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13 Feb 2021 20:25:15
I'm hearing that Klopp has resigned anyone else hear anything?


1.) 13 Feb 2021 20:42:23
I've seen the tweet from Sky Sports News and it's from a blag Sky Sports account. Some people lead sad and pathetic life's that they would go to that trouble.

2.) 13 Feb 2021 21:37:27
It’s all the little sticky sock virgins out spreading nonsense!



30 Jan 2021 12:19:39
Anyone know much about Issa Diop he's only 24 but why is he not getting in the West Ham team?


{Ed002's Note - Craig Dawson playing well has forced ID out of the picture at the moment.}

1.) 30 Jan 2021 12:39:54
Is he any good Ed's? Not seen him play.

{Ed001's Note - Issa Diop player profile

2.) 30 Jan 2021 13:11:39
A compentant CB as the profile says but not £20 million compentant as is being suggested?

3.) 30 Jan 2021 13:16:44
Cheers ed, would you be happy with him as a stop gap?

{Ed001's Note - he would do a job, certainly better than Mustafi. He is a decent back up that's for sure, so yes.}

4.) 30 Jan 2021 13:08:47
Thanks both Eds.

5.) 30 Jan 2021 13:22:05
Ed002 Just reading back on Diop you previously said not to hold our breath about him arriving. Does this still stand or possibly changed because of the injury’s?

{Ed002's Note - One of his representatives has said clubs had been asking about Diop's availability and that included Liverpool, but I am not aware of West Ham looking to sell him knowing that Reed has just returned from loan and Balbuena will become a Free Agent in the summer. They still want James Tarkowski but there is nothing looking like that will happen in the next few days.}

6.) 30 Jan 2021 14:21:03
What exactly is £20m competent these days? Remember Harry Maguire went for £80.i'd say Diop is d best of d crap we've been linked with. Mustafi in a L'pool jersey is the stuff of nightmares.

{Ed047's Note - no way he’d look lush in one of your shirts!

7.) 30 Jan 2021 14:26:17
West ham need a striker. Straight swap divock for diop everyine happy. Tell me there's a chance ed002.

{Ed002's Note - I think it unlikely.}

8.) 30 Jan 2021 14:41:43
Roman saiss was not on the squad with the wolves team. Hope Saiss is also one of lfc centre back shortlist on this january ed. He's better than diop and mustafi.

9.) 30 Jan 2021 14:56:42
I think Saiss is injured as opposed to anything to do with us.

10.) 30 Jan 2021 18:13:56
Any legs to this one Ed’s?

{Ed002's Note - I explained what I know in the post.}



19 Jan 2021 13:03:16
I see the Everton youngsters like the senior players are trained in the art of attempting to end careers. That tackle in the U23 game last night was nothing short of disgraceful.


{Ed025's Note - i have not seen it rudder but by all accounts its terrible..

1.) 19 Jan 2021 14:17:21
It was terrible. Good defending by Sepp and Billy though Rudder 🤙 Lewtas was rightly proud of them after the game.

2.) 19 Jan 2021 17:47:03
Lets not go there again, it’s beyond boring now.

{Ed025's Note - good idea KR..

3.) 19 Jan 2021 19:04:00
Exactly ED25, where does it stop? I don’t hear too many reds going on about when Carragher nearly snapped Nani in half and some of the tackles Souness and Gerard made over the years.

Although I do admit, the game has gone so soft these days it’s cringe on toast to watch.

Imagine Pat Van Der Howe playing now? His rota would be one game on, 12 games off, 3 months in Nick

Bring back those days, that’s what I say.

{Ed025's Note - yeah KR its a game for snowflakes now, tommy smith and jimmy case threw more punches than tyson fury and would complain if they got booked mate.. :)

4.) 19 Jan 2021 19:19:07
Imagine Peter Reid marking Jack Grealish?

VAR would need a sequel.

{Ed025's Note - love it mate..

5.) 19 Jan 2021 19:41:41
I remember having to take my youngest all the way to JJB in Chester to get a signed copy of Graeme Sharpes book in his full Liverpool kit, to get a picture of them together.

The Derby’s were full bloodied back then, but the mutual respect after I thought was commendable, it was never as toxic as it has now become. It’s such a shame IMO the way the game has gone.

The FA Cup finals were my best away day memories . only cos we had to muck into together in the VIP bit on the train that we hadn’t paid for lol.

6.) 19 Jan 2021 19:45:05
There is not much better in football than watching Grealish in pain clutching the part of his shin where his shin pads should be but aren’t.
Apart from Neymar crying (actual real tears)



11 Oct 2020 23:14:19
If it's true we are in negotiations to sign Butland makes me think Allison is going to be out a lot longer than 4 to 6 weeks we are being told.


1.) 12 Oct 2020 09:25:46
No it's crap.

2.) 15 Oct 2020 17:24:06
He can't even get in the Stoke team.



04 May 2020 10:16:57
So John Cross reporting the teams in the bottom six are against resuming the PL in neutral venues. They would only be for it if there was no relegation. What exactly would be the point of resuming? I know what ever happens won't please everyone but to reward teams for failure wouldn't sit right with me. Then who's to say we don't get a second wave during the 20/ 21 season is relegation going to be of the table again?


1.) 04 May 2020 11:22:21
Premier League should schedule all matches at which ever stadium they see fit and if any team refuses to play it award 3 points to the opposition and 0 to the team refusing to play then tick off the games as completed.
If both teams refuse to play award both teams 0 points and tick off the game as being completed.
Pretty sure that the bottom 6 will not refuse to play then.
They may already have the above powers in the rules anyway.

2.) 04 May 2020 11:20:21
I think it is a complete disgrace by the bottom clubs to try to utilise the situation to keep themselves in the premier league. They are in the position they are in justly and if things do resume and it is an if all teams should have the same risk and reward as normal otherwise what is the point in the potential health risk?

Shocking behaviour from the clubs they should be named and shamed and their decision makers put in the stocks and pelted with rotten fruit and veg.

Ok seriously though very poor from those clubs and they should be ashamed of themselves. Another Karen Brady moment of yes let's use the situation to stop us getting relegated.

{Ed002's Note - Just to clarify this, the matter has not been discussed at PL level. There are two rtop six clubs objecting as well. Clearly it is pointless my trying to make the effort to explain the situation on this page as it just ends up with ignorant posts such as this.}

3.) 04 May 2020 13:58:39
Well I don't know what the issue is with the 2 top 6 teams, because firstly i don't know who they are but I can't be a pure coincidence that the bottom 6 clubs are all of the same thinking. Come on, nobody can sell sell this as nothing but self preservation. Which is fine and nothing more than I would expect. The money in the PL is massive for these teams.

{Ed002's Note - You see everything as some sort of conspiracy - the two at the top see the same problem with others toward the bottom - they do not want to lose home advantage.}

4.) 04 May 2020 15:03:26
Ed2 where did my hug post go, we are still mates.

5.) 04 May 2020 17:44:07
Home advantage is a weak argument during this situation. The main advantage is the fans getting behind the team, driving the team forward, even if games are played in there own stadiums, there will be no fans.

Prime example of home advantage recently ( from our pint of view ) is Liverpool needing 4 goals to beat Barcelona In order to progress to the final of the European Cup.

I’ve been to Palace away and it’s like a cauldron when they need to get behind the team, the place is rocking! Without the fans there would be no intimidation at Selhurst Park.

{Ed002's Note - That is not what a number of the teams think.}

6.) 04 May 2020 18:56:05
Agree completely with the OP.

7.) 05 May 2020 09:38:35
The home advantage will be more than just fans. facilities routine and also distance will be key. For home games I'd imagine players meet at the training ground and travel in together in some instances, that feeling can't be replicated at neutral venues.

{Ed001's Note - and familiarity with the ground helps. You would know the places where the lumps and bumps are on the pitch. You would be particularly used to distances and judging them quickly, which is a major advantage for passing the ball over longer distances.}

8.) 05 May 2020 10:14:51
That’s very true ed001, also was it stoke who used to narrow the pitch as much as possible, within the rules, to hem the opponents in? There’s plenty of unseen benefits to playing at home.

However I do think sacrifices will need to be made and can understand why the bottom 6 are unwilling as the consequences are huge. But I really don’t think we should continue if relegation is taken off the table as there is very little point.

{Ed001's Note - this is why the participants in a sport should never be the people to set up the rules it is played by or make the decisions. They have vested interests to protect of their own, rather than just doing what is best for the sport as a whole. This is why an independent body should run football, a difficult decision is needed and an independent body would do so.}

9.) 05 May 2020 10:41:19
That’s a very good point never considered it like that.

IF relegation is taken off the table and they want football to continue, I would draw a line as the table sits and break it into play offs for European places.

RelegatIon should only be ruled out if the league cannot continue.

10.) 05 May 2020 11:24:04
The Government advice is that; if neutral venues are used, it will be stadiums that are outside of city centres. This means places where the police can control any possible crowds coming to the stadium. Places Like the Olympic Stadium.

It is simply not going to happen that all stadiums are used, so somebody will have to accept a neutral venue any how.

That is, if the season is played out.

11.) 05 May 2020 18:14:24
I think that the best option IF we are to restart the Premier League, and the teams may go with this.

Only relegate two teams; Leeds and West Brom get promoted. This would mean that the two getting relegated could receive 50% more parachute payment as the Premier League are saving by not relegating a third team and therefore awarding 50% more to the teams that do go down, wouldn't cost a penny.

It would also mean that no playoffs need to be played, and thus reducing the number of matches that need to be played.

I know it doesn't suit absolutely everybody, but I'm sure that Norwich would take it just for the extra 50% as they're pretty much gone.

I also realise that it's a bit out there. Is there any possibility of something along this scenario being proposed, Ed002?

{Ed002's Note - The Premier League have not yet discussed how to end the season if the games cannot be paid but are aware of what other countries have done and what plans have been made by those who are looking to resume. There is nothing along these lines.}




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31 Aug 2021 17:31:55
A four year deal for Philips . Please leave our club FSG. I'm sick of this.


1.) 31 Aug 2021 17:42:19
Please leave our site Rudder. I'm sick of you. Unlike FSG owning shares in the club, you don't have any interest in this site either.

2.) 31 Aug 2021 17:48:11
Not gona lie but think that's brilliant news, was a warrior and with matip and gomez loving a good injury its good business.

I'd still like an option upfront maybe a cavani/ ronaldo type short term.

Dare I say mandzukic hahahah if I'm clutching :0.

3.) 31 Aug 2021 17:48:37
The OP has gone Rudderless! Have a pint mate.

4.) 31 Aug 2021 17:51:36
Rudder I would actually enjoy you leaving the website.

5.) 31 Aug 2021 17:51:36
I doubt FSG were solely responsible for giving Nat Philips a new contract.

6.) 31 Aug 2021 17:44:30
Is it just me or are our ‘supporters’ getting ever more embarrassing!

{Ed025's Note - yes johnny..

7.) 31 Aug 2021 17:53:22
You surely have to be a troll lad, nobody could possibly be this braindead in reality.

8.) 31 Aug 2021 17:54:16
In fairness in all my years supporting L'pool i've never seen a 5th choice centreback in his mid twenties get a new 4 year contract. Surely this is to protect his value with him going on loan for the season. Otherwise your handing a new multi year contract with higher wages to a guy who's little hope of making matchday squads never mind actually getting on the pitch.

9.) 31 Aug 2021 17:54:38
Phillips as a 5th choice is not bad at all.

We have some security in a area that was problematic all of last season.

Fingers crossed the other 4 are over their injury problems of last season and if they're, I'm sure a move will be open for Nat next summer 👍.

10.) 31 Aug 2021 17:59:42
Too many armchair managers/ owners and too many spoilt children visiting this site at the moment.

11.) 31 Aug 2021 18:09:13
Phillips is a great bloke, good defender, helped us get out of a mess last season. I’m a big fan of his as he is an absolute warrior. He’d stick his head where others wouldn’t put their feet.

To the OP. Stick on a Lee ‘Scratch’ Perry, spark up a large doobie, crack open a red stripe and chill. Only time will tell if the action (or lack of it) will work.

12.) 31 Aug 2021 18:11:06
JH, I thought the very same thing as well. This is done to protect his value moving forward. As for the OP and his comment, FSG and JWH prolly don’t know who Nat Phillips is and don’t handle contract extensions either. The post is pretty weird.

13.) 31 Aug 2021 18:11:26
Well done NAT you're only a pawn in the owners game.

{Ed025's Note - this is getting a bit tiresome from you rudder, support your team mate...your better than all this negative crap my friend..

14.) 31 Aug 2021 18:14:19
We never had injuries like last year either. We have fully covered ourselves and if Phillips moves on next summer, all the best to the lad.

Letting Williams go and keeping Phillips makes us stronger.

15.) 31 Aug 2021 18:17:52
VVVV, I like the way you relax!

Rudder, I take solace in the fact that you, and many of the other girning gits who have been moaning constantly recently, will disappear from this site as soon as the transfer window shuts and the rest of us can get back to enjoying the chat on here.

16.) 31 Aug 2021 18:19:41
rudder OUT!

17.) 31 Aug 2021 18:21:32
Ye motherrudder! Delighted for big Nat was a Trojan for us! The melt down is hilarious! You won’t be crying when Matip and Gomez pick up knocks and big Nat comes in heading bullets!

18.) 31 Aug 2021 18:23:13
Nat Phillips wow wow and wow Seriously you expect me to accept this?

19.) 31 Aug 2021 18:25:29
Ok Mark, but if we couldn't offload him this year how are we going to do it after a year of doing his best Ben Davies impression? Because make no mistake, that is how this season is going to go for Nat. This is exactly like Origi, we should have parted ways after the Champions League winning season when his stock was high, how many millions of pounds in wages do you reckon we could have saved if we had?

20.) 31 Aug 2021 18:28:55
Rudders posts remind me of the good old days on here…

21.) 31 Aug 2021 18:29:15
Are the school holidays not finished yet? Toys out of the pram because a player who greatly improved with each game gets a new contract?
The transfer windows seem to bring out the worst in posters. Sure we all would have liked to have seen another addition to the team but to react like the OP is ridiculous.
Actually can’t wait for this window to close and the site gets back to talking about football.

22.) 31 Aug 2021 18:34:50
Dialectics are encouraged on this site, you can absolutely go against the grain but Rudder lad you've moved from dialectic in to toxicity. Frankly I'd prefer to see you band.

{Ed001's Note - it is not that he is going against the grain, it is that he is a moronic and tiresome troll.}

23.) 31 Aug 2021 18:36:57
Jadon, Phillips could just make the difference this season. No one offered the money we wanted so he stays. Hopefully same with Jones I think we need both of them.

24.) 31 Aug 2021 18:41:14
Rugby, don’t be too sure. Pretty sure the very prophetic are referring to will disappear and be back as soon as we don’t win a game and start lecturing us about how right they were. .

25.) 31 Aug 2021 18:43:21
Love Nat but similar people moaned about not selling Divock when his stock was high, rather than rewarding him with a new contract. This is not a good move, a waste of funds, we all wanted him sold and to progress in his career as he deserved, let's not celebrate this.

26.) 31 Aug 2021 19:02:22
So could Adrian then Mark if that's the case, don't remember his new contract at the start of the summer being celebrated so much.

27.) 31 Aug 2021 19:20:00
And there's another 1

{Ed025's Note - i have had enough now, all overly negative stupid posts will be deleted for tonight



30 Aug 2021 23:51:55
Not one player of real calibre signed but don't worry Konate, Kaide, Elliott will win usthe league in 3 to 5. . years. Thanks FSG I can't wait to renew my season ticket.


{Ed0666's Note - you can’t blame them totally mate weve also made some mistakes in the market the funds have been available weve just made some purchases that didn’t work out.

1.) 31 Aug 2021 00:18:06
You'd think our owners were paupers with their arse hanging out of their trousers the way some go on in here rudder. They're billionaires . They own lfc, it's their asset and they're choosing not to invest. And your right ad0666, they're have been mistakes keita being the biggest waste of money in the clubs history, but that doesn't mean you stop. For the first time since they've been in charge I'm fairly disgusted the way we've not strengthened. Didn't have to 100s of millions either.

{Ed0666's Note - so what’s the answer? Beat up a load of policemen outside Anfield and emotionally blackmail them into buying a player or two?

2.) 31 Aug 2021 00:48:42
The answer is simple Ed66 mate let's cry and moan unless we get our way 😂

Let's bash Klopp (yes man) Hendo (average, lucky to play for us) Robbo (Tsimikas is better and should replace him) FSG (not wanted any more coz they can't spend like oligarch and should sell coz some Sheikh in middle east just can't wait to spend 4B on us) the site has become Moananino 😂😂.

{Ed0666's Note - post of the week love it mate. Be careful tho some may take you’re irony seriously.

3.) 31 Aug 2021 00:59:18
no, buy some f*cking players.

4.) 31 Aug 2021 01:14:51
Finally it’s happened, Liverpool supporters have become just like Arsenal supporters, the transformation is complete.

5.) 31 Aug 2021 01:31:53
How about they tie down the spine of a world class team to long term contracts. oh wait.

6.) 31 Aug 2021 02:49:17
I think it’s ok for people to voice their displeasure at yet another transfer window in which we’ve made relatively small steps compared to our rivals. We’ve added one or two transfers periodically but do not seem to be really strengthening as much as we can/ should. I’m not saying sign loads more players but either another forward of first team quality or a midfielder of first team quality would really add depth to us. Right now if say Salah gets a serious injury we will struggle badly to replace his goals. Similarly if Henderson or Fabinho get injured for an extended period our midfield will start to look very light weight. We had a tough season last season due to injuries, and if luck isn’t with us, it could easily happen again. I’m still holding out hope but right now it seems we’re settling with what we have and, truth be told, I don’t think it’s enough to win the league unless we are supremely lucky with regards to injuries.

7.) 31 Aug 2021 04:01:43
If Kieta and Minimino had stepped up to the plate and became the players we thought we were getting, then no one would be crying about lack of support from the owners.

8.) 31 Aug 2021 04:55:51
Seano mate that goes for everyone not only us.

If Dias gets injured then it's no secret City will struggle despite all that talent.

If Lukaku or Mendy get injured then doubt Chelsea will even reach top 4 didn't they finished 4th last season despite us playing some kids at the back and dealing with a lot of injuries at the same time?

Think you're missing the point, everyone is in same boat except we are the ones moaning and crying.

Any team who wins the league needs some luck and we are no different. Neither our situation is worse like a lot of people are trying to convince here. #YNWA #Redordead.

9.) 31 Aug 2021 07:54:20
Chelsea had Lampard last season. One or two injuries for Chelsea and they still walk into the CL very easily. Chelsea squad unfortunately is better than ours.

10.) 31 Aug 2021 08:05:46
Would happily see some Arab billionaire or Russian billionaire take over, we don't live in a world with unicorns and sugarplum rainbows, its not the movies, teams need to freshen consistently every season, stop players, like Sadio and Bobby going stale, like they have, sooner FSG sell up the better, said it for years.

11.) 31 Aug 2021 08:20:35
3 years ago we won the CL, and 2 years ago the prem. So for how many years have you been saying FSG must go?

12.) 31 Aug 2021 08:25:45
All the transfer addicts feeling withdrawal symptoms on the last day of the window.
"We're doomed! FSG out! Spend money, just buy somebody! ".
Comical stuff.

13.) 31 Aug 2021 08:32:46
FSG - sell the club back to Moore’s so he can sell it back to Gillett and Hicks - finish these moaners off for good 😂😂.

14.) 31 Aug 2021 09:03:00
Rudder - don’t worry, you won’t need to renew your tickets, the deadline to renew last weeks ago.

15.) 31 Aug 2021 09:14:22
Give the youth a go. Oh wait, you can’t win a league with kids. What a player Hansen was.

{Ed025's Note - one of the best i have ever seen funghi..

16.) 31 Aug 2021 09:28:02
Totally agree 025, shows you don’t need pace when you can read the game.

{Ed025's Note - pace is a fine attribute to have funghi, but if you have a brain like hansen or molby its not a prerequisite mate..

17.) 31 Aug 2021 09:28:26
Drogie I'm talking about the next renewal date. Yes markp08 we won the CL 3 year's ago and the league 2 years ago. That's done I'd like us to win them again.



30 Aug 2021 20:27:01
They'll announce the Hendo contract extension tomorrow just to distract.


1.) 30 Aug 2021 20:45:24
Whats their to distract when Klopp has made it absolutely clear abt TM?

Unless you think Klopp is a *yes man" lol, he made it absolutely clear "there's no space for players to come in, we've got a really big squad. Kounate was brought coz their was a clear space in our defense and needed to be filled.

2.) 30 Aug 2021 21:14:24
Thats what I meant last week kopforever. Either Klopp is genuinely happy with what he's got, as he's said repeatedly, or he's a "yes man" following the company patter.

3.) 30 Aug 2021 21:20:28
Distract who the fans that haven't got a clue and think football is a game of fifa?

4.) 30 Aug 2021 21:44:51
He’s a yes man
Cos he has no faith outside of the same 13 players he uses all the time

Minimino will only play in the fa cup or carabao
Keita he just doesn’t like him and will
Play him in home games against so called “winnable games

He’s a yes man - haven’t u heard the way he talks now “we are happy to beat the best teams “
The season we won it - we want to go for it

He’s knows the team isn’t enough.

5.) 30 Aug 2021 22:13:49
Spot on Mane mate, think Klopp understands our situation and happy whenever he wants he's man he gets them maybe we can complain abt timings like CB couldn't get him last season but got done this season ASAP TM opened.

Klopp has made it absolutely clear a lot of times, he even said "it's not surprising to see others spending more then us coz that has always been like this since I came to England and that didn't stop us winning EPL and CL, I don't care what they do coz will just play them twice a season not every week"

He even continued it's very difficult to get better players then we already have here, I prefer to work in training then just getting another body to satisfy you guys (media)

That makes absolutely clear, Klopp is happy with what he has now and if more is needed then next season will get he's man with everything improving now with fans back and our financial situations will be much much better.

I know it's not idol at the moment neither is bad as some of our fans reaction. We've never been at our best in the beginning of the season. Once the likes of fab, Hendo, Robo, settle and have few more games in their belt will completely be different team. Neither drawing against Chelsea is a disaster which some fans are trying very hard to convince that which isn't, Chelsea are a top top team and always have been, they showed against city and will be there up with us competing for titles.

Klopp is very very intelligent man, if we could finish 3rd with depleted squad then I'm sure we can compete with our players back again?



17 Aug 2021 19:14:32
Can any of the ED's answer this question please and thanks. Firmino, Fabinho and Alisson will be called on international duty therefore missing two games including the City game. I was led to believe internationals could not interrupt the domestic season or am I wrong?


{Ed002's Note - You are wrong I am afraid.}

1.) 17 Aug 2021 20:49:13
Standard 🤣🤣🤣🤣.

2.) 17 Aug 2021 23:10:35
Am I wrong about the international window interfering with the domestic season or the 3 mentioned being called up?

3.) 18 Aug 2021 19:21:54
You're just wrong Rudder 🤣.



08 Aug 2021 17:04:28
I know it's only pre season but Harvey Elliot is a joy to watch.


1.) 08 Aug 2021 17:19:50
You feeling OK Rudder?

2.) 08 Aug 2021 17:20:30
He needs to be staying Rudder, he in no way needs another loan, top drawer the lad.

3.) 08 Aug 2021 17:21:15
Smashing little player. winger or midfielder though. Suppose he'll get plenty of minutes covering both.




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09 Aug 2021 12:04:44
"might" is the key word in that statement.




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05 Aug 2021 16:01:30
Konate rotates with VVD 🙄 This Akira has to be a blag account.




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31 Jul 2021 18:35:39
Don't want Bowen anywhere near our club unless they employ him as a cleaner. He's simply not CL level.




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29 Mar 2021 09:51:18
Just what we need another one to spend more time in the treatment room 🙄.




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13 Feb 2021 20:42:23
I've seen the tweet from Sky Sports News and it's from a blag Sky Sports account. Some people lead sad and pathetic life's that they would go to that trouble.





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31 Aug 2021 18:23:13
Nat Phillips wow wow and wow Seriously you expect me to accept this?




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31 Aug 2021 18:11:26
Well done NAT you're only a pawn in the owners game.


{Ed025's Note - this is getting a bit tiresome from you rudder, support your team mate...your better than all this negative crap my friend..



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31 Aug 2021 17:23:17
It's you that should give yourself a wobble FSG are happy to plod along. I'd rather see an a Iranian terrorist take us over.


{Ed025's Note - at least they would spend a bomb.. :)



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31 Aug 2021 17:20:04
Brilliant we will win the league 😉 7.




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31 Aug 2021 16:01:38
Wow just wow see you in May I hope you don't complain sure we have a great squad. 🙄🙄.