robertson may have been able to play but for anyone asking for milner he doesn't offer what moreno does going forward and with him we may not have scored that first goal (may not have conceded the first either mind you) .
Anyway the fact of the matter is its not klopp fault that "professional footballers" can't do their basic job. Take gomez out of this as he's young and is being played out of position and played alongside garbage anyway. Matip, lovren and moreno are simply terrible, terrible footballers and no matter how long u coach them (and of course they are coaching, klopp and the staff believe it or not are not idiots and can see the problems) they are just not good players. They wudnt make it into teams in the bottom half of the premiership because those teams are actually well organised and wudnt stand for those sun standard performances. Lovren and Matip can't clear simple balls, they can't handle strikers with movement, pace or strength. What are their strengths meant to be? It isn't reading the game or communication either it's an absolute joke and they should be ashamed to collect their wage and put their manager in the firing line and allow him to take criticism. Surely there are defenders in the youth teams that could play instead of them.
Ugh sorry just sick of klopp getting the blame and watching those guys "perform" each week.
14 Sep 2017 05:12:27
The manager is always responsible for results.
14 Sep 2017 05:25:49
It was Klopp that gave Lovren a new contract even after all his brain farts on the pitch. It was Klopp that bought Matip and Klavan. If not Klopp, then where do u expect the blame to be placed? Who was so adamant on VVD (even after the tapping up fiasco) that no alternatives were lined up?
Accept it mate, Klopp got it wrong, very wrong this summer. The recruitment was a shambles and our defense gets worse with each game. The blame lies solely at the manager's feet.
Or will u feel better if we blame the tea lady or groundsman for the team's failings?
14 Sep 2017 07:12:53
I agree that our defensive set up is not very good, but its not Klopps fault that defenders can't hit a ball coming straight at them, or defenders that are just ball watching and has no awereness at all. Yes he should habe bought in atleast a cb, but its not just snapping your fingers and a new player arrives. Players have to be able to do basic stuff on order to win matches.
14 Sep 2017 07:01:44
Two years after he arrived this is now Klopp's team. Just as he gets praise when the team plays well he gets criticism when it plays badly. As Ron says this is his responsibility. If the defenders aren't good enough then it's his job to tweak the tactics to give them more protection. I admire his commitment to his philosophy but you've got to be able to compromise when things aren't working.
{Ed025's Note - your right about that putney and defensively he has to improve, but the supporters need to get real and realize that they will not conquer all thats put before them and that they dont have a divine right to win every game, they are still a work in progress and im sure klopp knows his failings and wants to address them but it will take time and a bit of patience, i think you are going the right way and have a very good manager who given time will get it right, but there are a lot of other teams who are stronger im afraid mate..
14 Sep 2017 08:16:48
Brilliant post, Ed. Those saying "Klopp out" should make an offer FSG can't refuse, buy the club and then sack and sign whoever they want. If not, then keep quiet and allow the rest of us to have real debates on the issues.
Ed01 has said that Klopp wants to change all the CB's and is working on making them better on the pitch. Now did he make a mistake extending the contracts of Migs and Lovren? Absolutely as I would have binned Migs and kept Lovren as third choice. Matip is regressing, big time as well. You cannot buy a new back line in one window like City is doing dopping 300m on CB's and even they are still crap at the back. We have to stop thinking we are bigger and better than we are. WE ARE NOT.
We are a team that is slowly improving and hiccups will happen along the way. Look at Spurs. Poch has been there for 4 seasons now and STILL has not won a thing YET many rate him better than Klopp, who he can't even score a goal against. That is the LFC fan of today as well. The grass is always greener on the other side. GET A GRIP! .
We will be fine esp. if our strikers are on form cos had they been last night, we would not be wasting our time talking about this. We just have to keep working hard and moving forward until we get to where we want to get to.
{Ed025's Note - given time im sure klopp will get it right bingo..