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07 Aug 2019 16:04:34
I love an over the top analysis of something minor so here goes nothing (fits tinfoil hat) .

Liverpool have again updated their first team squad page on the official site with Adrian signing. However they've retaken everyone's photo with the new kit.

Or have they? None of the loaned out players had their picture retaken, but there were 5 players still listed as at the club Who also didn't make the cut for a picture. Clyne, Kent, Jones, Ejaria and Chirivella.

With that in mind I expect we'll see Kent, Ejaria and Chirivella sold. Curtis Jones probably will be loaned out. Clyne probably just missed the photo shoot because he's in rehab but I suspect he is also for sale if anyone wants a player out with a knee injury in the last 24 hours.

Van Den Berg was also given a squad number finally (72) and Kelleher was photographed in the new black kit so it looks like he'll be 3rd choice keeper behind Alisson and Adrian who also has a squad number now (13).

Sure, I'm not tracking planes but I'm working night shift this week so I need something to do during the day!

Plain Bread

1.) 07 Aug 2019 16:16:49
There’s hope on Clyne. Chelsea have asked their lawyers to check the small print on their ban to see if they are allowed to sign players from the knickers yard who probably won’t play this year. 🙈🤣.

2.) 07 Aug 2019 18:21:01
Tell me more about this "knickers yard". Sounds like my kind of environment!

3.) 07 Aug 2019 18:29:09
The knickers yard sounds pants!

4.) 07 Aug 2019 18:40:48
Whatever happens, you’ve got to chuckle at United unsuccessfully trying to spaff money around like a drunk trying pull at chucking out time or overpaying for English players. I reckon that Maguire could be their Andy Carroll moment.

5.) 07 Aug 2019 19:38:08
Love it 6 times.

6.) 07 Aug 2019 22:11:32
Nailed it 6Times, Pepe, Rodri, Cancelo, Ndombele. all players where I can understand the price tag involved and why our current/ historic rivals went for them. Then There's United splashing out £80 Million on Maguire. Hilarious.

7.) 08 Aug 2019 08:55:06
Amsterdam are set to change the name of their famous red light district, to the “Knickers Yard. ” Chelsea are scouring the area for last minute window buys. 🚨.

8.) 08 Aug 2019 10:39:30
More likely to be WAGs from the "knickers yard" isn't it?

9.) 08 Aug 2019 11:00:41
From WAGs to riches.

10.) 08 Aug 2019 15:20:59
'A place where unrequired fabric is slaughtered' - like Clyne's LFC top.



30 Jun 2019 08:14:14
So Salah to Madrid for €100m + Asensio, and then spend the money on Pepe. New look Fab 4 ????

Oh my Fowler, I love silly season!

Plain Bread

1.) 30 Jun 2019 09:16:09
I think you’re right - it is silly season!

Some papers are reporting the Asensio-Mané swap, but if we had to let one of our front three go, I would rather Salah be replaced than Mané. If I’m honest, in my opinion, Mané is irreplaceable. His work rate and unselfish harrying of opposition defenders and midfielders is as good as Firmino’s and only Bernardo Silva at City is in the same bracket. Only my opinion!

I also wouldn’t take asensio, but Klopp has polished a few rough diamonds, so all faith in the manager!

2.) 30 Jun 2019 09:23:54
Do you mean Mane?

3.) 30 Jun 2019 10:32:16
It's Mané they're writing about this time.

4.) 30 Jun 2019 09:34:44
Honestly don’t get the hype with Asensio, I can’t recall one game I’ve ever seen him in where he’s been a stand out performer. A very mediocre footballer if you ask me. €100m plus Asensio is about €100’000’001.00 in real terms. As for Pepe, he’s had one good season in his career and for the most part looks like his legs and brains don’t interact together.

5.) 30 Jun 2019 12:04:57
I hope we don't sell any of the front 3. They are all too good to be replaced. I hope we keep them all until they are 29-30 years at least.

6.) 30 Jun 2019 17:25:01
Everyone always the NEXT thing.

Asensio and Pepe aren’t a patch on Mo Salah.

We need to consolidate the squad, not weaken it.

7.) 01 Jul 2019 11:48:11
I think you guys are right. It probably is Mane. I didn't actually open the link. Just saw "Real Madrid to offer Asensio to Liverpool in swap deal - Liverpool fans won't be happy about this".

Need more enticing bait than that for me to click!



06 Jun 2019 11:08:05
This is literally a rumour. I'm just passing on so please don't shoot me!

Apparently Liverpool are very close to matching the asking price for Nicolas Pepe.

Probably total BS.

Plain Bread

1.) 06 Jun 2019 11:36:11
He looks a player but I do only see this happening if the club see Salah moving on sometime soon. Personally think it is nothing, more likely we will go after someone like Maxwel Cornet who's been mentioned by the eds. Time will tell, think we need a few more outs from squad / loan returns before we see ins start coming in.

2.) 06 Jun 2019 11:36:40
It has come from L'Equipe who my understanding is pretty reliable when it comes to news from France.

If he does sign i do find it hard to see where he will fit in the system tho.

80m euros for a bench player can not see us spending that unless someone is leaving or we change the system completely.

3.) 06 Jun 2019 11:38:11
Nah, no way mate. Ed’s has already said we are not looking to spend vast sums of money on any players who are deemed as back up. Front 3 pick themselves with Origi Brewster Shaqiri and Ox as back up.

4.) 06 Jun 2019 12:28:38
L'equipe not all that reliable.

5.) 06 Jun 2019 12:41:14
Yeah why would Liverpool target people who aren't good enough for the first team eh? if this season has proved anything its that the bench needs to be strong, so Salah having to leave or we will only buy if one of the front are leaving is bs, we need a squad capable of competing not just a team.

6.) 06 Jun 2019 12:43:57
my be he is seen as matching the front 3 we have and it is more off a rotation. with the others seen as back up, am sure with the league, champions league and the other cups there is enough games for all 4 to play. would only mean they would all not start about 9 league games each a season. And just because there not starting them games does not mean they won't play.

7.) 06 Jun 2019 13:01:10
It’s not bs Lancaster Red it’s reality mate and exactly were we are at. We won’t and can’t spend crazy money every window without players leaving.

8.) 06 Jun 2019 13:03:36
Man we won't sign any rotation or back up player for 80.000.000 €!

9.) 06 Jun 2019 13:14:50
The Firm on Twitter, yes THAT guy, is claiming we have made an offer of £68m.

Waiting on an Ed002 come back containing the words 'Bolton, 'kid', 'no contact'and 'fat'.

{Ed002's Note - Did the Fat Kid from Bolton tell you in which order De Ligt, Werner, Pepe, Dybala, Lemar and most of the Lyon team will be arriving this summer?}

10.) 06 Jun 2019 13:23:39
Nicolas Pepe is a quality attacking player, to challenge for top honours the club needs like for like replacements, this is why Man City are the best in the country, Sterling can be replaced by Sanè, Silva with Mahrez. Shaqiri and Origi are decent backup players but not top end, would we challenge for the Premier League if Manè or Salah were injured for 6 months?

{Ed002's Note - So Pepe will be signed to cover for Salah or Mane being injured for 6 months? Sane, Mahrez and others are looking to leave Manchester City for lack of game time.}

11.) 06 Jun 2019 13:27:35
The 80M price tag is eye popping, but I don't buy into all this stuff about the team not wanting to spend a little this summer.

Klopp wants to deploy a 4-2-3-1 long-term. It's how we were lining up quite a bit this past season but seemed to have and pulled off of that because we lacked depth off the bench in a lot of key positions in that lineup. There absolutely is room for Pepe in the squad though if the plan is indeed to line up that way. Salah plays in front of Firmino, and Pepe plays outside. It feels like Shaq may move on too, and be replaced with someone that can be more reliable on the press that will provide cover on the wings off the bench.

{Ed002's Note - If Klopp wants a 4-2-3-1 he has been buying the wrong players.}

12.) 06 Jun 2019 13:38:44
Can we leave this thread as it is please. Pèpè is not happening. The Fat kid from Bolton who ever he is is obviously talking BS yet again.

Let’s move on.

13.) 06 Jun 2019 13:39:37
Ed002, you forgot the words 'no contact'.

I lose track but, I think, so far he had only confirmed Lemar, Werner and De Ligt signing, in that order.

We all know it is BS until confirmed on here.

14.) 06 Jun 2019 14:08:37
Ed002, I respectfully disagree with that. I can't really figure out what he wants to do with Keita, but besides that he's targeted highly adaptable players that have the versatility to play many different ways in different positions and different formations. I believe we lined up in the 4-2-3-1 like 10 times last year and never lost a game, which was easily our second most common formation. Shaqiri's struggles in the press along with our limited depth in the attacking positions were a major weakness though, and we had to go back to the 4-3-3 after the new year otherwise those weaknesses would have caught up with us.

It seems like it's Klopp's goal to deploy the 4-2-3-1 the majority of the time once we have the lineup for it.

15.) 06 Jun 2019 15:12:29
*nonsense FM bull and abuse deleted*

{Ed001's Note - all you have done is post personal attacks against editors on the site. You are no longer welcome, take your clueless Football Manager nonsense somewhere else.}

16.) 06 Jun 2019 15:25:31
To compete with city you need options in the squad that can offer genuine competition for places. City have this and is why not only can they compete in all competitions but when you're struggling to break a Leicester city or West Ham team down you can bring on real game changers. Seems you can't win there's too many games for players to stay fit and compete but buying quality to help with the work load and compete for a starting place must mean someone's moving on. Sturridge is gone Moreno gone but we already have a left back but that position is ok tohabe cover for? I'd prefer klopp to look at investing in youth as cover but if the club bought quality to push the club on it's the logical next step. Rotation is an important part of football these days. So if they sign Pepe I wouldn't be surprised because there's champions league premier league fa cup league cup world club cup super cup and charity shield games to compete in. Having options is a good thing.

17.) 06 Jun 2019 16:27:48
Yes but that is what has happened with our squad. Klopp has bought players and this has made the squad try harder. No-one saw Wijnaldum being an integral part of our season. Same with Matip and Origi.

18.) 06 Jun 2019 17:43:36
Ed’s - do you think it’s possible we may buy an attacker and play Firmino as attacking midfielder?

{Ed001's Note - why would we move our most important player from his best position?}

19.) 06 Jun 2019 17:50:33
Football manager is very outdated anyway. Most teams have one system for attacking, one for transition and one for defending so the tactical shape can change a lot in one match yet in that game you pick one formation and win everything hmm ok 👍.

20.) 06 Jun 2019 20:26:31
" Our most important player" no where near the top 5. I know you say these things for responses but that is insulting to much better players than Firmino. He has only had one good season at LFC and in his worst season we won the champions league and Firmino didn't play in the semi finals or the final.

Firmino has been a passenger all season.

{Ed001's Note - I am not going to waste my time on such a clueless post as yours. You really do make the most idiotic posts in your attempts to disagree with everything I say. Either that or you are absolutely clueless about the game because he is the key to our play according to people who actually matter, such as the coaching staff at the club. You really are just trolling with your posts and I can't be arsed with you any more. You have obviously had to move on from your constant denigration of Henderson to find a new target for you to be an arse to. Just do us all a favour and don't bother. Just like when you constantly slagged off the captain, it just shows how little understanding of the game you actually have.}

21.) 06 Jun 2019 20:38:00
I think we need more goals from midfield. Not necessarily another forward.

22.) 06 Jun 2019 22:05:49
Idiotic comment mark I guess you never read the analytical article about how our players are picked to compliment each other and that most of salahs goals etc are because he plays with Bobby. Do you think it would be the same if we had Kane? Not at all.

23.) 06 Jun 2019 22:55:16
so you think Firmino and Henderson had good seasons?

Firmino was poor

Henderson was ok and then brilliant for the last 10 games. Commentator said when Henderson scored v Southampton welcome to the Party pal.

You just have biased opinions on players you like. If you think Firmino was a key player this season you are totally biased and deluded. He didn't play in our most important games.

Van Dyke

Even Matip (the player you make jokes about) had a better season than Firmino. You suggested Firmino be dropped earlier in the season.
All these players over the season were better than Firmino and Hendo but you don't give Robbo for example anywhere near as much credit yet he had a far better season.

24.) 06 Jun 2019 22:59:48
I agree with 80% of what you say but when you make stupid statements like Firmino is our most important player of course I disagree because it is complete and utter crap.

You just never like to be wrong but that statement is false. We won the CL without Firmino we would not have won the cl without

Van Dyke
or Allison.

25.) 06 Jun 2019 23:07:55
Lercy that is just rubbish. Salah got 25 goals for Roma the season before he came? Mane, Salh Kane would get 15 extra goals IMO. Only LFC fans think otherwise. If Mane or Salah went to Barcelona or Madrid both would get 30 goals.

26.) 06 Jun 2019 23:58:38
Markp, a couple of weeks ago you were saying klopp should be sacked.

You need to relearn the game of soccer. Somewhere along the line you got lost.

{Ed001's Note - he is just a troll and I wouldn't waste my time on his moronic slagfests of Liverpool players. His posts should be treated as those of a 5 year old who has never seen a game of football as that is his level of understanding of it. He has clearly never learnt it and all he does is troll my comments with stupidity.}

27.) 07 Jun 2019 00:01:37
Flidby wjnuldum has been underrated at Liverpool always been a quality player since he has arrived. He was quality at Newcastle and think he won the Johan cruyff award they have in the Dutch league as well. Like with Henderson managers ask players to do specific jobs on the pitch which often means them sacrificing attacking instinct. Fabinho coming in has really released these players to be able to perform a more attacking role. He is a bit of an unsung hero this year as VVD and Alison getting all the defensive plaudits (and rightly so) . Matip was quality when he joined (for free) he's a good player has his wobbles but he's not as prone to howlers as lovren is. Gomez was excellent with vvd and if he makes a mistake he has the pace to recover. Anyway point is no surprise they've done well. Origi is a shocker I didn't see that coming but he has put in some decent performances and got some crucial goals. Lad deserves chance to prove himself. But I still believe as a squad we are short up top.

28.) 07 Jun 2019 00:22:47
"we would not have won the cl without "

How can you forget Origi , he took us to the final and then won it for us .

Beside that, I agree with you, Firmino did n't have a good season, for whatever reason, but you can't deny when he is fit and well lake last year, he can be a very good player, creative and hard working . Last year he made most of the space that Salah used to score his 30+ goals.

29.) 07 Jun 2019 06:25:01
Just because Firmino didn't have the best season, doesn't mean he's not our most important player. The space he creates, the defending from the front, the interaction with Mane and Salah, the unpredictability of his passing and movement.
He didn't play in our biggest games but i would suggest we would have stuffed Spurs by a greater margin if we had a fully fit Bobby playing the full 90.

30.) 07 Jun 2019 07:21:53
Its better to get a replacement in before any player leaves, Andy Carroll would have cost a lot less before Torres deal happened and I am sure Ajax would have stung us another 10m for Suarez if Torres had handed his transfer request in at the start of the window. Apart from Bobby the other 2 can play any of the front 3 positions so having Pepe allows Bobby and other a rest should they need one.

31.) 07 Jun 2019 08:22:51
And dzeko was the striker mark. Another one who’d compliment Salahs style of play.

32.) 07 Jun 2019 07:40:33
Thats bit of a insult to a 5 year old ed001 lol, mark only seem to go by players who score goals, and not the whole team, if you watch bobby closely you will see how he pulls defenders out to open up space for salah and mane, he the most unselfish player there is, that's why he don't get the praise he should.

33.) 07 Jun 2019 11:04:06
I thought Lemar had signed on the 1st of July last summer 🤔.

34.) 07 Jun 2019 11:06:30
Sure I've seen the asking price for Pepe closer to 40 than 80? i don't get why people are scared of Liverpool have strength in depth and rotating the squad. Boggles my mind.

35.) 07 Jun 2019 12:35:18
Do you ever imagine that Klopp asks players to play a specific way for the benefit of the team? Do you think that Henderson might just have been deployed as a defensive midfielder for most of his games under klopp but was then asked to get in the box towards the end of the season? Do you think that firmino is asked to do a job too? Also I like the idea that any player in a team that scored 97 points lost 1 game and won the champions league had a bad season.

36.) 07 Jun 2019 13:11:23
This is amazing, i've never seen anyone say Bobby has been rubbish. The guys play opens up so much space for the others to get forwards, the only striker who plays like him is the one at wolves, You lose Bobby you lose a very integral part of the team for the style of football we play.

Not sure if you watch any of the games on tv or have ever been to Anfield but the guy is an absolute terror to defend against.

meh infact this is like talking to 6 year old man utd fan who says but he doesn't score more than blaaa blaaa.

37.) 07 Jun 2019 13:12:37
I said Klopp should be sacked - are you mad Davey? I think over the last few years he has been awesome and the signings have been the best in the world. Klopp is more important than any player.

When a player has a great season like Firmino 2017/ 18 I say brilliant well played. But when he has a poor season I say that as well. Not great, great, great when it's untrue.

I agree with that Roy

He just isn't the most important for me Virgil.
Van Dyke
Mane etc
all far more important but just my opinion.

38.) 07 Jun 2019 13:27:00
Salah, Mane and Firmino are Key Players wich means they are going to play all posible games.
Bench Players like Shaqiri, Origi and Sturridge will play only when is needed.
Nicolas Pepe won’t come here to play when is needed he will go to a club were he can play all posible games and you don’t spend 70~80m in a player who is not going to play all posible games better to save the money and give reserves or youth players the chance and if needed buy a cheap or low cost squad player.

39.) 07 Jun 2019 17:32:28
I have no qualms with anyone who thinks Firmino isn’t our most important player as I personally agree but some of the criticism of him seems harsh mark. Perhaps it’s down to the anger of going back and forward with the Ed’s but he’s still a great player and important to the team, even if we disagree if he’s the most or not.

For what it’s worth, I love him and I do believe when he’s on form, our front 3 click and are unstoppable. However we’ve shown a side of our game this season where if he doesn’t (and he wasn’t for a lot of periods), we have other players to step up. In doing so, we were able to win the CL.

In terms of importance, I agree VVD and Allison are the most important for me. Then it’s more debatable. my preference is salah, mane and the full backs (who are critical as they provide creativity that our midfield can lack at times) .

On the original point. I’d love Pepe! Think he would fit in well.

40.) 08 Jun 2019 00:03:27
Hendo had a long world cup. Tjats why he wasnt starting games at the start of the season. But when he started he was brilliant. I just don't understand the hendo haters.

He just lifted the European f#@#@#g Cup for god sake.

41.) 08 Jun 2019 00:13:29
And firmino is absolutely brilliant. He is one of the first n mes on the team sheet. Our CF didn't reach 20 goals but he got a few. But our style is different, football has changed. Its why our wingers are winning golden boots every year. He is irreplaceable. We just let DS go so i guess we need some more cover for the forwards.

But, klopp seems to like the 4231. And i think he sees that as our way to win the league. So we need another forward.

I just don't understand people who don't see how important Henderson and firmino are.

I also think salah has been a bit greedy this season (can't blame him after last season, everything he hit went in) and i think that is why firmino saw less of the ball in our counter attacks. Bobby should be the guy you pass to to recieve a return flick that puts you in on goal.

42.) 10 Jun 2019 01:20:31
People who don't rate firmino have very little real understanding. Those views can only be taken of someone who only ever watches the balls position for 90 mins. Bobby struggled for the period he played in the 10 role. It didn't suit him, he looked lost for a few weeks and some have only judged him on that. Mark you say he never played in the big important games as an example, rubbish. When he went off early against United we lost all of our attacking rhythm, Barcelona at the nou camp we played well until the final third without him playing. We couldn't create anything against Everton either in goalless draw. Our midfield got slated for the United and Everton games, firmino only played a handful of minutes and was a big reason we struggled. 1st half away to Porto we were awful. He came on HT and changed whole team performance, came on at Burnley got a goal and assist and turned the game, came on PSG and got late winner, he played poor in the final and looked unfit, a big reason I think we played badly. Barca, United, Everton. 3 big games he missed, 3 games we failed to score. He is a hugely important player and there's no doubt about that.



29 May 2019 19:19:51
Rumours about today that we've spoken to Nicolas Pepe's agent. Just passing on a rumour though! Work colleague mentioned he'd read it online somewhere. Seen his name on here so thought I'd share 🤷‍♂️ Ed002, is he the one you said would likely be a Salah replacement?

Plain Bread

1.) 29 May 2019 19:42:03
While I'd love us to have a 4th option of equal quality to play in attack, I doubt we'll sign anyone ready made. I think the way we;ll end up with a 4th attacking player of the right quality is if we sign someone young and develop them, or someone from the academy.

Fingers crossed that Rhian Brewster can realise and fulfil his potential.

2.) 29 May 2019 19:42:37
I read it also, Duncan castles the united fan journalists tweeted it.
Pepe is a top young player, I think a Pepe type signing might see the likes of Salah or Mane leave.

3.) 29 May 2019 19:52:45
No way were after Pèpè. Ed002 mentioned only way we go after ashore signing is if Mane or Salah leaves! Not happening.

4.) 29 May 2019 22:06:52
I don’t think pepes ready made, its really been his breakthrough season this year. If we want to complete on 4 fronts, like city do, like all top teams do, we need strength in depth. 4 players for 3 positions, 50 plus games a season, so that’s 150 starts a year. Say origi and shaqiri play half the amount each, that’s 30 starts a season for the four and 15 for origi and shaq, plus sub appearances. is that bad?

5.) 30 May 2019 06:25:07
Doesn't work like that Firmane, injuries are not something anyone can predict with any degree of accuracy. Whilst Origi and Shaqiri can no doubt deputise for a period of time imagine if, say, Salah or Mane were crocked for an extended period? I have faith that Origi and Shaqiri can perform in spells - but to be consistently as good as those? Probably not. The idea of signing someone to both push them, and give us another option, makes a lot of sense to me, though who that player would be I have no clue as a rarely watch any other football besides ourselves.

6.) 30 May 2019 08:13:17
Seano, my point was we do need another player of a certain quality, and even if we do not have any long term injuries, they can all play plenty.

7.) 30 May 2019 10:35:54
i cannot understand why we can't have Pepe in our side! if Klopp trusted Origi and Shaq to rotate with the front 3 he would have done more often last season.
clearly we need that type of talen to come in compete.
why do you think City won the domestic treble? their bench was thick with high quality talent.

{Ed002's Note - Why do you think Jesus, Sane and others want out of Manchester City? Why would Pepe move to sit on the bench at Liverpool with Werner, Depay and Dybala? Why are Liverpool interested in someone else?}

8.) 30 May 2019 11:47:38
we are interested in someone else because front 3 can get injured at any time.
we were lucky last season.
most LFC fans prefer Firmino over Origi. Yeah, Orig got us to the final but over 60 games, Origi won't score 15 + goals in the league.
thats why were are looking for someone else.

9.) 30 May 2019 12:09:32
Yeah but ed, Jesus sane and mahrez are three players who are higher quality than shaq and origi. All can score goals and would be fine slotting into citys front three.

Whilst I’m not saying it has to be Pepe, we can’t compete on all fronts with shaq and origi as our only options for the bench or as competition.

I completely respect your opinion and knowledge, but to me that view is very black and white, that they will either replace salah or mane or be reserve. Competition is good, and yes, whilst I’m sure they will still be in our best 11, it doesn’t mean that salah mane and Firmino have to start every game.

{Ed002's Note - Right, and I have explained where Liverpool have an interest in others.}

10.) 30 May 2019 12:13:53
Not that agree of disagree with the idea of having back up players of high calibre but people who say "player X would not want to sit on the bench" well that's exactly what most players (especially attackers) do at Madrid and Barcelona nearly every season. Hell we lost one of our star players because he would rather sit on the bench at Barcelona than be a first teamer at liverpool. Same thing happened with Owen at madrid. There are plenty of other examples at other clubs too. There are even examples at our club both past and present.

Throughout the 90s Milan had world class players sitting on the bench because their first team was packed with world class players.

Players are ok with being a bench warmer sometimes if they are confident of their ability they assume they will work their way into the team, and if you're really good that's exactly what happens. When you're not good enough or have the wrong mentality you remain back up or you leave.

Football has no guarantees and most professional players accept that, even truly great ones.

11.) 30 May 2019 14:29:57
Agreed, Man City have Sane and Jesus looking at their options because they'd like more play time. Whatever happens in that regard, they'll sell them for a lot more than they paid for them, so as far as City are concerned, they can just sell them and replace them.

If any of our front three wanted to leave, we'd sell them for a hell of a lot more than we paid for them. I obviously cannot predict the crazy inflation of football players' transfer fees, but if Pepe came in for £70m, it's very hard to see that figure really increasing if it didn't work out. Of course it could, but very hard to predict future transfer fees in one or two season's time.

{Ed002's Note - There are others in the same boat - Sane and Jesus were just examples.}

12.) 30 May 2019 18:47:02
Thanks for the reply Ed002. What I was mainly getting at, is that unless you sign a player towards the end of their career, you won't normally lose too much on them if they're not happy with they're play time, unless of course they do something stupid, like bite someone.




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20 Feb 2020 13:33:20
If this summer we could maybe get in Cantwell to replace Lallana, Werner to replace Shaqiri, and Diego Carlos to replace Lovren then that will do me. Not interested in mega deals like Mbappe, Dembele or Sancho. Stick to what we're good at.

Plain Bread

1.) 20 Feb 2020 13:43:43
I'm with you mate. You can get all the expensive stuffings, the artisan toppings, and the fancy names, in the end plain bread is best.

2.) 20 Feb 2020 14:29:15
Still don't see the harm in getting someone like Sancho who could be one of the best around for the next 10 years "IF"Klopp wants him and it's in anyway possible.

3.) 20 Feb 2020 14:31:40
Whilst I mostly agree with what you guys saying, I would love to see a Havertz sign for us in the summer. Obvs if we loose any of the starting 11 would hope they would he replaced but Havertz added to what we got would be great in my opinion.

4.) 20 Feb 2020 14:34:23
If we could get Werner I would be happy, obviously by far the hardest to convince to come and fight for a place. Lallana has hardly played and Lovren is a very good 4th choice CB. If he wants to stay I see no need to push him out the door.

5.) 20 Feb 2020 14:53:07
I like cantwell but he's nowhere near an inform Adam lallana. Yet. I agree with the other two totally. I don't think we need a lallana replacement, minamino is an upgrade in that position (his former position as an am, not a no6)

6.) 20 Feb 2020 15:22:04
"Not interested in mega deals"

I suggest you have a quick chat with Ed002 about the amounts being talked about for Werner and Diego Carlos (and even Cantwell) before you start suggesting that these wouldn't be "mega deals".

I suspect 2 of them would probably break our current transfer record.

7.) 20 Feb 2020 15:23:16
I’d be still in the market for someone who can at least keep Mane and Salah on their toes. Divok miles better through the middle. Mini and Ox are not wide players imo. We need someone with lightning pace who can play either flank and come in naturally so our style doesn’t change. The problem is Mo and Sadio are that good, it’s hardly attractive for a player trying to compete for places vs them 2! Also a back up left back.

8.) 20 Feb 2020 15:50:46
By mega deal I meant a super high profile transfer where there will be £300-500k a week contracts, 9 figure transfer fees, a player moving from one European heavyweight to another, and huge involvement from agents.

I doubt Werner or Carlos would cost much more than £70m each and I doubt they are expecting wages over £200k a week.

For me, our strength is built on unity. Bringing in a kid unproven in the Prem and putting them straight in as our highest earner sounds like a ticking time bomb.

Don't know if that makes more sense. I don't really class any 8 figure tranafer fee or 5 figure salary as a mega deal. Sad that football has come to that though.

9.) 20 Feb 2020 15:53:02
Surely Curtis Jones can take lallanas place in the squad rather then buying Cantwell.

10.) 20 Feb 2020 15:54:13
Which of them is going to cost 75mil+ reddawn? Werner perhaps but the others, no way. I don't see us spending big on another cb, gomez is great. Matip is more than capable.

11.) 20 Feb 2020 15:31:05
We don't need to replace Shaqiri, he hardly played this year, and for his cameos I would rather Elliot get a chance .
I do think we are in some kind of talk about Werner, but I would expect him to replace one of the main front 3 possibly Mane.

12.) 20 Feb 2020 19:15:32
PB, Cantwell is not good enuff to play for LFC right now, IMO. I'd rather give Curtis Jones Lallana's spot cos he has earned it, IMO rather than give it to some 30m- rated big fish in a tiny pond like Cantwell at Norwich.

13.) 20 Feb 2020 19:32:11
Cantwell could take both Lallana and Shaqiris place in the squad, both never play and are of the age that they are not likely going to get fit and at their best ever again.

14.) 20 Feb 2020 19:57:27
If we had to replace one of the front three, to be honest I think my choice would be Salah, not hating on him or bashing him, I just believe Sadio and Bobby are better all round footballers and would be a bigger all round loss.

15.) 20 Feb 2020 20:02:12
I'd sell Keita to play Jones a bit more personally. However remember Jones is only 19. In 2 years time when he turns 21, Hendo / Gini will be winding down and Milner will most likely be gone. There is no pressure to rush him into regular football. Same goes for Elliot. He's 16. He can replace Salah or Mane in 4 years maybe but don't put that kind of stock in him yet. We don't want another Harry Wilson who fails to fulfil his potential because he got given too much too soon.

I do take the point regarding game time though, thinking about it. If we did land Werner and Cantwell we would probably be wise to move Origi on too. We don't want a situation like at City were people are fussing over game time.

On Cantwell, I saw someone say he is a big fish in a small pond but I totally disagree. I think he's got a little bit of something special about him. I think Klopp could turn him into a monster.

16.) 20 Feb 2020 20:55:27
I can see mane leaving too. All this real Madrid talk must have some legs. But I think he'll regret it.

17.) 20 Feb 2020 21:48:39
Lack of really good and consistent midfield creativity is probably the one area that Klopp has not addressed sufficiently well since he's come, in my opinion. He's sorted our defense and attack issues superbly. So my vote goes for Havertz. It doesn't stop à Cantwell joining, or Jones developing, because Lallana will leave this summer and Milner, the next. I think the Grujic boat has already sailed given his work permit issues, and that an English player will join one way or another given the two possible homegrown departures (Lallana and Milner) in up to two years.

18.) 20 Feb 2020 22:51:57
ArAy, I don't have time to watch any of Europes other leagues nowadays so if I'm honest I've never seen Havertz play other than highlights. He looks good though.

19.) 21 Feb 2020 04:05:11
Have none of ye seen havertz this season who call for us to break the bank for a player who's form is miles away from last season. His previous reputation is conning many into believing he's a ready made world star instead of an inconsistent young prospect which he is yet.

20.) 21 Feb 2020 11:12:17
Plain Bread. I've watched only a couple of games, but I'm convinced he's worth investing in. Perhaps not at the numbers being touted (I'll leave that to Michael Edwards), but he's basically a very talented AM/ CM with a lot of potential. He passes both the short and long ball accurately, he can dribble and he's the man who sits between the two lines and feeds the front forwards- something Ox and Keita are not able to do on a consistent enough basis, but which Henderson does when moved up. You could say a much younger version of Ruben Neves of Wolves, that needs polishing of some of the rough edges. He's tall, and once he fills up that thin frame with age, he'll also be an imposing figure in the middle of the park like a Matic or Rodri. He's been moved back to CM this season from his usual AM position so he's not scored as many goals or been seen as equally effective as last year (read the ranting post above), but that's football; team needs come first. I rate him highly only because of the fact that he provides great through balls on a consistent basis; something our midfield badly needs. Some say that Curtis Jones could also fulfil all of that. It's a matter of personal preference . A home grown 19 year old player with experience only at the U23 level (Jones) or a 20 year old (Havertz) with 4 years experience in the Bundesliga already.

21.) 21 Feb 2020 22:30:01
ArAy1969 you refer to my "Rant" but then give an analysis of the player very far from accurate, he hasn't been in a deep CM role more this season like you claim, in fact he's playing more often from the right and behind the striker than he did last season when Brandt was playing alongside him. I do think he's an excellent talent but thinking he's going to be a ready made success in what you seem to think we lack is far from guaranteed.

These killer balls and assists you expect? 2 assists this year, 3 assists last year. Most of our midfield players easily provide more than that so I don't see how you base that argument. And to actually compare him with neves, rodri or matic is far from accurate.

Don't get me wrong the lad is a great prospect but for £100mil I think you'd need a better suited formation to see him succeed than our midfield is.

Remember guys like ozil, isco, gotze, nasri, Ben arfa, Oscar, Rodriguez, renato Sanches and recently dembele and Felix. Those were all regarded as the hottest talent around world football after a year or 2 at similiar age and for 100mil I want to be bringing in proven world class talent instead of risking that kind of money on a player who's career can easily drift down a path like the ones I listed above. He's been poor for the first half of the season that's common knowledge from anyone who's followed German football so I'm just unsure if he's worth it for a position were not even struggling in to upgrade.



03 Feb 2020 14:49:07
Ed's, any chance of a Euro's 2020 banter page?

Would be interesting to start debating squad selection, best XI's and tournament favourites etc. Wouldn't want it to clog up the club pages though.

Plain Bread

{Ed033's Note - Ok, i have created a Euro 2020 page

1.) 03 Feb 2020 16:13:24
That was rapid 33! You're a legend.

2.) 03 Feb 2020 22:47:10
I'd be interested to see what percentage of Liverpool supporters will follow the Euros much. I'd be even more interested to see the percentage from within the city that follow it much.
I'm overseas now but sometimes watch England games with a mate from London. He just takes it way more seriously than me. When England get knocked out I tend to laugh and he smashes something.
Is it just me?

3.) 04 Feb 2020 06:41:01
Im with you, Burkey. I stopped caring how well England were doing not long after i moved away from the UK. The media there hypes up the England team and cranks up the patriotism each world cup to the point you feel that good old Blighty is going to smash the darn germans and french teams and resurrect the spirit of ‘66 and make Britain great again.
You step away from that and its mainly dull football played by a bunch of over-hyped players.

4.) 04 Feb 2020 06:52:54
Exactly IDOG. If I had a choice between England winning the world cup and Liverpool winning a jam donut, no contest.

5.) 04 Feb 2020 08:26:34
I hope all the Liverpool boys have absolute stormers in the tourney and show how good they are. On the other hand since am a Scot I also hope Kane scores an own goal off his rear end for another heart wrenching tourney exit 😛.

6.) 04 Feb 2020 08:38:31
Only reason most people watch the euros is that there is no domestic football to watch.

7.) 04 Feb 2020 12:21:50
Lads calm yourselves! I'm supporting Holland for Virgil and Wijnaldum!

Only way i'm Interested in England is if Kane is injured and Hendo is leading a team comprising of Trent, Gomez, Ox and Ings.

8.) 04 Feb 2020 12:38:35
Born and raised in Spain, England was maybe the first team I watched (have english parents) and I do enjoy international football still, it's a bit more unpredictable, I'd rather watch Liverpool over England any day obviously. In Spain I'd say it's just as, if not a bigger deal than club football to the average joe, especially the world cup.



18 Jan 2020 11:18:26
Interesting question I saw this morning. Which midfield is better?

1. Alonso, Mascherano, Gerrard
2. Henderson, Fabinho, Wijnaldum

Now for me this isn't a straight comparison because the systems were poles apart. Benitez played with two holding and Gerrard behind the striker with no defensive responsibilities. Meanwhile Klopp plays a much more complete style where everyone is responsible for attack and defence.

As much and Xabi and Masch were great for Liverpool, I think it's fair to say they never peaked at Liverpool. Xabi peaked at Madrid and Masch peaked at Barca. Fabinho does the job they did as a pair pretty much on his own, however Hendo and Gini protect him much better than Gerrard ever protected Xabi and Masch. So it's a tough call to make. I personally think that Fab can defend much better than Masch and is nearly as good as Xabi as a deep lying playmaker though. So I'd say he probably edges this area.

The harder comparison is Hendo and Gini with Gerrard. Gerrard was a phenom. He could do things on the ball almost no other player could. But out of possession he was pretty much a passenger. If he ever did get stuck in he'd usually mistime tackles and get booked or worse. On that front Hendo and Gini are far more intelligent and composed players. Their game management is better than any I've seen across Europe right now. They control the tempo, they drop when we are struggling, they press when we are on the front foot, they keep it simple under pressure, and pick out the Hollywood passes if they've got time and willing runners.

Gerrard always seemed to want to force things to happen on his own. Let's be honest here, he was so good it came off half the time! So how do you split these midfield threes?

On paper I don't think you can.

In a counter attacking machine under Rafa, Masch was a solid terrier to win the ball (though clearly the weakest link), and Alonso was the perfect passer to launch attacks from inside his own 3rd. Gerrard was the ultimate driving force who could carry two average wingers and even an average striker if Torres wasn't playing. They were nearly perfect for their team and their manager.

In a high pressing team of mentality monsters, I really don't think we could do much better than Fabinho as the anchor and Henderson as the enabler. They are both the best in the world at what they do and the fact we are where we are supports that. Wijnaldum is a superb player. He keeps possession and basically fills in gaps. His reading of the game is brilliant. He is probably the weakest link but it's more because the other two are so good than because he is limited as a player like in Mascherano's case.

I think overall there is only one way to make the choice and it is perhaps a little unfair. Rafa's trio had 3 years playing together and they won absolutely nothing. Klopps trio have had about 18 months and they have 3 trophies and arguably are on course for a league title inside 2 years together.

Maybe that's a harsh way to split them because trophies aren't won solely in midfield. As well as that, individually Gerrard is obviously the pick of the bunch. Alonso also went on elsewhere to be the best midfielder in Europe for a time, in my opinion. However, for what they achieved as a unit in the Red of Liverpool I think you have to say that the trio of 2019 have clearly surpassed the trio of 2008.

I'll leave you with a quote that perhaps sums up how the current trio have achieved more than Gerrard and Alonso, and in a more competitive era.

"Choose the best player for every position, and you'll end up not with a strong XI, but with 11 strong 1's. " - Johan Cruyff.

Plain Bread

1.) 18 Jan 2020 12:11:33
Plain Bread, I love your post. IMO, both midfield's are set up differently and are set up to achieve different objectives based on the ethos of both managers which dictate the systems they play.

I will say that I doubt apart from maybe Xabi in the DM/ DLP role, either Masche or SG could play in this midfield cos I doubt they would have the legs for it. IMO, the current trio are way more physical and are much better athletes than Rafa's midfield were hence, would not hack it in a high-energy Klopp system in or out of possession. Another system? Definitely they would be great. Just my opinion.

2.) 18 Jan 2020 12:19:03
If I had a gun 2 my head I'd take Gerrard, Masch and Alonso. but only just. if that midfield had our present day defence and Mo, Bobby and Sadio ahead of them they would be lethal.

3.) 18 Jan 2020 12:51:38
might be bending the rules here, but id take xabi all day and every day and put him in our current midfield! :)

4.) 18 Jan 2020 12:58:26
Mach, Xabi and Stevie win it hands down for me. If we had those 3 in our midfield now we'd be on 63 points rather than 61!
Those 3 had everything from tough tackling to unbelievable passing to scoring screamers from 40 yards.
Our current midfield probably has a better work rate though.

5.) 18 Jan 2020 13:18:50
Klopp enjoys better squad strength than Benitez did, so his midfield can absorb key men missing better than Benitez could.
I would also add that Klopp’s style is very much broadening and becoming more flexible. Whilst 4-3-3 is the basic system, we’ve seen him continually mix it up, both in-game and for certain opponents. And that fluidity is one of the main reasons for the success imo, we can adapt and respond.
There’s no doubt that over a season Klopp’s team would top Benitez’.
But Klopp’s flexibility would allow him to accommodate all 3 of Benitez’ midfield men. Not together and not even as starters perhaps, but I’m sure he’d love to have all 3 such players as part of his group.

6.) 18 Jan 2020 13:51:57
I think the reason Hendo, Gini, Fab work well is because of the system that they play in and the team around them.

Gerrard would have been world class for any team and Alonso proved he was too at Madrid and Bayern, I was always a big fan off Mascherano as well as he was such a terrier!

I love our midfield but I'd argue that perhaps the individuals wouldn't be quite so successful in a different set-up. Gini's role has changed massively since moving to us and Hendo doesn't quite have the same impact playing in a different team when with England.

Gerrard Vs Fabinho would have been a great battle to watch! World-class AM Vs world class DM.

Really interesting question, nice debate!

7.) 18 Jan 2020 15:14:06
Personally feel the front three's determination to win the ball back has allowed our midfield to exceed what Gerrard, Masch, Alonso were capable of, although I'd rate Gerrard and Alonso as our best from that group. I actually think Wijnaldum doesn't get enough credit and would say he's the third best on that list (Mascherano being last as he doesn't have the range of passing, dribbling the others do) . Henderson ahead of Fabinho. But our midfield three are still writing their story and may ultimately prove themselves legendary. Our current team has so much more talent in reserve compared to Rafa's (Didi aside, you have to say Ox, Milner, Keita would start week in and out at any team in the top four except City)

8.) 18 Jan 2020 15:28:01
Not even a question, Gerrard is the most complete footballer ever and alonso is one of the best passers ever Mash was quality at winning the ball back but then gave it away then win it back and give e it away. So he was not the best .

9.) 18 Jan 2020 15:43:29
Gini being a limited player sounds a bit dodgy but a good besides that.

10.) 18 Jan 2020 16:20:53
I'd definitely go for Gerrard, Alonso and Masch. That is the better midfield and had they had the quality in front of them and behind them as this team does, they would have won the league several times.

11.) 18 Jan 2020 17:07:18
Sg8 I always thought the same about masch, would win the ball a lot, often in style but his passing was awful so the opposition received it back anyway.

12.) 18 Jan 2020 18:04:17
Good post PB. But for me, Gerrard was z brilliant tackler.

13.) 18 Jan 2020 18:17:37
IMO, Masche was a headless Terrier who had NO positional awareness, lacked the type of passing range any of our current midfield 3 have and simply would not start over any of our current lot, IMO

Also, Xabi actually made SG a better player which is a testament to his football IQ and raw ability on the ball and his presence on the pitch. Xabi and SG are better and more complete footballers in terms of raw talent and ability HOWEVER as a group and under Klopp's scheme which is SO diverse, I don't think SG nor Masche would have the legs cos they are not as athletically gifted as the current starting crop.

14.) 18 Jan 2020 18:39:21
These are the wonderful articles I loved reading.
Welcome back Plain Bread and keep them coming.

15.) 18 Jan 2020 18:58:11
Masch was class. He stopped looking for the big passes and just won the ball and gave it to stevie or xabi.

16.) 18 Jan 2020 19:18:02
Can you imagine Gerrard and Alonso playing in this team with the movement of our front 3 ahead of them. God knows how many goals and assists they would get. 'World class' is used far too often these days, but Gerrard and Alonso were exactly that and would walk in to this team. Fabinho is far superior to Mascherano in my opinion.

17.) 18 Jan 2020 19:26:14
Gerrard not athletically gifted?
Are you referring to the 30-something Gerrard or the rampaging box-box young Gerrard who Benitez coached to slow down for his system?
You’ve contradicted yourself there RM, you praise Klopp’s diverse tactics and then proceed to write off both Masch and Gerrarrd as if they were playing in a 4-3-3.
Klopp occasionally plays a deeper 2 and Masch and Xabi could do that excellently, they balanced each other perfectly.
In which case, the defensive line drops 10 yards, the full backs stay deeper, and the advanced midfielder has the freedom to stay higher. Gerrard is perfect for that.
If Klopp played a 4-2-3-1 or similar then Benitez’ midfield could do that for him brilliantly imo.

18.) 18 Jan 2020 20:22:38
I hated our team under benitez. I remember Merson calling it subbutio football and for once in his life he was right. Everyone in their position and the team moved up and down the pitch keeping the space between players constant with no player leaving their position. Our default defensive line was on the edge of our own box which is why Hyypia and Carra where so good as they didn’t have, or need pace.
We were decent in the second half of the 08/ 09 season when we had a chance of the title. Other than that it was a bore fest.
This team is completely different. We are completely interchangeable and hold a high line. We are physically and mentally stronger than any other team in the world. For me that means the current midfield is better than Rafa’s.
That being said, if Stevie had been born 15 years later and was in his prime in this team we’d have won every game this season. They would probably have to make us play with 10 men just to make it fairer for everyone else.

19.) 18 Jan 2020 23:07:23
Fully agree B. P. Our football under Benitez was horrendous, boring, rigid. He was so full of himself that he couldn’t celebrate a goal or congratulate his players. Yes we won in Istanbul (no thanks to him) but we left another Champions League behind us two years later - if we’d only attacked that aging Milan team with pace we’d have beaten them easily but as usual Rafa could only stick to his defensive system. His ego cost us the league in 2009 with that crazy Facts rant and it could be argued that he cost Torres his career by playing him even though he wasn’t fit. He even tried to sell Alonso so he could replace him with Gareth Barry. WTF! I remember the Real Madrid president describing our football at the time as “rubbish on a stick” and he was bloody right.

20.) 19 Jan 2020 14:02:45
Red Meister, your doubts about Steven Gerrard playing in the current Liverpool midfield because he would not have the legs are totally unfounded. As well as being superbly technically gifted and hugely skilful, in his prime Steven was also a fantastic athlete. Alongside The King Kenny as the most complete footballer I have seen in over 50 years watching The Mighty Reds, he would be a huge asset to the current team.

21.) 19 Jan 2020 14:56:10
Would be interesting to get some actual facts on both midfields running stats. See quite a few posts saying our current Midfield are athletes but let’s be honest Stevie and Masch weren’t slouches when it came to putting high energy shifts in either.



16 Jan 2020 11:01:59
So much panic about regarding the 2020 Olympics and AFCON 2021 disrupting next year. We will only be missing Salah, Keita, Minamino and Mane.

It's not been bad on this site to be fair but all over the internet I seem to be seeing Liverpool fans writing off next season.

Klopp managed to get through the Christmas period with a 100% record despite only having 14 senior players at one point. I wish a section of our fans would put some respect on his name.

Chelsea used to lose Mikel, Kalou, Essien and Drogba all at the sane time and they just cracked on. Sure we can too.

Plain Bread

1.) 16 Jan 2020 11:23:49
"Only" Salah, Keita, Minamino and Mane!

2.) 16 Jan 2020 11:26:54
We Can't take the risk. I think we should Sell them all on the Cheap.

3.) 16 Jan 2020 11:28:58
He got through the xmas period with mane and Salah pal not without them!

4.) 16 Jan 2020 12:10:54
Liverpool are a very big and global enterprise. I am sure they have plans in mind for this, as well as for lots of other things as well.

The thing about internet. More and more people talk as if like they know everthing and others dont. Just ignore them. I don't think the club is that stupid to not have plans for this.

5.) 16 Jan 2020 12:11:48
That is if they still at the club come that time .

6.) 16 Jan 2020 12:13:25
He beat Barcelona without Gomez, Robertson, Keita, Salah and Firmino too.

Max of 3 players at one time out of 20 shouldn't kill our team. If it does, Klopp isn't that great after all.

7.) 16 Jan 2020 12:15:01
Salah will be someone else's worry don't worry about that.

8.) 16 Jan 2020 13:19:27
Front 3 during AFCON:
Origi, Firmino, Minamino

Front 3 during Olympics:
Origi, Firmino, Mane

How awful.

9.) 16 Jan 2020 19:07:52
Whether he'll still be with us or not, Brewster will also be a year older. If he lives up to what is expected of him, it'll be his time to shine and stake a claim for his place in the team.

10.) 16 Jan 2020 19:02:10
That's if all players are fit plain bread. I think it is a worry. But I'm sure the club will have plans in place. I think minamino is part of the plan.

11.) 16 Jan 2020 19:38:36
Spot on, Plain Bread. Also, who says we won' sign players in the Summer preceeding these tournaments. Klopp has been here for 4 years now and it is still panic at the disco whenever a player or two can play during a period of time. Get A Grip!



30 Dec 2019 10:43:10
All this rubbish about Wolves deserving something yesterday is a nonsense for me. We deserved a win against Man Utd by that logic.

The decisions for the goals were technically correct yesterday. Although I think these marginal offsides are a joke. If you need to start drawing vertical dotted lines you've gone mad and it is not clear and obvious. That's the sane for everyone though so cry me a river.

This is all beside the point. VAR is not perfect, just like referees never have got every call right. What matters is how you react to a decision going against you. If Wolves goal had stood, do you think Liverpool would've come out for the last 45 minutes in second gear to conserve energy and grind put the 1-0? Or would Wolves have come out with the "us against the world" fire in their bellies and found an extra 20% from pure anger and adrenaline? The 2nd half would've been totally different and nobody can predict how it would have played out. In the scenario dealt to with teams yesterday Liverpool scored more allowed goals than their opponent and that is why we won.

The reason why everyone thinks VAR is favouring Liverpool is because we are playing so well that the decisions which go against us are not preventing us from getting a result. And there have been several times we've suffered over tight or harsh decisions. Firmino was not offside vs Villa, Villa's goal was offside, Mane was not offside vs Watford, Mane had a harsh handball vs Man Utd, clear Foul on Origi vs Man Utd, seceral clear penalties not given when people have Salah in a headlock because he doesn't go down, clear penalties when Matip or Van Dijk are wrestled to the floor at set pieces etc.

That is what I mean by the reaction. When a decision goes against our "mentality monsters" they dust themselves off and go and pick up points anyway. Whereas for other teams who aren't as much better than the rest of the league than we are right now, a tight decision can sway a close game and seemingly cost them more than its costing us.

People always try to throw stones at the team on top of the tree. It'll never change. Fact is, VAR is getting things right and wrong for everybody but the old saying still stands; "You make your own luck".

Plain Bread

{Ed025's Note - good post that mate..

1.) 30 Dec 2019 11:33:51
I agree with this post, though I don’t want to dwell on VAR anymore.
But I wouldn’t be so effusive in praise for Nuno, his game plan was essentially the same as we’ve seen from opposing teams so many times at Anfield recently; sit back for a hour and open up in the last 30 minutes.
The first half was totally boring as Wolves saturated their own half with bodies, denying space particularly to Mane and Robertson whilst also having 2 or 3 players constantly on Salah when he was in possession. Oddly the one player given some room was Trent.

I believe Carra gave the wrong Scouser the MoM award, I’d have gone with Coady.
He was virtually flawless. Having said that, Wolves had so many defenders that Coady was able to play almost as an old fashioned sweeper. Everything was in front of him and he read the game well.

Perhaps if Wolves had used Traore more, they’d have got something?
There was a collective inhalation of breath around Anfield when he received the ball, followed by a huge cheer if he was tackled or waves of anxiety if he wasn’t.
He looked a player, and Klopp certainly made a point of congratulating him after ffull time. I think Traore will be coveted by a CL team if he were to chose to leave Wolves.

Nuno’s Wolves are very well coached and do everything in numbers, defending and advancing like a concertina. But their risk / reward approach erred on the side of caution, for me and, as PB pointed out, they should and could have done more to get a positive result.

2.) 30 Dec 2019 12:17:30
Maybe if the fixture compilers had given us a little more time to recover after the City game, we could have played our first team and gave you a tougher challenge.
The kids you saw on display are just the tip of the iceberg. We have a conveyor belt of the top young talent on the planet, very rich owners and a world class super-agent building our team. We have only been back in the Premier for 18 months and gave you a game with our second team two days after beating the current champions.

3.) 30 Dec 2019 13:28:23
Wolf, that wasn’t your second team, buddy. Only Raul Jimenez, who is your best player by an absolute mile even ahead of all this world class young talent you have, and Traore might have started on another day.
Your team has also only won 7 games this season - out of a possible 20. Dress it up as you like, promise us you’ll take over the world until you’re blue in the face, but your team lost yesterday. Aston Villa have been back in the PL for 5 months and made us work harder for the win than that. Your club has a long, LONG way to go.

4.) 30 Dec 2019 15:27:20
Yes, yes, of course. And the beat goes on.




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Spot on 6 times. I think if Klopp switched to the 442 from 2017 where we won a couple of games 7-0 it would work with Traore on the right, Mane left, and Salah up front with Bobby.

But in the 433 we currently play Traore would be an atrocious direct replacement. Salah doesn't really play as a right winger. He drifts inside so Hendo and/ or Arnold can overlap and get balls into the box. Right wing is just a position you stand at kick off; positions are fallacies nowadays. Salah plays higher up than any other player in our team to the point he's basically a striker who just starts out from the right channel.

Traore will not match the goal return Salah gives us short or long term. He's a good player but people have Match of the Day fever because his blistering pace makes him look good against Liverpool and Man City's high defensive lines.

If Klopp wants him to change system or give us a better impact sub fair enough but he is not even remotely similar to Salah. Where he stands at kick off is irrelevant.

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5 goals and 10 assists in 94 games? That Traore? A replacement for Salah with 72 goals and 25 assists in 113 games?

I like Traore and I'd take him at the club to replace say Shaqiri or Origi. I trust Klopps judgement and ability to improve players. But if he replaces Salah, one of the top 5 forwards in the world, with a one trick Olympic sprinter then he's mental.

Traore isn't even in the top 50 forwards in the world. In fact he's only the 3rd best forward at Wolves.

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08 Feb 2020 08:48:52
There is a lot of rumours about some Turkish keeper; Ugurcan Cakir. Maybe he'd be Adrian's replacement.

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13 Jun 2020 11:27:03
ArAy, people have also not forgotten the Dunk free kick he conceded when he was messing about with the wall.

Or the goal he threw in against Chelsea to get us knocked out of the cup.

It's hard to forgive him getting us knocked out the Champions League single handedly mostly. We had the game won and all he had to do was kick the ball into the sky.

He's not good enough for this level. Seems like a great bloke and I'm really pleased he'll walk away knowing he won us the shootout in the Super Cup final, and he'll have 3 medals to show his grandkids. I wish him all the best if he leaves and if he stays, I'll still back him every time he pulls on the shirt.

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13 Jun 2020 10:13:23
We have so many keepers.
Alisson, Adrian, Karius, Kelleher, Lonergan, Grabara, George, McKenzie-Lyle, and Jaros.

Realistically 5 of them need to be moved on this summer.

I'd have Alisson and Grabara for the first team.

Then Kelleher and Jaros for the ressies.

Move the rest on.

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09 Jun 2020 19:24:44
Trent Alexander Arnold and Roberto Firmino are world class playmakers.

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09 Jun 2020 10:35:22
Salah didn't play as a second striker at Roma. Where did you get that from? He played on the right side of a front 3 but he played slightly more like an actual winger there as the striker was Dzeko who, unlike Firmino, played as a traditional striker. Therefore there wasn't as much space in the middle as Firmino creates by dropping off.

Salah and El Shaarawy/ Perotti were as much the suppliers as they were the goal scorers. Salah still played as a very attacking wide forward in my opinion though. Certainly not behind Dzeko though.

If anyone played behind Dzeko it was Totti. Maybe you've just remembered it incorrectly Mr. Jockey.

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27 May 2020 09:03:34
Going to be a great season of Judge Rinder next year!

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