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24 Oct 2017 11:35:32
I’d like to know what your opinions are regarding Ben Woodbourne. I know he’s young and had t had a great deal of first team but do you think he’s that talented and has the ability to stay in a top team? What’s your impression?

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24 Oct 2017 11:44:31
Very talented and Coutinho like in terms of being a playmaker, but also can play on the wings and a natural goal scorer. I suspect his best position long term will be in the Lallana position (ie. attacking mid) . Seems to always be at the heart of a lot of the dangerous moves for the u23’s (and wales) which for his age is impressive.

I think if he continues his trajectory he should be starting more often next season and a first team regular in 2-3yrs, with potential to be something really special if all goes well.

24 Oct 2017 12:21:35
I agree with what you say SGRed, the problem here is he hasn't signed the new contract given too him.

24 Oct 2017 12:29:03
I want to see more of him this season but yeah realistically next season will be his time to shine should he stay injury free etc. I definitely think he's one for the future I just hope he gets his chance.

24 Oct 2017 12:34:16
Bold statement, but i think he'll be better than Coutinho. At 17 Coutinho was nowhere. Woodburn can go as high as he is prepared to fight for. He has to stay focused and never accept the level he is at, but he could be truly special. His long term position is impossible to say with any certainty. He could be a striker, and winger, a second striker, an attacking midfielder, or even a central midfielder. He is good enough to play any of them roles.

The important thing is, we don't rush him into the team and let him think he's made it before he has. We did that to Sterling, he saw £, and the rest is history.

The same goes for Arnold. We finally have two teenagers coming through who are up there with any of the youth products in Europe except Mbappe and Pulisic. So we need to get it right!

Gomez, Solanke and Grujic are all very good players too, although they're imported talent and slightly older. Not got the immense potential of Woodburn and Arnold, but they have the tools to be players at title winning teams.

Knowing Liverpool, we'll mess it up though like we did with Suso and Sterling!

Of those 5, at least 2 need to end up being first team regulars or I'll regard it as a failure, personally. What is the point investing in the youth academy and buying young players to develop, if we can't even get the crème de la crème into the first team?

24 Oct 2017 13:05:24
at 17 coutino was playong for Inter under rafa bennitez so Mk was coutino was somewhere which to be honest is comparatively better than woodburn being at this Lfc team which has achieved absolutley nothing in the last 5-6 years.

24 Oct 2017 13:38:02
Woodburn is class but it was gomes not Ben who was shortlisted for the golden boy award along with solanke. A bit of a worry that Woodburn hasn't signed his new contract. He is good enough to start for most Pl teams imo.

24 Oct 2017 13:46:54
Crazy, you do realise that at that time Inter Milan were in decline? And that Coutinho was actually a reject in the squad who kept getting fobbed off on loan. By 19 he was playing to an okay level on loan at Espanyol, but it still wasn't enough for Inter to want to keep him, despite them being a mid table team by the time we bought him.

His career was going nowhere before Liverpool and Southampton came in for him. You are talking as if he was a regular for them and they were challenging at the top of Serie A. In reality he barely kicked a ball for them and they barely made top 8. And this was at 20 years old. Woodburn isn't even at that age yet and he is regarded as the future of his national team, and has scored his first senior goals for us.

Of course, different players develop at different rates. Coutinho was 20 before he he started getting seriously recognised. For Woodburn that has come 3 years earlier. The difference is Coutinho got his head down and built on his potential, turning it into substance. Woodburn's raw ability will count for nothing if he doesn't do the same. Touch wood he is grounded enough to know you can't take it for granted and hard hard is still required.

24 Oct 2017 13:56:41
Took the words out of my fingers there MK mate.

24 Oct 2017 14:04:53
Can woodburn play centre half or in goals because that needs adressing before anything else.

24 Oct 2017 15:03:28
Thanks for the replies . It’s just a shame to see so many teenagers not getting a chance. Makes you wonder what the point is of having academies.

24 Oct 2017 15:06:21
When things aren't going well you cznt afford to take chances on youth players. It's a shame but true. When you're flying is the perfect time to give the kids z chance. I really really rate Woodburn. Wasn't there talk of real Madrid interested in Ben? Could that be why he hasn't signed the contract yet.

24 Oct 2017 15:13:01
So assuming Woodburn is better than Coutinho. Coutinho mature performances came say at 24 yo. Woodburn is 17 and assuming he is better, he will have Coutinhoesque performance at 22yo (y ears faster than Countinho) . That will be another 5 years more? Yawnzzzzzz.

24 Oct 2017 15:39:15
firstly inter were not in decline, if you consider inter eith Rafa in devline, this Lfc with Kloop is in bigger decline. secondly Coutino played a lot under rafa and after rafa left and inter started to go down the drain he had to move on loan. so still get your facts right. woidburn has immense potential but has done nothing so far to say he would be better than coutino.
this is typical of Lfc fans all our players are world class just beacuse they play for Lfc.

24 Oct 2017 15:46:27
Didnt Coutinho have to stay at Vasco in Brazil until he turned 18?

24 Oct 2017 15:50:42
Potential doesn't always work like that brudder. Rossiter looked a stunning prospect, but his potential came to nothing. Who can say why because everyone thought he was the real deal. Then you have Drogba and Walcott. Walcott at 20 looked like a massive talent, whereas nobody had heard of Drogba. By 27 Walcott is finished and Drogba was one of the best strikers in world football.

It isn't that simple and players develop at different rates. I personally am backing/ predicting Woodburn to one day be the better player. He could be 25-27 before it happens, or it could never happen, or he may improve at a Messi-like rate and be world class by 21 years old. It's all predictions mate. There is no black or white, right or wrong etc. I think he'll be a regular by 21 but I'm not a crystal ball 😂

In 2013 the two players i had the most confidence in were Sterling and Suso. Behind them I had a a slightly lesser confidence in Rossiter, Ibe and Smith but i still backed them to make it. The reality is, even if you have 5 great young talents, odds are most of them won't make it. Suso now pulls the strings for AC Milan though, and Sterling is winning matches for Man City. Meanwhile Rossiter is struggling in Scotland, Ibe is only just starting to show minor quality at Bournemouth, and Brad Smith is doing nothing at club level, even if he is doing well internationally. That is why i said i would like 2 out of Woodburn, Arnold, Gomez, Solanke and Grujic to make the grade. If more than 2 make it, fantastic. But past experience tells me it is unreasonable to expect every good young player to make it big.

It doesn't mean we're not allowed to get excited at the prospect of them fulfilling their potential though! 😁.

24 Oct 2017 16:14:54
Crazy Horse, Inter was in decline all of there players aged terrible and Jose left at perfectly the right time and Rafa came in at the wrong time Morrati had no patience due to them falling behind rapidly they didn't make the right moves in the market and is exactly why they where so behind for the last 8+ years they are really only just recovering, Couthinho move was a mistake in the aspect that it wasn't the correct club to go to to help him devloep but then the move was justified because it got his foot into the Europe played well at Espanyol and got his big move, and yes T-Diggity he was bought by inter at 16 and stayed at Vasco for two years.

24 Oct 2017 17:03:07
Crazy horse, the irony of you telling people to get their facts straight 😂 You do realise, Rafa left Inter in 2010. Coutinho made his debut late that year. In fact I'm not sure he even played under Rafa, and if he did it was no more than 5-10 games.

Couts stayed at Vasco on loan for 2 years. I have no idea if he had to, or Inter just didn't think he was ready to be honest. He finally joined up with them and made about 10-15 league appearances in his first season. Next year he made about 10, then got packed off to Spain for half a season where he made about 15 appearances for Espanyol and scored 5 goals (his most successful spell until his second season with us), then in his final season at Inter he made about 10 league appearances before we signed him.

He was nothing before we signed him. A dwindling talent who had only ever been trusted by Pochettino on loan at Espanyol. He was not breaking into the team across 5 years on their books and he never looked like he would do so. We turned him into the star he is today.

He signed for Inter in 2008 and left in 2013 having made just 47 appearances in all competitions for them, most of which he was either subbed off, or subbed on.

Stop making this nonsense up that he enjoyed some kind of successful spell under Rafa at 17 years old. He was in Brazil at 17, he barely if ever played under Rafa, and he was never a regular or even seen as one for the future. They thought he was light weight. More fool them.

I'm not going over board with Woodburn, I'm well aware and have repeatedly stated that his potential will come to nothing if he doesn't work hard. I'm quite simply predicting that one day he might score 10-15 goals a season like Coutinho manages to do. If that is going over board then I'm sorry!



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