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27 Jun 2017 14:11:36
Hi eds ia there any news on markovich departing. Thank you.

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{Ed001's Note - I thought he had already agreed a deal to join Marco Silva again? Or am I getting mixed up?}

27 Jun 2017 15:25:45
They just talked on skype but nothing has been agreed officially yet. Think he's waiting for any offers from bigger foreign clubs that might come in from Italy or the like. But I Reckon Silva's dressing room would be the best place for him.

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27 Jun 2017 15:37:34
Did Markovic and Marco Silva talk on Skype?

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27 Jun 2017 15:45:05
They both had a drink too many, it was a one time thing. Honest mistake, could've happened to anybody.

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27 Jun 2017 16:02:13
I bet the Skype happened in Blackpool and they exchanged videos too.

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27 Jun 2017 16:07:05
I think they had a cup of tea at Watford Gap services with Tim Lovejoy.

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27 Jun 2017 18:43:25
So we should file our own tapping complaint, claim victim then raise the price.

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27 Jun 2017 10:07:20
Hi Ed's,

You had advised that LFC have shifted focus from Keita to AOC, reports emerged last night that contact had been made about availability. Is it a deal you can see having potential to proceed? Within the said report it suggests relations are still strained following the Suarez confusion a couple years back.

Your time is, as always, appreciated

JJ.

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{Ed001's Note - the only issue is those strained relations, so I do expect the deal to end up being made.}

27 Jun 2017 10:21:57
Superb, thanks for the swift reply. Have good day.

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{Ed001's Note - welcome, take care mate.}

27 Jun 2017 10:38:25
ed01 what is the reason why ox wants to leave? clearly every arsenal fan i have talked to said he was their best player after alexis and that he had taken starting place in the team regularly especially later in the season. I have a feeling he could be real gem.

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{Ed001's Note - I have never met an Arsenal fan that thinks that personally and he is keen to join Liverpool because it is the team he supports. He also wants more regular first team football.}

27 Jun 2017 10:48:31
ed is it one or the other or would we still try to get keita this summer?

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{Ed001's Note - I am getting deja vu. How many times do I need to reply to this same question?}

27 Jun 2017 10:52:59
One more time ed.

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{Ed001's Note - you sound like my missus.}

27 Jun 2017 10:55:07
Its him wanting more first team football that concerns me ed. Lallana or Wijnaldum look like getting less game time then? We just seem stacked in the CM department mate don't we?

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{Ed001's Note - we are hoping to have more games.}

27 Jun 2017 10:58:19
read most days ed not seen anyone ask it sorry.

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{Ed001's Note - I have answered it loads mate.}

27 Jun 2017 11:01:36
So basically we are indulging him in his teenage Steven Gerrard fantasy then? When did we stop being a football club and start becoming 'make a wish'?

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{Ed001's Note - no, Klopp rates him as a player.}

27 Jun 2017 11:35:04
It was a joke btw I should of put that in.

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27 Jun 2017 11:16:29
I have to admit Ed001, I'm not a religious man, but I'm praying Ox signs that contract at Arsenal. I just can't see what Klopp sees in him. He's just not got the intelligence to play centre midfield.

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27 Jun 2017 11:29:28
do you rate ox Eds?

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{Ed001's Note - not really.}

27 Jun 2017 12:06:23
Hopefully just a stop gap the Leipzig have a bad season and we grab keita and Werner next season.

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27 Jun 2017 12:12:53
Same as you, Hansens. I don't know what Klopp sees in Ox that would make him think he can be good for us. I have read all types crap about him being the best Arsenal player after Alexis (what that what? ), or that he is English hence, he's good or made up stats to make him look good or the appalling and funniest of them all, that Ox is better than Lallana (now, that was enuff to make me almost quit posting on this forum), and frankly I don't know what people are smoking. BUT if Klopp wants him then I will back him cos if Ox does well then, LFC succeeds which is all I want in the end.

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27 Jun 2017 12:24:33
If we sign ox, I'm going to be insistent on one of 3 things. A director of football to oversee transfers 2. A new manager or 3. At the very least, a visit to the optometrist. What a sad, underwhelming signing. Would be better with youth or just handing me the 25 million. Dumb.

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27 Jun 2017 12:32:14
If we sign him I hope he shuts the 'supporters' slagging him off up. Same thing happened with gini last year and look what he's done for us this season.

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27 Jun 2017 13:05:31
I too believe he would be a good purchase for the rumoured price. He is only 23 and has a relative wealth of experience (CL too) . I know he is injury prone. But he has proved he is versatile and can surely only improve. It's a poor barometer but I've seen many an Arsenal fan on the internet bemoan that he hasn't been resigned yet.

Just my two penneth.

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27 Jun 2017 13:34:44
Hi eds, does klopp see ox as a cm or a winger? Or is it the versatility that attracts him? Highly underrated player imo. Injury free and he could be one of best in the world.

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{Ed001's Note - central mid but the versatility is a big bonus. One of the best in the world? Seriously?}

27 Jun 2017 13:37:10
RedTed21 how is pointing out Ox's deficiencies slagging him off? Fact is that when he plays centre midfield against proper bona fide centre midfielders he comes up well short. Been proven time and again, all he does is chase shadows and give the all away. He lacks the composure and the intelligence. It just baffles me and defies any reason and logic, that if you're buying a centre midfielder, why on earth you would settle on a winger with delusions of grandeur?

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27 Jun 2017 13:52:46
Well put it this way gini was a winger at Newcastle, people thought very similar things about him as people aren't saying about ox, klopp clearly likes ox like he did gini so klopp clearly has the nack for developing players and making them fit his system. Something he will do with ox? So there's no need to see he's not a decent player when he is. I'm not saying he's going to be a starting xi player but he'll definitely get chances and I want him to show you people what he can do because he does have talent clearly some people cannot see it.

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{Ed001's Note - people said Gini had a poor attitude, no one said he lacked technical quality, totally different. No one is questioning Ox's mentality or attitude, just his ability.}

27 Jun 2017 14:54:13
If I remember correctly Ed001 there was a few on here saying he wasn't good enough and I'd imagine it'd be a similar few who say the same about ox.

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{Ed001's Note - I do not remember that.}

27 Jun 2017 15:03:06
Ed001, I have to take issue with your claim that Ox supports LFC. I have a link to an interview where he clearly states he has been an Arsenal fan for many years. Peace!

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27 Jun 2017 15:10:11
Fair enough Ed001, if we sign ox do you think klopp can develop him into a much better player?

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{Ed001's Note - better, yes, but I don't see much improvement available as he is just not technically good enough. I like his energy and enthusiasm, but technically he does not impress me at all.}

27 Jun 2017 15:10:42
I find it amazing LFCfans see OXs attributes and don't understand why Klopp is interested. Pace, power, strong positionally and versatile. If you were reviewing CVs at your local Kloppissons he would definitely get an interview.

Admittedly be lucky to start first team unless we went three at the back and he becomes the wing back.

Benchwise though he certainly improves our depth.

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27 Jun 2017 15:21:46
Thanks Ed001 and I agree karius hair game that he makes our bench stronger but not the starting xi, would definitely improve depth problems.

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27 Jun 2017 15:23:04
Is Ox bad ability wise? I not sure I agree. I don't think he is a world class talent (nor the potential for it) but he does had the potential to be a very good player with the right guidance. He also has the benefit of experience of all types of games in both Prem and Europe and has won trophies. He is also versatile and while I agree he cannot play in a deep CM role he can play a more advanced one and is familiar with wing play (a role I suspect he is being recruited for)

I don't think he is a teriible signing but could definitely be hit or miss. Price is really irrelevant to us fans anyway and when considering new players only 2 questions should be asked from a managerial perspective (leave the money to money men)
1. Is this player something we need?
2. Is this player good enough to fulfil that need?

The answers :
1.One of the roles we need is a versatile back up for our paper thin squad who is capable of playing in a few positions and may be ok with sitting on the bench a while - Yes he fits that
2. Is he good enough for that? I'd argue yes.

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27 Jun 2017 15:35:09
well i don't agree with ed on this one but appreciate his opinion. would like us to sign him now and see how he does lol. I actually find him really good with the ball and every time i watched him he was danger. Just my opinion.

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27 Jun 2017 15:39:27
Why is noon3 mentioning his injury record

Thats my problem. he's worse than studge.

6 years at arsenal. 129 games btw. If he was going to improve pretty sure he would have.

Hows he going to manage in a hugh pressing team if he can't manage in a possession arsenal team.

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27 Jun 2017 15:43:26
I'll go on record saying I did not and do not rate gini. He often goes missing, he's not creative, his passing is ok at best and he's not a good tackler. I'm hoping to see him as a sub in the coming seasons. He certainly isn't good enough to be a starter. I watched every game this season and never saw a performance that warranted all the praise he's gotten. He's mediocre at best. Just a body to throw on the field.

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27 Jun 2017 16:04:40
Ox is not a backup plan to keita. He is seen as a viable squad player who can fill a number of roles. Klopp likes the versatility of ox but not seen as a centre midfielder.

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27 Jun 2017 16:25:18
At best he's squad filler and a square peg in a round hole as he isn't an improvement in centre midfield, because he hasn't the ability to be a top class centre midfielder, you need brains and guile as well as a good engine (which let's face it, Ox's engine would fail its MOT on any given day) . He has has been demonstrated time and again against superior opponents that he simply cannot compete in the position Klopp wants to buy him for, I personally don't like the idea of square pegs in round holes, horses for courses for me (idiom overload there) . We need to be signing players who will improve the starting XI, not just filling the squad with bench fodder, for example Salah improves the starting XI as he is one of the most exciting attacking players in Europe, has bags of pace, is intelligent on the ball and off of it.

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27 Jun 2017 16:34:38
Fulham, Southampton, and Arsenal. Are there any other clubs that have 'strained relationships' with LFC because they've tasted our special slime? : (.

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27 Jun 2017 16:42:14
Backup player for £25m? How's this for an idea - spend £25m on a proper left back instead and use our existing English utility midfielder as backup.

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27 Jun 2017 17:05:15
LFCPessimist, Boro, Fiorentina, Stoke, Chelsea at a guess.

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27 Jun 2017 17:26:07
Well, my bet is that oir english utility midfielder, filling in at LB, will be filling in at RB come august. This depending on the arrival of a leftfooted LB of course.

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27 Jun 2017 17:32:39
I do rate ox as a player and hopefully his injury record will improve now his body has matured . I remember Gerrard getting plenty of injuries at start or his career . I'm not saying that ox will be anywhere near as good as Gerrard but just talking about his fitness . I think a fit ox will get plenty of games and we will need a good squad not just a great starting 11 . We could have 50-60 games to play . I'm sure we have funds still for left back that we desperately need .

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27 Jun 2017 17:57:41
LFCOHIO completely disagree about Gini. He keeps our midfield ticking, runs his ass off, contributes goals and assists. This was his first year with the club. What more does he have to show? I feel he will be vital to the club moving forward. Kind of like Lallana, I see Gini improving this year and next.
Just my opinion
Matt in FL.

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27 Jun 2017 19:06:40
Taking everything that has been said into account the real question that nobody has asked, is Ox strong enough?

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27 Jun 2017 19:24:22
Verdo you legend.

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27 Jun 2017 09:31:12
Hi Ed. News reporting liverpool escaped FA punishment due to lack of evidence. Is this what they erre waiting to hear now they can offically appproach Sfc for Vvd. Do you expect a bid now the tapping up is closed.

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{Ed001's Note - I don't know, it depends on who you ask as to what answer you get. It seems there are some who expect us to make an official move for him now we are free to do so. Others think that FSG will not allow it after the embarrassment of the apology they forced the club to make. Basically it looks like it will come down to how much power FSG will exert over the running of the club. If they are keeping a tight rein, there will be no bid, if they are letting the club run itself, then we will go back for him.}

27 Jun 2017 09:48:37
Is it true we have escaped fa punishment ed001? Seems like guess work from what I can find?

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{Ed001's Note - I have no idea.}

27 Jun 2017 10:39:26
If the case ends up officially rested, are there any chance that S'hampton may come out with a apology for LFC to clence the name, or will they still state that Liverpool did them wrong? IMO it would be the right thing to follow through with the VVD deal, if S'hampton allows. For the sake of club, the fans and Virgil. We put him and ourself in a difficult situation with this, we need to seal the deal to swipe it clean.

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27 Jun 2017 10:57:41
Ed when you say depends who you ask do you mean withing the club there are mixed thoughts, or just fans like me guessing lol?

We should just leave it now imo and not go back in and back on our word.

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{Ed001's Note - within the club I was referring to. Sorry I should have made that clear.}

27 Jun 2017 11:03:35
VVD will end up at Chelsea. We've seen to that. Seeing that Ox was the back up option for centre midfield, I dread to think who the back up option to VVD is.

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27 Jun 2017 11:53:16
No probs ed sorry mate probably me being dumb lol.

Are you with me in thinking we should now leave it well alone? A TR from the player changes things I guess.

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{Ed001's Note - I never wanted us to sign him, so yes, steer well clear.}

27 Jun 2017 12:16:18
I never thought he was good enough either as his flaws are well documented but I think we should just let this one go as well Ed cos the well is poisoned right now even tho, I think we left VVD in limbo and we may need to wipe the slate clean by trying to do a deal. Hard choices really.

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27 Jun 2017 14:50:03
Investigation dropped UNLESS new evidence surfaces.
Important to remember this.

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27 Jun 2017 09:20:11
Hi Ed's, any idea what the clubs plans are for the likes of Randall, brannagan, steward, chiravella and ojo, do they have any future at the club?

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{Ed001's Note - Chrivella and Ojo are most likely to be loaned out, the others are available.}

27 Jun 2017 10:03:47
Thanks ed the your info is appreciated as always.

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{Ed001's Note - you are very welcome.}

27 Jun 2017 14:04:02
Madger Gomez has gone to Leeds and I thought I saw somewhere that Branagan and Randall had new clubs or at least offers.

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27 Jun 2017 00:26:49
Reading liverpool have bid £25 mil for the ox this evening.

EmreCanCan.

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27 Jun 2017 05:58:32
I heard it was £25 Million and a penny.

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27 Jun 2017 06:41:41
So who has bid, reading or Liverpool :)

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{Ed001's Note - obviously both. Big move from Reading, shows some real ambition.... ;-)

27 Jun 2017 06:46:08
Reading are about Ox's level!

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27 Jun 2017 10:25:41
Ed01,you know the way that if a player has an "o" sounding at the end of his name he sounds sexy and the price goes up, if Ox had one, do you think we'd be in a stew?
I'll get my coat.

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{Ed001's Note - groan.}

27 Jun 2017 11:05:50
C'mon you arghRRs!

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27 Jun 2017 12:17:26
That will be a major signing for Reading, not for us.

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26 Jun 2017 22:58:52
Keita wants to leave and Liverpool will have a bid of 68M + add ons accepted within a fortnight.

YNWA.

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26 Jun 2017 23:35:59
Nostradamus?

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26 Jun 2017 23:42:45
why no other teams after him and only Liverpool? Any obvious reason?

Why not Spurs, Juv, RM, Barcelona after him if he is so good.

Cheers.

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27 Jun 2017 00:00:17
Got Saturday's winning lottery numbers as well while yer at it there Mystic Meg?

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26 Jun 2017 23:53:53
Decent.

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27 Jun 2017 00:20:29
I don't see it happening. Great if it does not the end of the world if it doesn't.

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27 Jun 2017 00:27:37
Awesome Skezza, what's the lotto numbers next week?

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27 Jun 2017 00:48:40
No bids have been placed for Ox and Keita.

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27 Jun 2017 03:13:14
Because they don't need him £68m bad.

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27 Jun 2017 06:07:20
Couple of general questions about the transfer process here. Apologies if done already. During the transfer window we all get a bit excited when we read these headlines; 'Liverppol bid £xxxm for player y' etc. How long is it taking these journos to get the information and how much time are the club investing into completing these deals. When I went to bed, no bids submitted for Ox or Keita, wake up and reports of bids. (10pm - 5am) Do they (whoever 'they' are) work round the clock until a deal is done? Work nights, get em drunk and try and get away with a lower offer? Are they in teams working shifts? My estimation is that the people involved in a transfer are normal people with families and need to go home to eat and sleep like we all do. I reckon the media are either getting info late or are fabricating stories for paper sales. (Probably the latter) .

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{Ed001's Note - it is the latter usually. It is very very rare that bids go in. However it is not exciting enough for the tabloids to say that Liverpool phoned up to ask if X is available for transfer. That is not a story, but Liverpool putting in a bid for X sounds exciting, even if it is not true.}

27 Jun 2017 07:31:42
Ed1, may I ask how a deal is worked out after the initial contact please? For example, Liverpool have enquired about the availability of Player Y (for this case we'll assume they haven't tapped him up) . How would a fee be calculated from there? Is it as simple as finding a middle ground between what the buying club wish to pay and what the selling club wish to receive?

Thanks.

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{Ed001's Note - not quite that simple, as there is also the details such as when the payments are received, in what amounts at a time, if there are add ons, potentially buy-back clauses and many other minor details too.}

27 Jun 2017 07:54:53
Maxlfc, Nostradamus is to become our chief scout 😁.

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27 Jun 2017 08:41:14
I have also heard that our home kit next season will be Red and we'll be fielding 11 players for our first game.

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27 Jun 2017 08:22:52
Thanks Ed1. Is it the minor details details that usually make the negotiations last so long or is it just the overall process?

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{Ed001's Note - usually ironing out the details, though payment terms are not really minor.}

27 Jun 2017 09:36:25
11 players all in red Skezza? Now there's a scoop! We are playing with no keeper next season! Mind you some would say we've had no keeper for the last 4 years. ;-)

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26 Jun 2017 21:49:48
Some reports coming out we are trying to sign Lucas Moura from PSG for 26 million. Don't know if true only just read it.

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26 Jun 2017 22:54:15
Would be a great singing but i don't really think these reports are up to date. We allready singned Salah and another winger would mean someone won't get regular first time football and for someone how is a regular for the best team in france and a regular in the CL i don't see why he should come to us.

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27 Jun 2017 01:29:34
Good enough for X factor crammie? 😂😂.

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27 Jun 2017 12:19:18
Lucas Moura links are at least 18 months old and besides, we already have Salah so that should tell the OP that the Moura links are just nonsense.

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25 Jun 2017 21:58:41
I've searched for this but can't see anything. I've just heard now that Leipzig have slapped €80m on keita. Anything on this eds?

Looks like Liverpool are being made to spend big for their stupid mistake.

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{Ed002's Note - They don't need the money and don't want to sell. Hence a figure that would be too good to turn down.}

25 Jun 2017 22:18:07
Is he worth that? No.
Do RBL want to sell? No.
Does Keita want to leave? No.
Have the eds said we sustain an interest? No.

Leave it now.

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25 Jun 2017 22:27:52
80m euro is really not that much, when you consider a 70m price tag for VVD.

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25 Jun 2017 22:58:45
Yes they have.

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25 Jun 2017 23:03:07
And now they have quoted a price of 80 mil euros for him indicating he could be sold which is good news.

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26 Jun 2017 00:59:47
I don't know why everybody don't want a player for it cost. This transfer window is very important because we are already very strong and we just need to reinforce our weaknesses (lb cb cm rw) and if we have the money we should pay what it is needed because if we sign all the players we need apart from having a quality squad depth and being ready for all the competition we play I'm sure we will be able to win the league and start our hegemony in this premier league era.
Just 190m more to start our era (vandijk 70m keita 80m mendy 40m)
I know it won't happen but I have hope that we are really close to be successful again.

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26 Jun 2017 08:04:29
At the end of the day, It's not our money, Why are the fans worrying about transfer fees haha.

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26 Jun 2017 08:44:22
The price doesn't matter, it's all relative.
Alun Evans cost us £100,000 from Wolves in 1968.

Eyewateringly ridiculous amounts of money being thrown around, we thought, back then.

Can you imagine what the prices will be i ten years time?
One day a club will pay £1 Billion for a player.

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26 Jun 2017 08:50:24
Whether it is my money or not is a false argument and a non-entity. I don't want my club spending ridiculous sums of money on players who are simply not worth it. Keita has only had one season in a top league in Europe and a 70m fee for such a player regardless of his talent which Keita is indeed talented, is a risk that FSG won't sanction and I support them on that front.

The fact is that Keita is no 50m player and this is coming from someone who has seen him play lots of times. He is very good but is definitely NOT 50m or 70m pound good. Even Mbappe is no 100m player.

RBL don't want to sell. Player does not want to leave and RBL don't need the money. Take a hint, genius! If a girl is sending you these types of signals during courtship and you can't figure it out then I fear for you. Keita nor RBL are just not that into you. Move on and stop being a stage 9 clinger.

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26 Jun 2017 08:54:35
Guess the question is, do we got out and lash big money on one of the brightest centre midfield talents in Europe or do we lash big money (but considerably less) out on someone who isn't a centre midfielder and is nowhere near as good as the primary target. Because the second option is largely what we've been doing for the last 20 years or so and part of the reason we've always fallen short.

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26 Jun 2017 09:06:31
The €80mio was a pricetag that the "Bild" in Germany reported on. The Bild in Germany is like the Sun in England.

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26 Jun 2017 09:09:52
There is no guarantee that Naby Keita will cut it in the EPL and for 80m it is not worth the risk. We have plenty of quality MF's. Gini, Hendo, Lallana, Can and it looks like Coutinho will be taking an MF role as well next season so for 80M euros I would forget it.

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26 Jun 2017 10:23:30
I jaye mancs no doubt about that but what madinho said last year is true. no sense of Money these days.

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26 Jun 2017 10:41:32
Fairenough Brussels, but money in football is mad. Is anybody worth 50m or 100k+ a week to live football? No. But that's how it is.

You have to take The massive figures being thrown with a pinch of salt ha. It's how the game is now. id rather Liverpool bought the brightest players out there.

Regarding rbl not wanting to sell, Everybody has a price. Clearly you ain't that good at courting 👍🏼
Fsg were going to sanction a mega deal for VVD, why wouldn't they do it for a younger player who bossed the German league?

Everybody has opinions and I respect that. But I want my club to sign the best players out there, regardless of the fees.

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26 Jun 2017 13:32:35
Can someone tell me what type of midfielder he is please and who he is similar to. i've never seen him play, is he box to box, deep lying playmaker, dm or what. thanks in advance.

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26 Jun 2017 13:56:19
Why would RBL suddenly slap this price tag on him, if he has no wish to leave?

Also he can leave for less next summer, due to his release clause, apparently.

This may run on an on, but this move by RBL suggests he may well be leaving this summer.

Is he worth it? Hard to tell. The transfer fees have suddenly gapped up by a huge margin this summer: last year's 40 million seems to be this year's 70 million.

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{Ed002's Note - Any release clause is of NO RELEVANCE TO LIVERPOOL whatsoever.}

26 Jun 2017 14:56:45
i think this rumour was started by an Italian journalist of dubious reputation. I think Naby Keita would fit the role Klopp had earmarked for Coutinho next season. No way would either of them want to sit and watch the other play most of the big games. In theory NB could come in and Couts go but I cannot see this happening and certainly hope it isn´t happening. All will be revealed in a few weeks and we have a CL qualifier in mid August, barely 7 weeks away, so have to have things done and dusted by then.

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26 Jun 2017 15:29:35
I think we have a good chance of landing kieta. I would expect the fee to be closer to 40 mil than 70/ 80. I'd be a much happier fan when we sort out our defensive problems ie cb lb. Anything other than that is bonus as we have one of the most creative and deadly attacks in the world.

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26 Jun 2017 15:43:26
Raphael Honigstein which to my knowledge is one of the most trustworthy sources in Germany, has said the he wants to leave and is available, but the price remains the same as they do not need nor want to sell.

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26 Jun 2017 16:53:50
The German journalist is highly regarded so I take him at his word. Now, RBL don't need to sell so they are happy with taking us to the cleaners for a player who is like it or not, unproven in Europe and has had only one good season in Germany. Those are the facts. Now if we want to pay for such a talented player then we should pay what we think he is worth and that is 50m (even tho that is too high, IMO but I'll bite) . I know the TW is crazy with crazy money being thrown around but that does not mean we should do the same. I was for Salah coming for 35m to 40m cos he is proven and more proven than Keita is so how can people explain that we should pay 70m for a player who is less proven than Salah? This is just a simple and logical question. H will be a big risk, even bigger than Pogba who was and is proven before he got signed for 89m. That's my beef.

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{Ed002's Note - It is nothing to do with Pogba. Did you obsess about comparing in the showers at school?}

26 Jun 2017 20:02:48
What is 'the sun' you talk about, never heard of it?

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{Ed025's Note - its a big yellow round ball in the sky.. :)

26 Jun 2017 20:47:19
£70m for VVD and £70m for Keita. Liverpool are going to break all kinds of transfer records as well as probably having the highest wage bill in Europe.

It is ok though, not the fans money even if LFC cannot actually afford that kind of expenditure :-)

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26 Jun 2017 22:10:14
If it's the right player we should pay the money. How many were saying the money we spent on mane and wanjama (spelling) in particular was way over the top last year!

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26 Jun 2017 22:37:45
Fans have a short memory when the club was on the verge of bankruptcy. H and G borrowed money left right and centre from the banks to keep the club running when the club could not afford it.

There is much more money in football now but that does not mean LFC can sustain a transfer window of £200m plus mountains of wages.

The club is taking on debt under FSG. Luckily not through the banks :-) LFC's debt continues to grow, FSG fit the bill. Not a very healthy situation to be in, for FSG or the LFC.

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25 Jun 2017 12:56:19
Eds

Any update on LB targets? most of news seems focused on VVD, Keita, Ox but concerned no real momentum towards signing a specific target is evident for our weakest position, LB. City seems to have leg up on Mendy.

respect.

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{Ed002's Note - There is nothing new.}

25 Jun 2017 13:38:40
agreed redordeadJA - the lack of movement is frustrating. I would want a complete squad by August. The first CL qualifier on 15th/ 16th August is one of our biggest games in last few years. Certainly need the defence sorted by then.

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25 Jun 2017 18:08:13
The transfer window is shut 😎.

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25 Jun 2017 19:18:57
Question for Ed01, how successful, if at all, have LFC being at stemming the insiders info to the media and others? Of course they can't control the info flow from agents and the other side.

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{Ed001's Note - obviously terrible or no one would have known what was going on with regards to Salah and VVD.}

25 Jun 2017 19:44:41
They leak information purposely or was doing so to get an advantage. It backfired with the VVD one.

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25 Jun 2017 22:16:11
Need to relax, there is still plenty of time to get out transfers in.
In klopp we trust.

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25 Jun 2017 21:55:20
Sorry Ed01, I was referring to Post VvDgate as the only speculation in the media seems to be linking us with players you and other Eds have discounted. I get the feeling that the flow has been reduced as I'm guessing we will get a CB and LB at least and all we are seeing are old stories rehashed.

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{Ed001's Note - everyone knew about Salah. It is more because the club have been forced to rethink the way they conduct transfers by the FA's possible action.}

26 Jun 2017 08:17:27
How can anyone downvote Ron's post? Factually 100% true.

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26 Jun 2017 13:00:20
Same with all my posts Andy 🤠.

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24 Jun 2017 23:03:50
apparently saints now asking £70m for vvd if any club will meet it, any updates ed001 mate do you reckon klopp will pull out all the stops this time?

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{Ed001's Note - Saints have not changed their stance on VVD at all.}

25 Jun 2017 08:33:01
Surely there are better alternatives out there for much cheaper.

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25 Jun 2017 08:41:11
£70m for Liverpool and £56m for Chelsea! We've more chance of signing Dick Van Dyke.

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25 Jun 2017 08:48:58
I think it's 70m to whoever signs him.

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25 Jun 2017 09:32:39
Best to walk away. You could get 2 decent CH for that.

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25 Jun 2017 09:40:14
Totally agree 70 mill is a lot of money for a defender. Could get a LB and a decent CH for that money and still have change.

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25 Jun 2017 09:43:16
I think after all that's gone on and what we are trying to achieve we bite the bullet and move on guys hung his jacket on our nail Jurgens had the chat its went pear shaped our mistake we pay for it.

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25 Jun 2017 10:17:08
i think we should pay whatever it takes and learn our lessons.

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25 Jun 2017 10:47:57
70m for vvd. Just pay it who cares its not your money. One player can win you the league. Kante. Schemicheal. hazard. terry etc. Why buy another 30m lovren / sahko. Its quite clear that a striker and left back and holding mid may be coming. With such a dodgy keeper id rather vvd and an average lb.

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25 Jun 2017 11:13:53
This is a guy who is supposedly quick but had to pull down Firmino to stop him. Firmino is not exactly quick and Van Dijk was incredibly lucky not to be sent off. He is average and whoever pays £70m for him is a mug.

Fonte is the player everyone should have been after. He made Lovren look good, and then he made Van Dijk look good. Modern football tends to highlight the more in your face players though. Essentially, Lovren/ VVD were the rash, aggressive players who would ping the fancy passes, whereas Fonte was the guy who never got noticed because he made everything look easy and never made a mistake. His positional sense, reading of the game, and organisational qualities are what made him the glue of Southampton backline. Yet they have nearly conned us into paying £100m for his average partners. Thank god that £70m deal isn't happening because it would be embarrassing.

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25 Jun 2017 11:22:07
Have to agree with MK. You'd have to be half witted to pay to pay anywhere close to that.

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25 Jun 2017 11:23:54
Also the same guy who caught mane to put in a goal saving block. for a cbk he is a great athlete and very quick for his size. As I've said previously being from Scotland I've watched and wanted him from days at celtic. could see he was going to be a top player, a lot of top teams will be kicking themselves as all looked and never took gamble as Spl is a poor standard.

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25 Jun 2017 11:54:39
Spot on Z99.

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25 Jun 2017 11:37:19
May I just add to my previous post. As much as I have always wanted us to sign him, I agree £70m is to much!

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25 Jun 2017 11:37:35
Yes MK I think we also have to be careful of player who look good in lesser teams but struggle to step up a level. We've bought a few big fish in small ponds who now Lin very average in a better team. I would say Mane is a good example of an exception where he has showed the form that made us buy home and still made progress.

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25 Jun 2017 11:47:04
I have to admit that I'm struggling to think of another centre back with the same attributes (physically strong and imposing, dominant in the air, quick and good on the ball) as an alternative as there are none playing in the PL that have all of those attributes and not too many abroad either.

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25 Jun 2017 11:49:14
Its astounding that Klopp, Rogers, their coaches and the scouting team didn't spot that error, MKScouser. Maybe send Jurgen a quick email regarding Fonte and you could save the club a possible 70m. Clueless bunch they must be.

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25 Jun 2017 12:05:00
Koulibaly the cb from napoli is way better and he is two or three times better than vvd really and he would be cheaper.

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25 Jun 2017 12:24:56
Question.
What would happen if Chelsea have a £60m offer accepted and we decided to match that offer?

Would the FA take it upon themselves to look into the transfer, knowing full well the shenanigans we got up to?

Don't get me wrong, I would love to see the addition of VVD but not at the expense of a potential transfer ban.

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{Ed002's Note - It has been done to death.}

25 Jun 2017 12:40:57
I'm sorry mk but pulling down one striker doesn't make you a bad player. I'm not saying he is worth 70 mill, but it's just picking one moment in a season to define him.
Fonte is average too.

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25 Jun 2017 12:48:00
Lallana20, you ever seen Koulibaly? He's like Djimi Traore on pies. Yeah he's a big lad, but he's got the turning circle of the QE2 and is pretty reckless. Yeah, he is strong and very tall, but his football ability is limited to finding Row Z.

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25 Jun 2017 12:48:54
Voronin you can turn a blind eye and pretend that professionals don't get things wrong if you want. I honestly couldn't care less. Lest we forget that their are some absolutely shocking players who have made it to the top of the game before being found out. Particularly in England. Bramble, Shawcross, Caulker to name a few.

Love the guy who tried to use him catching Mane as a defence though. You literally just reiterated my point! He is a highlight reel defender who is constantly making recoveries because he is too oblivious to stop the danger in the first place.

You want a defender as strong and fast? Boateng, Koulibaly, Manolas, Ramos, Varane, Colley, Kompany, Bailly etc. But that is just off the top of one persons head so there can't much more out there who would cost less than £70m, right? Our scouts sometimes need to do their job and stop raiding Southampton.

I am all for giving a player a chance if they sign to prove me wrong. But seeing as the VVD move is now dead, I feel I can express my honest opinion. He is a terrible defender. It says it all that the only positives you are drawing are his physical attributes! Football is a game won by the brain, not the body. The Germans, the Spanish, and the Italians know this which is why they blitz the English at every opportunity.

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25 Jun 2017 13:10:43
Mk vvd is class, good with his feet shown by his free kick abilities, can pass, good physically and marked Sturbridge out the game in both legs of the efl cup, 70m is expensive but he and alderwiereld are the best cbs in the bpl, so we should buy him.

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25 Jun 2017 13:11:19
{Ed002's Note - It has been done to death. }

I do not see why people keep on bringing up this issue Ed002.

People, people, people. Get this into your thick heads. If Liverpool are going to make further approaches for VVD then the FA will step in and sweep clean. How many times does this have to be explained?

If Liverpool stay clear of VVD then nothing else will happen unless we tap up another player.

Why is this so difficult to understand?

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{Ed002's Note - I am not so sure your assumptions are true.}

25 Jun 2017 13:31:35
Young red- vvd only played in the first leg and We were shocking all over the pitch that game.

Vvd is good on his day but looks much better in the saints defence than he would in ours. He gets caught out of position far too often and that would only get highlighted more if he played for us when we have our high back line.

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25 Jun 2017 14:12:51
Boateng - Why would he leave the Bayern for us? Let's be honest!
Koulibaly - Lumpen, clumsy and only quick in a straight line, not quick on the turn and a bit error prone. Napoli are also notoriously hard to deal with.
Manolas - Roma don't need to sell now and he's a bit of a hot head to say the least, walking red card is a fair description, Monchi would make us pay through the nose!
Ramos - I'I presuming you mean Sergio? Thug, not that quick, over rated, poor in the air and a complete liability.
Varane - Never going to happen. Just never going to happen. Real Madrid to Liverpool at a time they just bombed out Pepe.
Colley - No experience at the top level, not convinced personally. Bit wary of the fact his brother plays for Chelsea and they weren't interested.
Kompany - Injury prone and nearing the end of his time at the top, injurues have taken their toll on his pace, always one kick away from time on the treatment table.
Bailly - Do I need to explain why this won't happen?

Personally I'd like us to go for Christensen from Chelsea if Van Dijk isn't an option. He's a real talent. Brilliant defender, quick, decent in the air and a good footballer.

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25 Jun 2017 14:19:20
Hansen's scar we are talking about a seasoned defender here in kalidou koulibaly. you should watch Italian serie A. really. To compare him to jimi traore is a damn right insult to defenders really. This senagelese cb is the real deal try watching his clips.

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25 Jun 2017 14:33:06
"Try watching his clips". I've watched a lot of Serie A and seen Napoli several times, I don't need to watch clips. He's very clumsy and lumpen. He makes Sakho look composed on the ball, hence the Traore comparison.

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25 Jun 2017 13:23:16
Why would it not be Ed?

Are Liverpool going to end up paying what Soton will request? If we go in and haggle then we will make an absolute mockery of ourselves again. If things fall through then Soton will surely go back to the FA as we just added more fuel to the fire.

The only way Liverpool will be able to sign VVD is for LFC to ask Soton to name the price and pay it.

Anything other than that will see Liverpool ending in the cesspool again.
There is not knowing what Soton will ask us to pay but it most definitely is not going to be pocket change. Again, will Liverpool pay Soton's price approching them in the correct manner and if Soton's time is wasted the deal goes nowhere with the player only wanting to join us after tapping him up, what happens then?

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{Ed002's Note - The point is that it is unrelated to any investigation that may be undertaken.}

25 Jun 2017 14:43:26
MY scouser I was in fact using one situation to show his speed just as you did with the point about firmino. And instead if giving him credit for recovery on mane you used it to blame him! When in fact it was Bertrand who was caught out and Vvd got back to cover. but hey that doesn't fit with your story! As I said I've watched him for years not highlights like you stated.

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25 Jun 2017 14:46:16
It won't be 70 will it. Of course not. Newspapers making up ridiculous figures this year. Somewhere between 45/ 50 thank you very much. If we get him and a decent lb I think we will win the league. Trust in klopp, best manager in the league.

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25 Jun 2017 15:19:03
I've been reading every window how we need a Marquee signing, splash the cash etc. If the club feel VVD is right for the money then quit fing off and sign him. And if he does come get behind him and don'moan the first mistake he makes
Matt in FL.

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25 Jun 2017 15:28:55
£70m would likely get you Mendy and De Vrij. need I say any more?

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25 Jun 2017 16:03:23
He doesn't have to be either "class" or "average".
He is certainly NOT average. The standard of centre backs in the premier league is extremely low. VVD is much better than the average defender in the premier league.

I worry about you MKS when you think Gibson is a better defender than VVD. They really are leagues apart in terms of quality.

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25 Jun 2017 19:34:31
MK Scouser, if VVD was such a poor defender and Fonte is a much better player, why is it that Liverpool, Chelsea and Man City want VVD and not Fonte who can be easily bought even now with a fraction of what VVD will cost?

You also mentioned earlier that you think Collins, Dann, Gibson, Yoshida are better than VVD! Honestly, I think you are a little confused man.

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26 Jun 2017 00:07:51
I don't agree that VVD is just an average defender; he is far far better than that. But then I also don't agree with "pay the price and get him and we'll learn our lesson". The prices being bandied about, even before the tapping up revelations, was already too high. And it seems to be a crazy sellers market out there now, particularly when English clubs are involved. It makes no sense at all when you consider that the best player in the League this past season (Kante) was bought for 36 Million, and players who might reach his level or standard (VVD, Keita and Mendy) are being quoted at double, a year later.

We got our LW. Let's go out and get competent LB and RBs, and then scour the market for fair priced players that will strengthen our bench. They are definitely out there. Agreed, EPL teams are flush with funds because of the new TV deal, but that's no reason to forget we were bleeding a million a week just a couple of years ago.

Many will say "what about the other teams that will strengthen? ". I'd say let them. ManU did beautifully with Mourinho and Ibrahimovic, did they? Arsenal imploded as usual, and there is no reason to believe it won't be repeated. ManC needs a rebuild anyway, simply because the squad is old, and not only because they have a new manager. Spurs are a threat but they don't have any glaring weak positions, so how much can they improve? Chelsea won because they added two key players to a squad that already won two years ago, and they got a manager who screwed the players' heads back on straight. Let's not forget we were title contenders on January 1st, before the cracks started showing. We need a minimum 2 players (LW and LB) and probably a maximum of 4 (adding a CB and CM) . And I don't see the need the pay extortionate prices. Both FSG and Klopp seem to be fiscally prudent, so I don't see any problems there. It's just the supporters who start salivating at the bait that is always being thrown at them by the journalists and media.

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26 Jun 2017 15:40:23
I'm intrigued by all the comments about can get a good LB and a CB or two CBS or whatever for less than this price. Yet interestingly none of those posts include details of these players capable of contributing to an EPL winning team that are going on the cheap.

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