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09 Nov 2017 19:28:58
Now for an interesting question.

Who will Lallana be replacing as he is rumoured to be back soon.

Not his biggest fan but if you compare him to the player he was under Rodgers vs Klopp, I actually do not mind him starting for us.

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09 Nov 2017 19:44:28
I don't think he will replace anyone immediately, I would imagine he will be eased in from the bench and if it gets to a point where he is playing well enough to take someone's spot he will take it. I don't think it is as black and white as he will come in for one player or another.

09 Nov 2017 20:01:28
Class player though will add a lot to the squad we have missed him.

09 Nov 2017 20:42:13
Yeah I think It'll go like that too Den mate. Still, looking forward to his return, anybody know how long he's out for now?

09 Nov 2017 21:25:57
He should've on the bench against Saints.
When he is up to speed I believe he will replace Can in the starting 11.

09 Nov 2017 21:33:42
I work with a guy who’s brother went to school with him. They are still friends now. He said he starts training with the team again tomorrow.

10 Nov 2017 06:17:47
Depends on the system Klopp plays each game, for me.

In the 4-3-3 he takes either Can/ Milners place.

In the 4-4-2 we played against West Ham he doesn't get in the team for me.

10 Nov 2017 06:21:11
When fit Hendo and Lallana will start in our midfield three. Third place depends on what happens with Coutinho.

10 Nov 2017 06:24:05
I expect it’ll be a Hendo, Lallana, Gini midfield when everyone's fit again, with Can being used where physicality is required and as impact sub

We have games every 3-4 days until the NY after this international break, we’ll need all the players.

10 Nov 2017 06:39:22
The reason I think it will be Can is because he wants out and won't sign a new deal, whereas Hendo is our captain.

10 Nov 2017 07:08:11
Putney

Wijnaldum will start. He is one CM Klopp wouldn’t drop for anyone!

10 Nov 2017 10:16:09
Harry there is no denying Can is a good player. I just think Wijnaldum, Henderson and Lallana are our only midfielders who have the mobility Klopp wants, hence why they're all first choice when fit. Keita beats them all for mobility though so he will usurp them all as first choice!

That does make me worry slightly for Grujic. If Can is not mobile enough for Klopp, then i struggle to see how Grujic fits in long term. He has a lot of talent though so hopefully he can adapt and as we discussed the other day, i won't write him off yet.

I would not be at all surprised to see our midfield options going forward be Gini, Keita, Lallana and Henderson; with Arnold, Woodburn and Ejaria seeing more gametime from next season. I expect Gini and Keita will be first names on the team sheet because they are Klopps's signings, they are the youngest of the senior players, and they can run the quickest. If we play a 3 man midfield then you'd say either of Henderson or Lallana could play alongside them. In a two man midfield though, Gini and Keita have the versatility, the attributes and the legs to cope alone.

At the end of the day, Klopp likes to swarm the opposition in midfield, irrespective of the system or formation. He just believes in always putting pressure on the ball as a unit. So players like Can, Grujic and even Milner who are slow to accelerate/ turn and relatively clumsy really don't suit what he is trying to achieve long term, despite all being decent players in their own right. We may not agree with Klopp, but it's just how it is.

10 Nov 2017 10:41:47
Looking slightly further ahead (January), Lallana will have replaced Coutinho as the most advanced of our three midfielders. The Coutinho fee will be spent elsewhere in the team.

10 Nov 2017 11:11:40
Easy for me, Can dropped.

Klopp doesn't rate him and he's not committed to the club so why play a player who is not in it for the long term whether that's his fault of not he is going that is certain. I wouldn't be surprised if the deal wasn't already in place for an end of season transfer to Juve but they just cannot announce till Jan in order to avoid issues.

Can out Lallana in and instantly we have a better blend in the middle 3.

10 Nov 2017 11:23:49
Not sure what you mean by mobility of a midfielder that has to sit deep, Start an attack or protect the two poor center backs!
If Keita comes in then he takes Wijnaldum’s place, the one who will drive and carry the ball from the midfidld. Coutinho is repealed by I don’t know who but a starter who will be our Attacking midfielder or Playmaker.

That leaves us with only one position that is the deep midfielder or DM or a deep lying holding midfielder which Henderson is not! And I truly believe Klopp has learned enough from his B2B experiment and would look into buy a player like Weigl / Sahin

I have said a week ago Grujic has no future at the club which you quickly dismissed calling me naive!

Mobility of a player doesn’t mean chase every ball, press every ball and get into the frames of camera every now and then! Xavi Alonso was the greatest midfielder to play infront of the Center backs and he hardly sweat on the football pitch.

We need a calm and composed CM to sit infrornt of the CB’s allowing Kieta and Brandt to attack in license.

I would have absolutely developed Can into that role not just as a Wanyama but as a Dembele! He is almost there. Isn't he?

10 Nov 2017 12:06:03
By mobility i mean speed, acceleration, agility, balance etc. Can has speed to some extent, but that is it from those attributes. It means that if he attempts to press, players can just side step him and leave him for dust. Whereas with Henderson, Gini and Lallana they can press more effectively because they can change direction and accelerate quicker.

I agree with you that mobility is not a necessary requirement of a holding midfielder. However Can does not want to play there. He wants to be further forward, so his career here is over. Grujic on the other hand has shown a desire to learn the holding role in the u23's. It is that willingness to learn a new role which makes it impossible to write him off just yet. If he can't adapt, he will have to move on because he is also too clumsy to effectively press the opposition. I told you at the time, i wasn't saying he would make it here, and that my argument was just that it is too early to categorically say he won't. I predict that he won't, but you weren't predicting. You were stating it as though it was a forgone conclusion.

As you rightly say, a holding player does not have to press. They sit and shield. Standing still and blocking players from going past you requires positional awareness and timing of the tackle. To some extent, strength is also important, but not a necessity. However running at somebody to make a tackle requires agility, acceleration and balance; hence why Kante is the best in the business at doing that. If the player you are trying to tackle turns or changes direction, you need to be able to readjust your body quickly so that you don't end up on the wrong side of the ball. If you do though, you need the acceleration to quickly get back on the right side!

I agree with you that we need a player in between the midfield and defence in certain games. It is why I wrote an entire article arguing that exact point! If Can doesn't want to play that role though, then what can we do about it? He isn't built to press (as is required in our advanced roles) so he has to move on to be replaced by someone who is; Keita.

Even if we do sign a defensive midfielder (and i hope we do for use in certain games), i highly doubt it will be a destroyer or a deep lying playmaker. Far more likely it will be a more mobile midfielder who is just defensively minded; as proven by the interest we showed in Obiang last summer, and the fact that Lucas was sold. Klopp's philosophy has evolved since the days of Nuri Sahin. He even put Bender into defence before he left BVB because he was too slow for his midfield system. Klopp's midfield has to hunt as a pack. He doesn't want to win the ball back on the edge of his own box, he wants to win it back as high up the pitch as possible. So he won't play an auxiliary centre back in midfield who waits for the opposition to travel 80 yards before they put in a tackle. Klopp doesn't believe in that. It really is that simple.

10 Nov 2017 13:32:46
Interesting that so many people see Wiji as a first choice, I'm fairly certain that's not Klopp's view. He's certainly not ahead of Hendo or Lallana and will obviously be behind Keita. The plan was to play Couts as the third midfielder, if that's changed then Wiji plays, if not then Wiji goes to the bench.

10 Nov 2017 13:55:22
Brandt?

11 Nov 2017 12:32:09
Okay! I'll cross your post on para by para.

First Can has not expressed any desire to play high up the pitch or anywhere perticular on the pitch. He wants regular playing time and that is all he want from Klopp! So you are blatantly wrong on that assumption.

Lallana and Can are different players with different attributes completely. I don’t know what you mean by Can not reaching the same level of Lallana. He shouldn’t as he is not! Can brings something different that Lallana could only dream or would never bring to. I would rather have 2 different players than two similar Lallana’s.

Henderson is not mobile! Simply Not! You are biased and that’s is your call! I am not going to impose my view on you!

Grujic will not get any time on the first team next season with AOC also knocking the door from the bench for regular playing time preferably in the midfiled. He would be first loaned and eventually departed ( you can star my post on it )

Effective pressing - you have to be cleaver when to press and when not to! Our biggest downfall under Klopp or why he is slowing withdrawing his fav press from the game is largely down to the players having no clue on when to press and when not to!

Leaving your space / position wide open to press an opponent player is pure dumb something I wouldn’t want my deepest player to do in any emergency.

Deep midfielders - His role is not to press, Period! It is when he tries to charge forward that expose the CB.

Kante is an old school CM in the mold of a mature Can or a better version or Mousa Dembele.

Your last para i don't know where did you find that! Can’s only weakness is at times he act like a child on the pitch with no interest on the game. Nothing to do with his own box or opposition box

We need a mobile midfielder - I am sorry but we don’t need need another AOC! We need a holding midfielder not someone who will run up and down! I have signed many at my disposal.

Klopp’s midfiled - I have no interest in his choices.
He might buy a few more Milners and ask them to play an Eric Dier.
He like runners and why he doesn’t rate Can! Nothing to do with his quality!







 

 

 
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