Liverpool banter 6

12 Jun 2026 11:43:44
Ed1 what's your thoughts on Elliot? Does he get another chance under Iraola? Only one year left on his deal. I can see him staying and signing a new deal. Relatively low wages.

{Ed001's Note - I think he should get a chance to show what he can do. The talent is there.}

12 Jun 2026 12:29:49
Tbf, Elliott does seem like an able rotation player for Wirtz in the CAM position. Both have a similar profile, that also helps. I would not like to see either in the wide positions, as they are far too slow to get away from their opposition player/s.

Might push each other to get a higher number of goal contributions, because neither has done so yet in a Liverpool shirt consistently.

If you are the CAM, you really do need to offer more than what we have seen, so, far. Hopefully Iraola's style, speed of play and high energy will support that.

{Ed001's Note - he played his best for us in central midfield, deeper, and he could easily do that in Iraola's system. I think that is his future, he can do what Scott did.}

12 Jun 2026 12:30:20
I agree. Gives us another option on that right side, and we need a squad this year.

12 Jun 2026 13:00:34
Based on what we've seen of the manager, we're going to need capable players to come off the bench in games for 30 mins+ and strong rotation as it's going to be a long season with lots of running for these lads.

I'd keep Elliot to give us another option in midfield.

12 Jun 2026 13:54:41
Are you taking about Elliot Ed?

Does he have the legs to be one of the deeper mids in a 3 man set up?
Wirtz Elliot and Szob for example, does not fill me with confidence at all. We would get ran through imo.
Elliot as the 10 with 2 behind him I can buy into. I would keep for his hunger and energy, I think he's a decent player who will get better with Andoni's coaching. We definitely need a more athletic mid this summer though!

{Ed001's Note - they wouldn't get run through, so long as the defence doesn't drop off and leave spaces.}

12 Jun 2026 15:09:26
I would love for Elliot to get another chance with us. The idea of him being Salah's cover was always way off the mark. He's not the quickest, but he does cover ground and has the technical ability. Have him in Macca's position all day long. Great, HG cover for other positions. Plus a supporter. Why wouldn't we keep him?

12 Jun 2026 15:01:11
Ed001, it's such a shame that Elliot was shipped out last season. The season before, Klopp was using him as a CM rather than a CAM and though it was slow start, I felt he was growing into that role.

His attitude and spirit, as well as his running, I felt made up for his size. With his feisty-ness he did remind me a bit of a Mascherano-type player, with bite (not like Suarez's bite!).

I think he could do that job again, really looking forward to Iraola spending some time with him.

12 Jun 2026 15:19:55
I agree Ed, that's also why I think we will be bringing in only 2 or 3 new signings.

Iraola can get a tune out of the previously disregarded players.

12 Jun 2026 15:49:12
I'm sorry Zed, but where did you get the idea that Elliot has bite? He has zero bite, that is his main problem and why we finished 5th when Klopp had him playing in midfield.

He's very willing and has talent on the ball, but he can't tackle. He closes people down, and they just shove him off the ball and run through him.

Having him in midfield left us woefully exposed down that side.

That's not to say he can't learn, everyone can be coached to be better at anything, but comparing him to Mascherano and saying he has bite is the complete opposite of what he is.

12 Jun 2026 17:03:31
Westwood, like you, I am a big fan of Elliott and have been from the jump, and nothing has changed for me, no matter how pathetic his treatment was from Slot and the club.

I think he will kill it with us in CM cos he can press, works hard, and can strike a ball, cos we saw him do all these things under Klopp. I see no issues with him under Iraola, who plays the same system or similar to that of Klopp.



I will say that I liked the way he covered for Salah, cos as he is not a winger with pace, he played the role like a wide 8 or wide 10 who could combine with others, could cross the ball well, and could cut in and shoot. I love the kid and hope he gives it a full go in preseason.

12 Jun 2026 17:11:12
100% agree with Ron and Ed 👍

12 Jun 2026 18:40:40
It was only 12 months ago that Elliot ripped it to bits in the U21 World Cup. He was outstanding. He played deep and got loads of joy coming onto the ball with everything in front of him. His passing and links led to most of the shots on goal.

Hated what happens to the kid. AR could really get a tune out of him. Didn't know he only has a year left. Poor show all round. Slot was wrong sending him on loan. Perhaps he didn't fit the horseshoe formation.

12 Jun 2026 07:54:47
Eds,

Do you have any idea why the noise around Angelo Stiller has faded? Last summer he was rumoured to Utd, Liverpool and Real Madrid.still had a fairly decent season and seems like the kind of midfielder a lot of teams need.

Good in defensive duels, temposetter and a good passer

{Ed001's Note - no idea mate sorry.}

12 Jun 2026 10:13:03
He would have been an ideal signing and, if we had moved for Hoeness instead of Iraola, I think we would have got Stiller as well. I still hope we go for him, as he is the profile of a midfielder we desperately need.

Then again, as long as we get a more combative CM, rather than another slow moving progressor of the ball, I think it will be better for it, and at least provide better balance in midfield.

Camara and Sangara were looked at, but I believe the latter is in talks with United now. We should be all over Camara, but we seem solely focused on Diomande, for now. That, and the World Cup, will likely cause delays, as no player will want to talk moves, while they are still in that competition. I doubt Federations can ban it, but it would be highly frowned upon by players, staff and fans alike.

12 Jun 2026 11:32:00
I think we move for a midfielder only when we know if Jones really wants Togo. If Jones, Macca and Elliot stay, then maybe no need for a midfielder just yet. Rw and RB are the two main priorities imo.

12 Jun 2026 11:50:28
Stiller is not a combative CM and is a slower progressor of the ball. Or am I watching a different player somehow? He needs protection from a more physical, athletic ball winner.

12 Jun 2026 12:02:10
@Keegan, we have not come close to replacing Fabs, who was the ball winner / breaker upperer of opposition attacks, for the rest of the team to be the hung-ho heavy metal players.

Perhaps that's too simplistic, but Fabs was the shield for the defence and freed up the other mids / front three to counter attack at pace.



We still need someone like that and we'll be all the better for bringing someone of the same type for the coming season.

12 Jun 2026 12:09:10
The thing is that Fab, besides being an incredibly mobile shield for the back 4, was also an incredible footballer who could pass the ball accurately and also fizz it through the lines even if he saw the pass was on. He was a unicorn player, we'd do well to find somebody who has even half the overall ability that he had.

12 Jun 2026 12:09:55
I don't get why Jones switching allegiance to Togo has any bearing on who we buy?

Does he have roots in Togo? Is there a qualification period?

12 Jun 2026 12:11:36
Jones and Macca definitely need to go, I'd probably keep Elliott if any of them. Macca was so bad last season, doesn't deserve his place and Jones is an enigma and still waiting for him to actually kick on despite being nearly 26.

12 Jun 2026 12:20:24
Zed, you haven't heard of dual citizenship? 😜

12 Jun 2026 12:50:24
I wasn't aware that Jones now has plans to move to the Togo Premier League. It's an interesting development, mate.

12 Jun 2026 17:11:31
PB & WDW, I fully agree with your assessments of Fab. Fab was called the Lighthouse or the Dyson for a reason by Klopp.

And yes, we do need a player like him. Not sure who that is cos such players are very rare these days.

12 Jun 2026 18:48:09
Agree, OliRed.

The lighthouse was the best way to describe Fabs.

Could score a goal too. What a find he was.

12 Jun 2026 07:39:45
Good Friday morning to all hope everyone has a fantastic weekend.
Tried to watch the game last night just no interest I think since about 2002 my interest in International football has just become less and less now virtually none.
I used to love world cups and euros always made summers great fantastic memories don't know if just because am getting older or the awful football of internationals now.
The worst thing is watching the Premier League last season I was starting to feel the same.


I don't know if it was just a comedown from Klopp's football even though coached well there was a madness like we wasn't an excitement that you did not know what was about to happen.
I hope next season we go back to that and the new rule changes stop the time wasting the soap opera you get from every corner because another season of that and I think I could not bare it.

12 Jun 2026 07:54:54
With you on all points there, Grino, I can remember going to mates' houses carrying cans at 6 in the morning for matches in the World Cup but not arsed at all now.

12 Jun 2026 08:15:25
Aside from Mexico's constant play acting, I quite enjoyed the game last night.

12 Jun 2026 08:52:25
Mexico looked fairly solid as a unit, although SA weren't much at all. The early games are probably going to be fairly low in quality, but hopefully more exciting to watch, as they shouldn't be overly tactical. The match up between South American and African teams often produces the best games. The European and Asian teams can be a bit cagey.

12 Jun 2026 09:39:24
For me, I do love the World Cup. Every player playing for the shirt. Nobody's coached to death. Always some drama and the crowds always look bouncing.
League football especially these days is quite dull in comparison.

12 Jun 2026 09:45:24
The Korea game was a lot better, as they actually looked like a well coached team. The opening game was horrendous as a spectacle and from a referring point of view.

12 Jun 2026 09:54:24
I'll watch it for the event and the emotion, but the standard of football is shocking.

12 Jun 2026 11:57:33
The current Japanese team is actually quite fun to watch (I've been following Japan most of my life, so I watch them anyway), maybe you can try watching them for a bit. Lots of rotations, overloads, triangles to advance through the thirds, it all feels very fluid and well drilled, rather than the more basic sort of playing styles typically on offer in international football.

11 Jun 2026 14:42:06
This new manager is terrible lads. Like he hasn't signed anyone since he took over. 🤭

11 Jun 2026 15:29:37
Maybe he went back home for a mini holiday, Barry.

11 Jun 2026 15:44:35
Just seen him in Ibiza blowing our transfer budget on a Lucky Lucky man.

11 Jun 2026 16:16:18
FSG out.

11 Jun 2026 16:17:34
I've heard he was in South America looking for the idol with a Dr Jones.

11 Jun 2026 16:32:04
BarryinLouth, the manager doesn't sign the players, hence Hughes and Edwards need to go.

11 Jun 2026 17:00:06
He's still unbeaten though, Barry.

11 Jun 2026 17:01:34
I think Barry is teasing, Oli :P.

11 Jun 2026 17:11:04
I do not think the manager could have asked for a better start. We have not shipped a single goal yet. We have not scored any either, but that is down to Palindrome being injured and Isak still finding his feet.

11 Jun 2026 17:39:55
Not long to wait now, Barry. I saw Edward's and Hughes at the returns section of the shop I was in at lunchtime. Apparently they were looking for "left backs".

11 Jun 2026 17:44:00
Robbyroll. Yes, man, I thought I was the only one who thought he looked like him.
Or give him a few years, he can be Doc Ock.

11 Jun 2026 18:40:00
Alfred Molina a.k.a Andoni Iraola. 😉

11 Jun 2026 19:08:36
Madmax, throw me the idol, I throw you the whip....

11 Jun 2026 20:16:46
You certainly can't argue with that RK. 👍

11 Jun 2026 22:53:18
Floral Mousehut is still waiting for the Slot dismissal to be overruled by VAR.

12 Jun 2026 00:05:07
Would have thought he'd have the players in training already.

{Ed078's Note - pretty sure I saw him with ED025 on the lash last night.

12 Jun 2026 00:59:46
That crafty Ed025 betcha he'd slip Andoni a Mickey Finn(No rude thoughts please)and get some information on tactics to help Moyes out

{Ed025's Note - if i was slipping anyone a Mickey Finn Barry it would be Moyes mate.. :)

11 Jun 2026 14:13:26
We have tabled a bid for Diomande, not sure how much, do you know what we have offered Ed's?

11 Jun 2026 16:09:00
Pull up a chair and see if the tables bid has legs. 👍

11 Jun 2026 19:08:09
Very good, Zed. 👏

11 Jun 2026 12:45:44
If we want Sangare we have to act soon, as Utd are going for him now, they have missed out on Anderson…. He’s a quality player rather us than Utd.

11 Jun 2026 13:23:06
£35m too apparently.

11 Jun 2026 13:49:54
They already got a great player in Ederson for 35m + 3m in add-ons, fantastic deal in my opinion when Elliot is being quoted at 130m and Wharton up to 80m.

11 Jun 2026 14:25:37
Liverpool are not signing him.

11 Jun 2026 14:59:23
Ederson is not great, he is Ugarte mark 2.

11 Jun 2026 16:33:40
Ederson used to be great, just like the whole Atalanta team was under Gasperini. Can't say the same now for both parties.

12 Jun 2026 04:21:01
Zero chance of Sangare for £35m. He'll be 80m + for any English side.

11 Jun 2026 11:41:13
Before the first game tonight, I am predicting that the Netherlands will finally win their first World Cup. (I have my body armour on in preparartion for all the replies and comments). 😂

11 Jun 2026 11:56:25
Can't see past France. The forwards they have can out score anyone.

11 Jun 2026 12:08:54
ArAy, I agree with you. I have Holland and Portugal as the finalists and Holland to win. But knowing my luck they will get knocked out early.

11 Jun 2026 12:23:49
I don't think the Dutch can win it, they don't have the players imo, Spain, France & Portugal have the best chance imo.

11 Jun 2026 12:24:27
Spain for me to win.

Surprised by the amount of pundits picking England. Tuchel is a mess.

11 Jun 2026 12:32:10
No chance, I wouldn't be surprised if they struggled (periodically) against Japan.

11 Jun 2026 12:44:42
I would just love it if an underdog won it, for a change. The usual suspects make it boring, a bit. And world football has evolved a lot with more and more of a level playing field. This would be proof of that. (And I still think that Dutch 1974 team deserved to win it).

11 Jun 2026 12:49:02
The climate will be the biggest killer for the likes of England, Scotland, Norway etc. Has to be the likes of Spain, Portugal or Argentina with the best chance. I reckon the football standard will be crap too, given the heat.

11 Jun 2026 12:50:04
England to win. I'm surprised by the amount of people not backing them. They are a strong unit playing under a successful manager.

11 Jun 2026 12:55:19
1jj, You must be having a laugh mate.

11 Jun 2026 13:05:08
I too think France, but my pick for surprise package is Ivory Coast. I'm not saying they will win it, but think they will surprise a few people.

11 Jun 2026 13:06:39
England have a chance, but I struggle to see them beating the likes of Spain or France.

I think we could beat the rest, if we play to our absolute best, but those two will be the most difficult games, imo.

That being said, this is England, and we like doing the whole flatter to deceive thing at tournaments.

11 Jun 2026 13:08:59
Portugal for me.

11 Jun 2026 13:11:07
Who is going to score goals for the Netherlands? They have a decent midfield and defence, but the attack is extremely bad. I don't see them lasting to the QF.

As the others said, Spain, France, Portugal are the favorites. I have Spain as the winner since I feel the defence of France is more fragile.

11 Jun 2026 13:18:08
Either France, Spain, Portugal or Brazil for me, my outsider being Morocco.

11 Jun 2026 13:24:48
I think it's very hard to look beyond France. The squad depth they have is just unbelievable. That'll do for me.

11 Jun 2026 13:30:50
England to win it.
The Dutch have looked really average in their friendlies. I can't see them beating Japan myself.

11 Jun 2026 13:35:28
Irish, you're talking about the blue kit, French speaking, African team, right? 😂🤣😂

11 Jun 2026 13:54:39
My outside bet is Turkey. I was surprised how good their squad is.

11 Jun 2026 13:55:07
Thing about France is that it's the Mbappe circus with him being the head clown. He's become the albatross around the neck of any team he has plays for and I can see France exiting before the final and it going to crap in a way that would make the Dutch or Roy Keane look like small fry.

But no matter who the winner of the trophy is, the real winner won't be football. It'll be Infantino who'll continue to enrich himself and bloat his offshore bank accounts. That's who the real winner is out of this.

11 Jun 2026 14:05:52
I think it'll be one of the South American teams, Mexico to do a decent run with being a 'host', but ultimately falling short. I don't give England a prayer. I wouldn't be surprised to see us out in the R16.

But struggling to get excited for this one, I love the World Cup. However, with everything going on, it's not getting the same scrutiny as Qatar, with some questionable decisions.

The fees being banded around for tickets etc, and Blatter lite saying it's better in our pockets than the touts, and I feel this will not live long in the memory. That's before the elephant in the room that's Trump and whatever he will do throughout!

Hopefully the football can bring it to life, but I see that being a pragmatic bore fest.

11 Jun 2026 14:13:51
That's the thing I was thinking about also, Viktor. We've seen how a single or collective of big egos can destroy any team's chances of winning. We saw that with the Dutch, in particular, in the past, with characters like Seedorf and Sneijder. And France has those characters with big egos, now.

11 Jun 2026 14:38:49
Really?
Netherlands?

Their team is pretty average imo.
That attack is so basic.
Midfield lacks a match winner too.

France for me.

11 Jun 2026 14:48:51
I'm on France beating Portugal in the final 25/1.

11 Jun 2026 14:17:06
Iran, just to stick it to the Fanta fascist.

11 Jun 2026 15:00:39
Brazil for me, the Don factor proving genius.

11 Jun 2026 15:05:00
I'm going for Senegal.

11 Jun 2026 15:06:12
Brazil is my perennial favorite, but they've disappointed in recent Cups.

11 Jun 2026 15:31:37
Portugal for me.

Unless FIFA play favorites with Argentina.

11 Jun 2026 17:01:00
I'm going Brazil too.

11 Jun 2026 20:10:30
Portugal.

11 Jun 2026 23:27:04
I'm in regular touch with a nice old lady named Nellie who I first met on the road to Mandalay. She was telling me that her rascally son Donald and his bestest friend Gianni are convinced the US of A are going to win and make America great.

Being a bit more serious, I think England will surprise people, they are, oddly, a difficult team to beat and they might go a fair way, although I don't think they'll win it.



My vote for the winner is Portugal. They have a pretty good squad and they are entertaining to watch.

11 Jun 2026 11:34:21
It’s just madness to see City with the charges still hanging over them can bid £120mill for a player.
When can we expect a decision on these charges?

11 Jun 2026 12:26:55
Expect them to get a slap on the wrist imo.

11 Jun 2026 13:14:47
Especially when they've been so quick to Dosh out the various punishments to Everton.

11 Jun 2026 13:37:29
Burnley played crap and got relegated. Nothing to do with Everton. So is everyone gona sue Man City when we know they're guilty?

11 Jun 2026 16:27:42
When it is eventually decided, we will still have the appeal process on top. It really is scandalous how long this has taken. Haven't we already exceeded the deadline date they gave us previously?

11 Jun 2026 23:29:53
It's a shocker, isn't it? A case of one lot of justice for a tiny minority and a different justice altogether for the rest. Not only is modern football a business, it's also a corrupt business.

11 Jun 2026 11:20:37
I decided to put out there my top picks for the world cup and odds I'd give them.

Spain - it's OLMOst a joke the squad they have. The rest of the teams will be PEDRIfied.odds 1-1

France - they have TCHOUMENI good players to not be a KONEtender. 5-4

Germany - you d have to be inSANE to not put an each way between on them. The WIRTZ they will finish is third. 2-1

Argentina, when the going gets MESSI, they get get going 2-1

England - KANE they win it? They certainly have the STONES to go all the way. Odds 9-4

Brazil - FRANCAly I think injuries will cost them. Maybe worth a fiver bet but I wouldn't bet aNEYMAR than that. 4-1

Colombia - I ll give you 10-1. Or in Spanish DIAZ-1

Uruguay - I think UGARTE be crazy to put a bet on this lot. Do they have a chance. I think NUNEZpecially with this squad. 100-1.

Ivory Coast - some of their players are in high DIOMANDE and I think the distractions will prove too much in this TOUREnement. 100-1

Right I leave it there and get my Ivory Cote

I'll show myself out.

*Awkwardly reverses into chair while trying to leave

The door won't budge

Is it locked?

Oh, there it is. Just jammed.

So long!

11 Jun 2026 11:57:02
😮. How and where do you have the time to come up with all this? 😂

11 Jun 2026 12:17:21
Enjoyed that, Davey. Fair play! Not sure I like your odds as much, mind. 😂

11 Jun 2026 12:31:26
Loving the puns, Davey, great work, mate!

11 Jun 2026 12:34:26
I trust you'll see yourself out.