26 Feb 2024 07:55:45
One Down, 3 to go. let's send off Klopp with a bang, if for nothing to put to bed the arguement of who is better Klopp or Pep? Winning the Quadruple and leaving when the ovation is loudest is the best gift we can give Klopp.
Just hope the reason behind his leaving is not an health issue, he does look tired.
26 Feb 2024 09:44:13
Xpertoyin for me, whatever was left of the debate about who is better btw Pep and Klopp died last night and it was Klopp's Kids who lay the final death blow and killed it, IMO.
As for Klopp, his farewell tour has officially begun. Whatever happens now, he will leave as a transformational figure of this great institution like Shanks before him and will be on the Mount Rushmore of PL managers when all is said and done, IMO. Not for what he has won (which is a lot and counting) cos other managers have won more BUT rather for how and with whom he won them.
26 Feb 2024 09:46:01
How can klopp be better than Pep when Liverpool is not playing champions league this season? We need to compare apples with apples.
26 Feb 2024 10:10:53
Hopefully the owners try and persuade Jurgen to stay I doubt he will but I hope they have tried everything to keep him. The man’s a legend
Up the pool.
26 Feb 2024 10:21:49
We all want the miracle turnaround from JK Coulred, but I just don't think it's going to happen.
26 Feb 2024 11:04:30
I love Klopp to death. He is a walking legend and what he has done for this club cannot be articulated. He deserves the quadruple as a proper send off to his tenure here. But we have to come to the realisation that he is leaving. And FSG have to secure the next best thing in Alonso ASAP. If we hang around trying to convince Klopp to stay or deliberate on the next manager, we face missing out on Alonso all together.
26 Feb 2024 12:05:11
Leek, are you taking the mick? You literally compare your darling Arsenal (who win nothing) to LFC (who win things) all the time saying they are better (while being 3rd in the table) to LFC (who are top of the table) . Are they apples to apples comparisons? Man, keep it moving.
26 Feb 2024 13:09:57
Oli don't bite, that's exactly what he wants.
26 Feb 2024 14:23:28
Prolly right, Kloppers.
26 Feb 2024 14:51:59
You are exactly right Leek we have to compare apples with apples. Pep has managed 3 clubs in his career, those clubs being Barcelona, Bayern Munich and Man City.
In all 3 instances he took over title winning/ challenging squads and had more money to spend than most if not all of his peers (bar Real Madrid) . It’s actually very difficult to say how good Pep is given the obvious unfair advantages he’s had over other managers.
Klopp took over a squad that finished 8th and a club that hadn’t won the league for 25 years and turned them into the best in the world. He had to sell to buy (Coutinho being the most obvious and high profile) to build a squad and had to make do with £35m signings to start with (Mane, Salah) as his high profile signings. He was not afforded the open chequebook that Pep has had throughout his career and had to build success before he could start to spend a bit (Keita, Thiago and Nunez) .
He changed the entire culture of the club and its fans, players and staff. Klopp is head and shoulders above Pep in my view and always will be until Pep is willing to actually take a chance and try to build a club from nowhere to the top of the game.
Something tells me the ego that is Pep Guardiola will never do that because he knows he’s not capable and it will ruin this persona he’s falsely built up of being some kind of football genius. He’s a good coach, no one could deny that but you can’t ignore that he’s only been at clubs that give him an unfair advantage.
The ultimate flat track bully.
26 Feb 2024 17:33:14
I think Pep and Klopp are both world class At what they do but as Beckers has pointed out what they do is quite different despite having similar end results.
26 Feb 2024 20:29:18
"It’s actually very difficult to say how good Pep is given the obvious unfair advantages he’s had over other managers. ".
Spot on, Beckers. If everything has to be set up perfectly with NO hitches whatsoever (most money, deepest squad, the best team etc. ) in order for you to be successful then, how good are you, really? That is my thing with Pep.
Also if that was Pep last night with all the injuries and missing players and all that, I believe he forfeits the game and takes the loss. The guys seems to not be able to function as soon as one thing (let alone multiple things) goes wrong. If Rodri is out for 10 games, his goose is cooked. Sorry, Pep is NOT a patch on Klopp, ability-wise and I stand by that.
26 Feb 2024 22:27:41
Pep certainly has had a legup (even at Barcelona he inherited a club with Messi Xavi and Iniesta all emerging) but i don't think the reason he wouldn't go to a club in trouble is because he is a flat track bully. To be fair to him, i think he is more about the search for perfection and so would prefer a club that will give him the money to try and find that. Its prob the reason why he constantly has to fight the urge to tinker and why his players tend to burn out or struggle in big matches.
27 Feb 2024 11:38:27
He did say about comparing apples with apples, so not biting might be appropriate.
In other news, what is he on about? Comparing Klopp with Guardiola - both are successful managers, albeit one with unlimited resources and cheat mode enabled, the other a charismatic, driver of people and motivator.