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23 Feb 2017 12:11:42
Read over past posts about Sead Kolasinic there but was wondering if there has been any newer info regards him?
Free in the summer and someone we should definitely be enquiringly about IMO.

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23 Feb 2017 12:26:23
Why? He's okay but hardly brilliant.

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23 Feb 2017 14:22:20
Kolasinic will be a free agent, and you can be sure there will be 3 maybe 4 big clubs going for him . hard to say were he ends up.

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23 Feb 2017 11:44:44
Eds are we still interested in Kolasinac?

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{Ed002's Note - Yes. Nothing has changed and he is aware of a number of options from other clubs that he has - in addition to the offer of a new contract from Schalke.}

23 Feb 2017 13:07:07
Cheers Ed.

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23 Feb 2017 07:49:17
Eds,
Seen the Gossip page has a quote from Klopp in regards to Dolberg. Has a journo asked him about possible interest and do you think Liverpool may look at him?
Looks like he could be a great striker in years to come, just hadn't seen much of a link between us and him.
I'd have thought he would be a Barca, Madrid, Munich, Man City type target but would be glad if we were in the running.

Thanks in advance eds.

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{Ed002's Note - He was asked about Danish players by a Danish journalist during an interview. Chelsea and Manchester City have a declared interest in Ajax's Kasper Dolberg who has also been watched by Manchester United, Rangers, Everton, Sunderland and others.}

23 Feb 2017 11:31:27
As good as he could become we have origi who is our development striker. Anyone who comes in now needs to deliver 2 weeks before they sign. If we want to keep up wi5h the rest but still wish to develop youth then there's an academy for that.

First team ready players now.

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23 Feb 2017 12:27:48
Supermane, while logical, ethical and sound, I am not sure your approach really works in today's big business, fast profits world of football. Owners, teams and even the fans want quicker, almost immediate winning results, and we all know it.

So while having a grassroots approach of building up and development through academies is the correct one (IMO), the big teams all are using an approach of developing a team of existing senior players, development players (subs and youth teams what-not) and buying the best appropriate players on the market at any given time.

Look at Barcelona with their first team and their famed academy, and yet they are still always on the lokout for the next superstar available on the market. Or look at Chelsea and ManC with their loaned out players (38 and 17) and their ability to cherry pick any player back from a loan if he adds to the first team. (We have 12 players on loan BTW, but perhaps not so cleverly purchased) .

I'm not arguing with you. Just saying that if Klopp and coaches see Dolberg as better (at present and in future) than Origi, then so be it and let's go out and try to buy him. I'm not at all comfortable with the notion that a first team's success should be held back, because we are waiting for players from the subs or youth teams to develop.

It doesn't work, and you certainly don't maximise your chances to win trophies this way. Let's have an approach of creating a team with the best senior squad, the best youth teams possible and buying the best possible players available in the market. Put them all in the mix, and then the best players available, play on any match day.

I agree we may not have the money available as other teams, but then every team should function within its fiscal means anyway, so I'm not even considering this aspect of it.

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21 Feb 2017 15:15:03
Seen Liverpool FC are linked to West Ham's Pedro Obiang.

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21 Feb 2017 19:27:26
I hope not.

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21 Feb 2017 20:04:29
I would literally take any of their midfielders over him.

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22 Feb 2017 01:42:24
He's actually not as bad as you'd expect, fairly decent player. Wouldn't want him at Liverpool but I'd take him over noble any day.

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22 Feb 2017 10:15:14
Where was that rumour plucked from?

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22 Feb 2017 13:42:57
there will be plenty more where that came from between now and august DecimusUK.

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22 Feb 2017 15:14:27
United linked with Dybala and Griezmann, we're linked with Pedro Obiang lol.

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{Ed001's Note - why are people so down on Obiang?}

22 Feb 2017 17:15:40
Because we want to sign names that will take us further ed. You surely can't defend Obiang. That's just blind faith. I'd rather stick Stewart in for a season, see what he's made of.

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{Ed001's Note - I don't remember him being as bad as people seem to be making out. Nothing to do with blind faith, but it seems everyone wants to bitch about signings of players we actually need without anyone actually knowing if he is any good. Seems like most people are basing it on whether he is a flair player or not. Obiang has looked good when I have watched him, despite having to pair up with the utterly average Noble and carry him week in week out. I would rather we bought him than Goetze.}

22 Feb 2017 17:30:55
18 appearances for west ham, 1 goal 1 assist.

99 appearances for sampdoria 4 goals 6 assists.

Gotze total for Bayern/ Dortmund/ Germany

225 appearances 59 goals 50 assists.

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{Ed001's Note - what is the point in that crap? Obiang is not an attacker, Goetze is. Just meaningless numbers.}

22 Feb 2017 17:35:13
Just putting numbers to names for people to view, its not crap its actual factual statistics.

You made the reference between the both in stating you would choose the later over Gotze!

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{Ed001's Note - not because of meaningless crappy useless irrelevant statistics. It was because we need a player like Obiang, we do not need a player like Goetze, we have Coutinho.}

22 Feb 2017 17:42:47
I have no problems with your opinions Ed1 but you way of articulating your points leaves a lot to be desired.

I personally find the comparison of interest seen as you raised the point of a choice over both, I would accommodate gotze on the left and bring Coutinho back into the 10 position, but again that's simply my opinion if we even targeted a player of Gotze ilk.

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{Ed001's Note - if you don't like it don't read it. I haven't time to sit here reading through irrelevant stats. We don't need Goetze, we have shown a lack of bite and power and pace in central midfield, which would not be solved by Couts moving back, much as I would like him there. It would also not help our attack replacing Couts with Goetze, who is not as good as Couts, so would just weaken our attack while solving none of our issues.}

22 Feb 2017 17:51:01
Hi ed,

I watch a lot of WHU because my missus supports them. Whenever I've seen obiang I just think he is a bog standard player who doesn't stand out with any attribute really. I've seen him be really sloppy in possession. It's not that I'm overly down on him, just think he doesn't offer anything we'd want or don't have in Stewart or potentially grujic.

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{Ed001's Note - Grujic is nothing like that, totally different kind of player, so an irrelevant comparison, nor is Stewart for that matter. He is very similar to N'Zonzi, he looks all arms and legs but he is effective and what we are missing right now. Stewart is a holding player, Obiang is not.}

22 Feb 2017 19:25:37
I think personally if we are looking at a central midfielder we should be looking for an experienced player who's got a calming influence. Obiang just looks nervous when I watch him, he's also made 2 errors leading to goals this season. We've got enough errors in us at present. I'd rather us be scouting the world for a cb.

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{Ed001's Note - I would not disagree with that at all, though every player will have made at least 2 errors leading to goals, whether or not they are counted as such.}

22 Feb 2017 20:31:34
I disagree with the eds a lot but comparing gotze and obiangs goalscoring record is pointless. How many goals has Kante scored?
Obiang is just the type of player we need, whether he's the right one is a different question.

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22 Feb 2017 22:18:24
Obiang is a CM not a cdm i would expect more goals/ assist over the volume of games from our cm's.

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23 Feb 2017 00:07:50
Jeez

And everyone was whining about Winjaldum last summer, seriously some people just make my eyes roll when reading such negative posts.

Typical ignorance.

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23 Feb 2017 03:00:45
I couldn't agree more with ed when saying he's the type of player we need but I don't think he is anywhere near the quality we should be aiming for, someone like Bakayoko, Kessie or even Tolisso seem like similar energetic midfielders but younger and more talented.

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23 Feb 2017 09:56:46
Why do we need more goalscorers?
Surely we need more defensively minded players.

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23 Feb 2017 11:22:19
Obiang is a decent player from what I have seen. Not what we need but the stick just shows how little some people understand a midfielders role. He is very good at reading the game, good on the ball, and an all round solid performer. If we did sell Can, we could do worse than Obiang.

Most my mates are Hammers, and they love him. His application, attitude and ability are all there. Could develop into a top player if he adds a little to his game. He either needs to add that killer pass, a few goals, or to get a little stronger in breaking up play. I don't think he has found his niche yet, but when he does West Ham have a player there.

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23 Feb 2017 11:04:25
Obiang is a poor man's Yaya toure.

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23 Feb 2017 13:48:39
For clarity nobody is suggesting we need goalscorers - the comparison was made purely as Ed1 suggested he would personally take Obiang over Gotze. Now whilst they are completely different players Obiang is predominately a central midfielder and in this day and age he is not classed as the ball winning role per-say so you would expect him to impact a game in different ways which naturally leads to the question of does he assist/ score enough to impact a match as you would expect a LFC central midfielder to do so.

I agree LFC need defensive reinforcements but if the question was posed would you rather take Gotze or Obiang to improve LFC I know what I would choose as I do not rate Obiang as good enough to improve on what we already have in Can, Henderson, Wiji, but again something that often gets lost on here that is simply my own opinion and I do not suggest that everyone should or will agree with as everyone will have their own thoughts on what is needed.

Hopefully that gives some clarity to the discussion.

Regards.

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{Ed001's Note - those stats are still meaningless. In this day and age is just nonsense, as the central midfield role has never been about scoring or assisting on its own. We do not need Goetze, no matter what those cherry picked and completely pointless stats show. We do need a driving force in midfield, someone to break up play and get us the ball back early and high up the pitch. Why not show some stats such as how many times they have recovered possession or how many times they have intercepted the ball, won challenges etc? They would be far more relevant to the role we require to fill.}

23 Feb 2017 14:10:47
Ed1 again that is your opinion whilst i appreciate what your saying your thought are on what we need it does not mean it is the correct one!

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{Ed001's Note - no, my thought is that, as usual with stats, you cherry picked ones to back up your argument, rather than ones that had any relevance to the discussion. Considering we are the top scoring side in the league, it is obvious that the one worry we do not have is scoring goals.....

I should just ban stats from the site, they are so badly misused, as you are proving, to just cheat in a discussion, with no context to give them relevance. When used properly, stats are a useful tool, but no one seems to understand how to use them to do anything other than twist to suit their own argument.

I am not arguing with you about Goetze over Obiang, I am pointing out that your stats are irrelevant, but you are so busy going on about the two players that you are missing the point completely.}

23 Feb 2017 14:50:25
No im not Ed1, what im saying is that having the choice between the two regardless of position purely based on the players and what they can offer the team/ squad in their current ability levels I would take Gotze personally over Obiang.

I am not suggesting Gotze is what the squad requires im simply stating that if it where a simply choice between both I would personally take Gotze.

I stand by the relevance of any midfielder being expected to make an impact by scoring and assisting games and thus the stats provided are entirely relevant to that point in todays games where we need to score from as many avenues as possible.

Some of the so called best central midfielders of the current premier league era are Gerrard, Lampard, Scholes, Fabregas, Toure, Xabi Alonso who all influenced the game with goals and or assists. This is not with regard to the ball winners/ play breakers like Makalele, Keane, Essien etc they are not what I would define as a CM more a CDM

I do think we need to reinforce in the DM ball winning role but I do not believe that is Obiang as he would not be an improvement on the options we already have available.

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{Ed001's Note - pointless this discussion as you do not know what you are on about. Xabi Alonso is more of a CDM than Kante or Essien ever were or will be. You prescribe roles you clearly do not understand and produce irrelevant stats that you falsely believe relevant. I give up. I am not going to bother again. The whole point was that all these people getting all excited over a player we don't need while whining about a link to a player we do need. It is a pointless discussion as all you have done is prove the point. You get all excited and start producing pointless stats to back up your excitement over someone we don't need, while using those same irrelevant stats to bitch at the possibility of signing someone we might well need.

By the way Toure was never amongst the best central midfielders when he influenced the game with goals and assists, nor was Gerrard, Fabregas has never been amongst the best either. Toure and Gerrard at their best played behind the striker, AHEAD of the central midfield. Alonso played behind the central midfield in a holding role, similar to Makalele but with the ability to create as well as destroy. Keane was an all round midfielder, in an era before this obsession with having to have a pure defensive or attacking role came about. His time was different and he is not really relevant at all, but he was certainly never a CDM and it shows complete ignorance to suggest that was his role.}

23 Feb 2017 15:09:48
I give up!

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{Ed001's Note - good.}

21 Feb 2017 09:29:31
Hi Eds, we scout numerous players throughout the year and was wondering if the interest in Malcolm from Bordeaux is legitimate. I have not seen him a whole lot this year, especially since the most happening young players in Ligue 1 is Mbappe. Thanks Eds.

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{Ed002's Note - Malcom was of interest to Barcelona, Olympique Marseille, Dynamo Kyiv, Chelsea and Juventus before he left Corinthians for a loan at Girodins Bordeaux to gain some experience. At the time he was expected to join Chelsea but the issues surrounding his ownership was a mess, to say the least. Bordeaux worked hard to untangle matters and persuaded the player to sign a permanent deal which ended a very ugly third party ownership deal with multiple parties involved in January 2016. The head of scouting in France for Chelsea has continued to watch Malcom with scouts from Braga, Juventus, Porto, Liverpool, Southampton, Manchester United and I imagine others taking an interest and watching him play.}

21 Feb 2017 11:52:36
Ruthless on footy man that lad.

Where screwed if the eds started giving us them for answers haha.

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20 Feb 2017 17:49:15
Just heard we signed a 16 year old french lad called larouci. No idea if it's true just thought I would share. Was the under 16 captain at Le harve and is due to arrive in a cpl of weeks.

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21 Feb 2017 11:53:49
Yeah on a free. Ask ed if he is avaliabke to play if he's signed.

Academy that produced pogba, payet and mahrez. There captain. Next big thing apparently. Ffing fingers crossed he's not ngog pt2.

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21 Feb 2017 22:16:24
The same academy that gave us Florent Sinama Pongolle and Le Tallec.

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20 Feb 2017 14:03:28
Eds I remember you mentioning interest in Mariano of Real Madrid in January. I've never seen him play or heard of him, is he any good? can't understand why we would go for him unless he will make a huge difference to the first team upfront? As we already have Origi and Ings fighting Firmino with Sturridge looking to be out the door for next season. Anyone else watched him and got an opinion? Cheers.

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{Ed002's Note - Scouts watch players all of the time and Liverpool are interested in Mariano. I have no way of quantifying if he is "any good".}

20 Feb 2017 15:17:10
Looks as though another striker will be out the door then most likely Ings.

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20 Feb 2017 19:05:46
sturridge out before ings imo.

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19 Feb 2017 15:36:23
Hi Eds, I know there has been talk about Goetze and Brandt, so I thought I might make a trifecta and ask about Max Meyer. There was rumours of interest last January and there was rumours of interest in the summer. How do you rate him and do you think he may be a option. Cheers.

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{Ed002's Note - Meyer does however fit the bill of a young attacking midfield player which prompted previous bids from Chelsea (who would have sent him on loan for at least one season before integrating him in to the squad) and Fiorentina in 2014. Schalke 04 do not want to sell the player and made it clear to Spurs and Milan who were showing an interest this past summer that any move was unlikely. The player has shared his desire to play in Spain with Real Madrid or Barcelona or to play in England. Other sides such as Bayern Munich, Liverpool and Arsenal watched him last season but had no real interest. If Liverpool were to lose Coutinho and/or Firmino he could be a player they may look to. Spurs remain interested but Shalke want to keep him so they might return in the summer but right now there is nothing going on that I am aware of.}

19 Feb 2017 20:38:37
Cheers Ed002, do Liverpool have any risk of losing key players this summer. Obviously qualifying for CL will be a big factor, but let's go with if we don't could some teams be flying above like vultures waiting to swoop in.

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{Ed002's Note - If players are to arrive then players need to leave Harry.}

19 Feb 2017 20:57:52
Cheers.

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19 Feb 2017 09:38:57
Hey ed002 are we returning to chillwell?

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{Ed002's Note - The Leicester manager says that there has been no contact with the three Premier League sides (Liverpool, Spurs and Arsenal) interested in Chilwell since the summer. He also explained that Chilwell is young and has a great future ahead of him and expects Leicester will have to deal with further approaches in the summer.}

19 Feb 2017 10:32:33
If they go down he could be an option I guess.

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19 Feb 2017 11:42:08
He hasn't impressed me at all this season I'm picturing him being skinned by mirallas earlier in the season and yesterday he couldn't stop the goal. He reminds me a lot of Moreno actually acceptable going forward suspect defensively but he's a couple of years younger and English. Personally at the moment I'm glad we missed that boat.

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19 Feb 2017 18:25:23
Now you see why Klopp prolly thought he wasn't worth the 10m LC was asking for.

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19 Feb 2017 22:21:46
like most modern full backs he has not got a clue about defending, they are nothing more than glorified attackers, the actual defending part, the part they should be good at they fail completely.

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20 Feb 2017 18:54:58
@Hamilton hm not sure Klopp decides pricing for players. That probably sits more with Ayre or Edwards.

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21 Feb 2017 13:57:00
maybe but i would have thought Klopp has a budget to work to and he will decide who he prefers to spend the budget on. if the askiing price of a player is 10m and he doesn't think its worth it he will likely look elsewhere.

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18 Feb 2017 03:11:31
Hello Ed002, it's been a while. I hope you are doing well. I listened to the Liverpool related Sharkopod, but it has been a while since then and I was wondering if you can maybe do another one the players LFC are looking at? If a pod is too much of trouble now, I and others would be pretty thrilled to hear about them on a post.

Thanks!

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{Ed002's Note - I will be doing some further Sharkopods soon. Keep in mind that there was also the Klopp interview in one of the Final Day Shapkods as well p may get himback in to do another.}


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