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07 Aug 2019 16:04:34
I love an over the top analysis of something minor so here goes nothing (fits tinfoil hat) .

Liverpool have again updated their first team squad page on the official site with Adrian signing. However they've retaken everyone's photo with the new kit.

Or have they? None of the loaned out players had their picture retaken, but there were 5 players still listed as at the club Who also didn't make the cut for a picture. Clyne, Kent, Jones, Ejaria and Chirivella.

With that in mind I expect we'll see Kent, Ejaria and Chirivella sold. Curtis Jones probably will be loaned out. Clyne probably just missed the photo shoot because he's in rehab but I suspect he is also for sale if anyone wants a player out with a knee injury in the last 24 hours.

Van Den Berg was also given a squad number finally (72) and Kelleher was photographed in the new black kit so it looks like he'll be 3rd choice keeper behind Alisson and Adrian who also has a squad number now (13).

Sure, I'm not tracking planes but I'm working night shift this week so I need something to do during the day!

Plain Bread

1.) 07 Aug 2019 16:16:49
There’s hope on Clyne. Chelsea have asked their lawyers to check the small print on their ban to see if they are allowed to sign players from the knickers yard who probably won’t play this year. 🙈🤣.

2.) 07 Aug 2019 18:21:01
Tell me more about this "knickers yard". Sounds like my kind of environment!

3.) 07 Aug 2019 18:29:09
The knickers yard sounds pants!

4.) 07 Aug 2019 18:40:48
Whatever happens, you’ve got to chuckle at United unsuccessfully trying to spaff money around like a drunk trying pull at chucking out time or overpaying for English players. I reckon that Maguire could be their Andy Carroll moment.

5.) 07 Aug 2019 19:38:08
Love it 6 times.

6.) 07 Aug 2019 22:11:32
Nailed it 6Times, Pepe, Rodri, Cancelo, Ndombele. all players where I can understand the price tag involved and why our current/ historic rivals went for them. Then There's United splashing out £80 Million on Maguire. Hilarious.

7.) 08 Aug 2019 08:55:06
Amsterdam are set to change the name of their famous red light district, to the “Knickers Yard. ” Chelsea are scouring the area for last minute window buys. 🚨.

8.) 08 Aug 2019 10:39:30
More likely to be WAGs from the "knickers yard" isn't it?

9.) 08 Aug 2019 11:00:41
From WAGs to riches.

10.) 08 Aug 2019 15:20:59
'A place where unrequired fabric is slaughtered' - like Clyne's LFC top.



30 Jun 2019 08:14:14
So Salah to Madrid for 100m + Asensio, and then spend the money on Pepe. New look Fab 4 ????

Oh my Fowler, I love silly season!

Plain Bread

1.) 30 Jun 2019 09:16:09
I think youre right - it is silly season!

Some papers are reporting the Asensio-Man swap, but if we had to let one of our front three go, I would rather Salah be replaced than Man. If Im honest, in my opinion, Man is irreplaceable. His work rate and unselfish harrying of opposition defenders and midfielders is as good as Firminos and only Bernardo Silva at City is in the same bracket. Only my opinion!

I also wouldnt take asensio, but Klopp has polished a few rough diamonds, so all faith in the manager!

2.) 30 Jun 2019 09:23:54
Do you mean Mane?

3.) 30 Jun 2019 10:32:16
It's Man they're writing about this time.

4.) 30 Jun 2019 09:34:44
Honestly dont get the hype with Asensio, I cant recall one game Ive ever seen him in where hes been a stand out performer. A very mediocre footballer if you ask me. 100m plus Asensio is about 100000001.00 in real terms. As for Pepe, hes had one good season in his career and for the most part looks like his legs and brains dont interact together.

5.) 30 Jun 2019 12:04:57
I hope we don't sell any of the front 3. They are all too good to be replaced. I hope we keep them all until they are 29-30 years at least.

6.) 30 Jun 2019 17:25:01
Everyone always the NEXT thing.

Asensio and Pepe arent a patch on Mo Salah.

We need to consolidate the squad, not weaken it.

7.) 01 Jul 2019 11:48:11
I think you guys are right. It probably is Mane. I didn't actually open the link. Just saw "Real Madrid to offer Asensio to Liverpool in swap deal - Liverpool fans won't be happy about this".

Need more enticing bait than that for me to click!



06 Jun 2019 11:08:05
This is literally a rumour. I'm just passing on so please don't shoot me!

Apparently Liverpool are very close to matching the asking price for Nicolas Pepe.

Probably total BS.

Plain Bread

1.) 06 Jun 2019 11:36:11
He looks a player but I do only see this happening if the club see Salah moving on sometime soon. Personally think it is nothing, more likely we will go after someone like Maxwel Cornet who's been mentioned by the eds. Time will tell, think we need a few more outs from squad / loan returns before we see ins start coming in.

2.) 06 Jun 2019 11:36:40
It has come from L'Equipe who my understanding is pretty reliable when it comes to news from France.

If he does sign i do find it hard to see where he will fit in the system tho.

80m euros for a bench player can not see us spending that unless someone is leaving or we change the system completely.

3.) 06 Jun 2019 11:38:11
Nah, no way mate. Ed’s has already said we are not looking to spend vast sums of money on any players who are deemed as back up. Front 3 pick themselves with Origi Brewster Shaqiri and Ox as back up.

4.) 06 Jun 2019 12:28:38
L'equipe not all that reliable.

5.) 06 Jun 2019 12:41:14
Yeah why would Liverpool target people who aren't good enough for the first team eh? if this season has proved anything its that the bench needs to be strong, so Salah having to leave or we will only buy if one of the front are leaving is bs, we need a squad capable of competing not just a team.

6.) 06 Jun 2019 12:43:57
my be he is seen as matching the front 3 we have and it is more off a rotation. with the others seen as back up, am sure with the league, champions league and the other cups there is enough games for all 4 to play. would only mean they would all not start about 9 league games each a season. And just because there not starting them games does not mean they won't play.

7.) 06 Jun 2019 13:01:10
It’s not bs Lancaster Red it’s reality mate and exactly were we are at. We won’t and can’t spend crazy money every window without players leaving.

8.) 06 Jun 2019 13:03:36
Man we won't sign any rotation or back up player for 80.000.000 €!

9.) 06 Jun 2019 13:14:50
The Firm on Twitter, yes THAT guy, is claiming we have made an offer of £68m.

Waiting on an Ed002 come back containing the words 'Bolton, 'kid', 'no contact'and 'fat'.

{Ed002's Note - Did the Fat Kid from Bolton tell you in which order De Ligt, Werner, Pepe, Dybala, Lemar and most of the Lyon team will be arriving this summer?}

10.) 06 Jun 2019 13:23:39
Nicolas Pepe is a quality attacking player, to challenge for top honours the club needs like for like replacements, this is why Man City are the best in the country, Sterling can be replaced by Sanè, Silva with Mahrez. Shaqiri and Origi are decent backup players but not top end, would we challenge for the Premier League if Manè or Salah were injured for 6 months?

{Ed002's Note - So Pepe will be signed to cover for Salah or Mane being injured for 6 months? Sane, Mahrez and others are looking to leave Manchester City for lack of game time.}

11.) 06 Jun 2019 13:27:35
The 80M price tag is eye popping, but I don't buy into all this stuff about the team not wanting to spend a little this summer.

Klopp wants to deploy a 4-2-3-1 long-term. It's how we were lining up quite a bit this past season but seemed to have and pulled off of that because we lacked depth off the bench in a lot of key positions in that lineup. There absolutely is room for Pepe in the squad though if the plan is indeed to line up that way. Salah plays in front of Firmino, and Pepe plays outside. It feels like Shaq may move on too, and be replaced with someone that can be more reliable on the press that will provide cover on the wings off the bench.

{Ed002's Note - If Klopp wants a 4-2-3-1 he has been buying the wrong players.}

12.) 06 Jun 2019 13:38:44
Can we leave this thread as it is please. Pèpè is not happening. The Fat kid from Bolton who ever he is is obviously talking BS yet again.

Let’s move on.

13.) 06 Jun 2019 13:39:37
Ed002, you forgot the words 'no contact'.

I lose track but, I think, so far he had only confirmed Lemar, Werner and De Ligt signing, in that order.

We all know it is BS until confirmed on here.

14.) 06 Jun 2019 14:08:37
Ed002, I respectfully disagree with that. I can't really figure out what he wants to do with Keita, but besides that he's targeted highly adaptable players that have the versatility to play many different ways in different positions and different formations. I believe we lined up in the 4-2-3-1 like 10 times last year and never lost a game, which was easily our second most common formation. Shaqiri's struggles in the press along with our limited depth in the attacking positions were a major weakness though, and we had to go back to the 4-3-3 after the new year otherwise those weaknesses would have caught up with us.

It seems like it's Klopp's goal to deploy the 4-2-3-1 the majority of the time once we have the lineup for it.

15.) 06 Jun 2019 15:12:29
*nonsense FM bull and abuse deleted*

{Ed001's Note - all you have done is post personal attacks against editors on the site. You are no longer welcome, take your clueless Football Manager nonsense somewhere else.}

16.) 06 Jun 2019 15:25:31
To compete with city you need options in the squad that can offer genuine competition for places. City have this and is why not only can they compete in all competitions but when you're struggling to break a Leicester city or West Ham team down you can bring on real game changers. Seems you can't win there's too many games for players to stay fit and compete but buying quality to help with the work load and compete for a starting place must mean someone's moving on. Sturridge is gone Moreno gone but we already have a left back but that position is ok tohabe cover for? I'd prefer klopp to look at investing in youth as cover but if the club bought quality to push the club on it's the logical next step. Rotation is an important part of football these days. So if they sign Pepe I wouldn't be surprised because there's champions league premier league fa cup league cup world club cup super cup and charity shield games to compete in. Having options is a good thing.

17.) 06 Jun 2019 16:27:48
Yes but that is what has happened with our squad. Klopp has bought players and this has made the squad try harder. No-one saw Wijnaldum being an integral part of our season. Same with Matip and Origi.

18.) 06 Jun 2019 17:43:36
Ed’s - do you think it’s possible we may buy an attacker and play Firmino as attacking midfielder?

{Ed001's Note - why would we move our most important player from his best position?}

19.) 06 Jun 2019 17:50:33
Football manager is very outdated anyway. Most teams have one system for attacking, one for transition and one for defending so the tactical shape can change a lot in one match yet in that game you pick one formation and win everything hmm ok 👍.

20.) 06 Jun 2019 20:26:31
" Our most important player" no where near the top 5. I know you say these things for responses but that is insulting to much better players than Firmino. He has only had one good season at LFC and in his worst season we won the champions league and Firmino didn't play in the semi finals or the final.

Firmino has been a passenger all season.

{Ed001's Note - I am not going to waste my time on such a clueless post as yours. You really do make the most idiotic posts in your attempts to disagree with everything I say. Either that or you are absolutely clueless about the game because he is the key to our play according to people who actually matter, such as the coaching staff at the club. You really are just trolling with your posts and I can't be arsed with you any more. You have obviously had to move on from your constant denigration of Henderson to find a new target for you to be an arse to. Just do us all a favour and don't bother. Just like when you constantly slagged off the captain, it just shows how little understanding of the game you actually have.}

21.) 06 Jun 2019 20:38:00
I think we need more goals from midfield. Not necessarily another forward.

22.) 06 Jun 2019 22:05:49
Idiotic comment mark I guess you never read the analytical article about how our players are picked to compliment each other and that most of salahs goals etc are because he plays with Bobby. Do you think it would be the same if we had Kane? Not at all.

23.) 06 Jun 2019 22:55:16
so you think Firmino and Henderson had good seasons?

Firmino was poor

Henderson was ok and then brilliant for the last 10 games. Commentator said when Henderson scored v Southampton welcome to the Party pal.

You just have biased opinions on players you like. If you think Firmino was a key player this season you are totally biased and deluded. He didn't play in our most important games.

Van Dyke

Even Matip (the player you make jokes about) had a better season than Firmino. You suggested Firmino be dropped earlier in the season.
All these players over the season were better than Firmino and Hendo but you don't give Robbo for example anywhere near as much credit yet he had a far better season.

24.) 06 Jun 2019 22:59:48
I agree with 80% of what you say but when you make stupid statements like Firmino is our most important player of course I disagree because it is complete and utter crap.

You just never like to be wrong but that statement is false. We won the CL without Firmino we would not have won the cl without

Van Dyke
or Allison.

25.) 06 Jun 2019 23:07:55
Lercy that is just rubbish. Salah got 25 goals for Roma the season before he came? Mane, Salh Kane would get 15 extra goals IMO. Only LFC fans think otherwise. If Mane or Salah went to Barcelona or Madrid both would get 30 goals.

26.) 06 Jun 2019 23:58:38
Markp, a couple of weeks ago you were saying klopp should be sacked.

You need to relearn the game of soccer. Somewhere along the line you got lost.

{Ed001's Note - he is just a troll and I wouldn't waste my time on his moronic slagfests of Liverpool players. His posts should be treated as those of a 5 year old who has never seen a game of football as that is his level of understanding of it. He has clearly never learnt it and all he does is troll my comments with stupidity.}

27.) 07 Jun 2019 00:01:37
Flidby wjnuldum has been underrated at Liverpool always been a quality player since he has arrived. He was quality at Newcastle and think he won the Johan cruyff award they have in the Dutch league as well. Like with Henderson managers ask players to do specific jobs on the pitch which often means them sacrificing attacking instinct. Fabinho coming in has really released these players to be able to perform a more attacking role. He is a bit of an unsung hero this year as VVD and Alison getting all the defensive plaudits (and rightly so) . Matip was quality when he joined (for free) he's a good player has his wobbles but he's not as prone to howlers as lovren is. Gomez was excellent with vvd and if he makes a mistake he has the pace to recover. Anyway point is no surprise they've done well. Origi is a shocker I didn't see that coming but he has put in some decent performances and got some crucial goals. Lad deserves chance to prove himself. But I still believe as a squad we are short up top.

28.) 07 Jun 2019 00:22:47
"we would not have won the cl without "

How can you forget Origi , he took us to the final and then won it for us .

Beside that, I agree with you, Firmino did n't have a good season, for whatever reason, but you can't deny when he is fit and well lake last year, he can be a very good player, creative and hard working . Last year he made most of the space that Salah used to score his 30+ goals.

29.) 07 Jun 2019 06:25:01
Just because Firmino didn't have the best season, doesn't mean he's not our most important player. The space he creates, the defending from the front, the interaction with Mane and Salah, the unpredictability of his passing and movement.
He didn't play in our biggest games but i would suggest we would have stuffed Spurs by a greater margin if we had a fully fit Bobby playing the full 90.

30.) 07 Jun 2019 07:21:53
Its better to get a replacement in before any player leaves, Andy Carroll would have cost a lot less before Torres deal happened and I am sure Ajax would have stung us another 10m for Suarez if Torres had handed his transfer request in at the start of the window. Apart from Bobby the other 2 can play any of the front 3 positions so having Pepe allows Bobby and other a rest should they need one.

31.) 07 Jun 2019 08:22:51
And dzeko was the striker mark. Another one who’d compliment Salahs style of play.

32.) 07 Jun 2019 07:40:33
Thats bit of a insult to a 5 year old ed001 lol, mark only seem to go by players who score goals, and not the whole team, if you watch bobby closely you will see how he pulls defenders out to open up space for salah and mane, he the most unselfish player there is, that's why he don't get the praise he should.

33.) 07 Jun 2019 11:04:06
I thought Lemar had signed on the 1st of July last summer 🤔.

34.) 07 Jun 2019 11:06:30
Sure I've seen the asking price for Pepe closer to 40 than 80? i don't get why people are scared of Liverpool have strength in depth and rotating the squad. Boggles my mind.

35.) 07 Jun 2019 12:35:18
Do you ever imagine that Klopp asks players to play a specific way for the benefit of the team? Do you think that Henderson might just have been deployed as a defensive midfielder for most of his games under klopp but was then asked to get in the box towards the end of the season? Do you think that firmino is asked to do a job too? Also I like the idea that any player in a team that scored 97 points lost 1 game and won the champions league had a bad season.

36.) 07 Jun 2019 13:11:23
This is amazing, i've never seen anyone say Bobby has been rubbish. The guys play opens up so much space for the others to get forwards, the only striker who plays like him is the one at wolves, You lose Bobby you lose a very integral part of the team for the style of football we play.

Not sure if you watch any of the games on tv or have ever been to Anfield but the guy is an absolute terror to defend against.

meh infact this is like talking to 6 year old man utd fan who says but he doesn't score more than blaaa blaaa.

37.) 07 Jun 2019 13:12:37
I said Klopp should be sacked - are you mad Davey? I think over the last few years he has been awesome and the signings have been the best in the world. Klopp is more important than any player.

When a player has a great season like Firmino 2017/ 18 I say brilliant well played. But when he has a poor season I say that as well. Not great, great, great when it's untrue.

I agree with that Roy

He just isn't the most important for me Virgil.
Van Dyke
Mane etc
all far more important but just my opinion.

38.) 07 Jun 2019 13:27:00
Salah, Mane and Firmino are Key Players wich means they are going to play all posible games.
Bench Players like Shaqiri, Origi and Sturridge will play only when is needed.
Nicolas Pepe won’t come here to play when is needed he will go to a club were he can play all posible games and you don’t spend 70~80m in a player who is not going to play all posible games better to save the money and give reserves or youth players the chance and if needed buy a cheap or low cost squad player.

39.) 07 Jun 2019 17:32:28
I have no qualms with anyone who thinks Firmino isn’t our most important player as I personally agree but some of the criticism of him seems harsh mark. Perhaps it’s down to the anger of going back and forward with the Ed’s but he’s still a great player and important to the team, even if we disagree if he’s the most or not.

For what it’s worth, I love him and I do believe when he’s on form, our front 3 click and are unstoppable. However we’ve shown a side of our game this season where if he doesn’t (and he wasn’t for a lot of periods), we have other players to step up. In doing so, we were able to win the CL.

In terms of importance, I agree VVD and Allison are the most important for me. Then it’s more debatable. my preference is salah, mane and the full backs (who are critical as they provide creativity that our midfield can lack at times) .

On the original point. I’d love Pepe! Think he would fit in well.

40.) 08 Jun 2019 00:03:27
Hendo had a long world cup. Tjats why he wasnt starting games at the start of the season. But when he started he was brilliant. I just don't understand the hendo haters.

He just lifted the European f#@#@#g Cup for god sake.

41.) 08 Jun 2019 00:13:29
And firmino is absolutely brilliant. He is one of the first n mes on the team sheet. Our CF didn't reach 20 goals but he got a few. But our style is different, football has changed. Its why our wingers are winning golden boots every year. He is irreplaceable. We just let DS go so i guess we need some more cover for the forwards.

But, klopp seems to like the 4231. And i think he sees that as our way to win the league. So we need another forward.

I just don't understand people who don't see how important Henderson and firmino are.

I also think salah has been a bit greedy this season (can't blame him after last season, everything he hit went in) and i think that is why firmino saw less of the ball in our counter attacks. Bobby should be the guy you pass to to recieve a return flick that puts you in on goal.

42.) 10 Jun 2019 01:20:31
People who don't rate firmino have very little real understanding. Those views can only be taken of someone who only ever watches the balls position for 90 mins. Bobby struggled for the period he played in the 10 role. It didn't suit him, he looked lost for a few weeks and some have only judged him on that. Mark you say he never played in the big important games as an example, rubbish. When he went off early against United we lost all of our attacking rhythm, Barcelona at the nou camp we played well until the final third without him playing. We couldn't create anything against Everton either in goalless draw. Our midfield got slated for the United and Everton games, firmino only played a handful of minutes and was a big reason we struggled. 1st half away to Porto we were awful. He came on HT and changed whole team performance, came on at Burnley got a goal and assist and turned the game, came on PSG and got late winner, he played poor in the final and looked unfit, a big reason I think we played badly. Barca, United, Everton. 3 big games he missed, 3 games we failed to score. He is a hugely important player and there's no doubt about that.



29 May 2019 19:19:51
Rumours about today that we've spoken to Nicolas Pepe's agent. Just passing on a rumour though! Work colleague mentioned he'd read it online somewhere. Seen his name on here so thought I'd share 🤷‍♂️ Ed002, is he the one you said would likely be a Salah replacement?

Plain Bread

1.) 29 May 2019 19:42:03
While I'd love us to have a 4th option of equal quality to play in attack, I doubt we'll sign anyone ready made. I think the way we;ll end up with a 4th attacking player of the right quality is if we sign someone young and develop them, or someone from the academy.

Fingers crossed that Rhian Brewster can realise and fulfil his potential.

2.) 29 May 2019 19:42:37
I read it also, Duncan castles the united fan journalists tweeted it.
Pepe is a top young player, I think a Pepe type signing might see the likes of Salah or Mane leave.

3.) 29 May 2019 19:52:45
No way were after Pèpè. Ed002 mentioned only way we go after ashore signing is if Mane or Salah leaves! Not happening.

4.) 29 May 2019 22:06:52
I don’t think pepes ready made, its really been his breakthrough season this year. If we want to complete on 4 fronts, like city do, like all top teams do, we need strength in depth. 4 players for 3 positions, 50 plus games a season, so that’s 150 starts a year. Say origi and shaqiri play half the amount each, that’s 30 starts a season for the four and 15 for origi and shaq, plus sub appearances. is that bad?

5.) 30 May 2019 06:25:07
Doesn't work like that Firmane, injuries are not something anyone can predict with any degree of accuracy. Whilst Origi and Shaqiri can no doubt deputise for a period of time imagine if, say, Salah or Mane were crocked for an extended period? I have faith that Origi and Shaqiri can perform in spells - but to be consistently as good as those? Probably not. The idea of signing someone to both push them, and give us another option, makes a lot of sense to me, though who that player would be I have no clue as a rarely watch any other football besides ourselves.

6.) 30 May 2019 08:13:17
Seano, my point was we do need another player of a certain quality, and even if we do not have any long term injuries, they can all play plenty.

7.) 30 May 2019 10:35:54
i cannot understand why we can't have Pepe in our side! if Klopp trusted Origi and Shaq to rotate with the front 3 he would have done more often last season.
clearly we need that type of talen to come in compete.
why do you think City won the domestic treble? their bench was thick with high quality talent.

{Ed002's Note - Why do you think Jesus, Sane and others want out of Manchester City? Why would Pepe move to sit on the bench at Liverpool with Werner, Depay and Dybala? Why are Liverpool interested in someone else?}

8.) 30 May 2019 11:47:38
we are interested in someone else because front 3 can get injured at any time.
we were lucky last season.
most LFC fans prefer Firmino over Origi. Yeah, Orig got us to the final but over 60 games, Origi won't score 15 + goals in the league.
thats why were are looking for someone else.

9.) 30 May 2019 12:09:32
Yeah but ed, Jesus sane and mahrez are three players who are higher quality than shaq and origi. All can score goals and would be fine slotting into citys front three.

Whilst I’m not saying it has to be Pepe, we can’t compete on all fronts with shaq and origi as our only options for the bench or as competition.

I completely respect your opinion and knowledge, but to me that view is very black and white, that they will either replace salah or mane or be reserve. Competition is good, and yes, whilst I’m sure they will still be in our best 11, it doesn’t mean that salah mane and Firmino have to start every game.

{Ed002's Note - Right, and I have explained where Liverpool have an interest in others.}

10.) 30 May 2019 12:13:53
Not that agree of disagree with the idea of having back up players of high calibre but people who say "player X would not want to sit on the bench" well that's exactly what most players (especially attackers) do at Madrid and Barcelona nearly every season. Hell we lost one of our star players because he would rather sit on the bench at Barcelona than be a first teamer at liverpool. Same thing happened with Owen at madrid. There are plenty of other examples at other clubs too. There are even examples at our club both past and present.

Throughout the 90s Milan had world class players sitting on the bench because their first team was packed with world class players.

Players are ok with being a bench warmer sometimes if they are confident of their ability they assume they will work their way into the team, and if you're really good that's exactly what happens. When you're not good enough or have the wrong mentality you remain back up or you leave.

Football has no guarantees and most professional players accept that, even truly great ones.

11.) 30 May 2019 14:29:57
Agreed, Man City have Sane and Jesus looking at their options because they'd like more play time. Whatever happens in that regard, they'll sell them for a lot more than they paid for them, so as far as City are concerned, they can just sell them and replace them.

If any of our front three wanted to leave, we'd sell them for a hell of a lot more than we paid for them. I obviously cannot predict the crazy inflation of football players' transfer fees, but if Pepe came in for £70m, it's very hard to see that figure really increasing if it didn't work out. Of course it could, but very hard to predict future transfer fees in one or two season's time.

{Ed002's Note - There are others in the same boat - Sane and Jesus were just examples.}

12.) 30 May 2019 18:47:02
Thanks for the reply Ed002. What I was mainly getting at, is that unless you sign a player towards the end of their career, you won't normally lose too much on them if they're not happy with they're play time, unless of course they do something stupid, like bite someone.




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17 Aug 2019 17:18:50
Fantastic result today. My money was (figuratively) on a draw. I am very impressed that we could play 120 minutes on Wednesday night in Turkey and still show up on Saturday to do a professional job. The scoreline flattered Saints in the end. Bobby should've had another, and Adrian has made a bit of a howler. Could possibly have been a mental tiredness after the Super Cup but I think he is simply still adapting to our style. Don't forget that Alisson did a very similar thing against Leicester in his first few games last season. We play a very risky passing game at the back and hopefully Adrian will learn as quickly as Alisson did.

Mane, Ox, Bobby and Salah looked fantastic at times today with quick interplay, but also looked tired at other times. It really does bode well for the future though. I think we'll really kick into gear next week against Arsenal and then hopefully the lads will come back from the international break ready and raring to go with Alisson and Keita recovered. Onwards and upwards. Now to watch the competition slog it out for 90 minutes safe in the knowledge that we have 6! (points)

Plain Bread

1.) 17 Aug 2019 17:49:36
Terrible first half performance, superb second half performance.

2.) 17 Aug 2019 18:11:47
A bit like Wednesday TB2. I'll take that tough 3 points all day long after the SuperCup. I worry for the Arsenal game though, hoping anfield drags us through.

3.) 17 Aug 2019 19:00:31
Guys we didn't take chelsea seriously i think.

4.) 18 Aug 2019 11:48:39
PB, it would help if the defenders stopped incessantly passing the ball back to h=Adrias that puts too much pressure on him. I said the same thing last season when they kept doing the same thing with Allison with led to some hairy moments as well. I think Klopp had a word at half time cos they rarely did that in the 2nd half except when necessary.



14 Aug 2019 23:42:45
Great win tonight and great for Adrian to be a hero in his first start.

Ed001, a question for you. How good would Kante be in our team? He would take our midfield to the next level in my opinion. We'd have the strongest spine in Europe. The players we have already clearly aren't bad mind you!

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{Ed001's Note - best midfielder in the world is Kante. He would make any team better.}

1.) 15 Aug 2019 07:11:17
Kante is a freak.
Any team with him in midfield would be competitive.

2.) 15 Aug 2019 07:28:10
It's laughable what Chelsea paid for him, fantastic player.

3.) 15 Aug 2019 10:10:31
I love Kante, absolute great player and had a great game last night too.

4.) 15 Aug 2019 10:36:33
Kante would be a diff. maker in any team.

5.) 15 Aug 2019 10:37:02
Absolute monster of a player.

6.) 15 Aug 2019 10:38:28
Have people tried to buy kante? Without hazard Chelsea are average, surely he should be competing for the big prizes?



02 Aug 2019 15:51:00
Ed025, Mignolet and Bravo look set to start the Community Shield. You're a brutally honest guy; how many goals do you think their could be? 😂.

Plain Bread

{Ed025's Note - i actually think bravo is decent PB, i expect there will be a few goals in the game mate as they are 2 excellent attacking teams, im going 3-2 for city mate..

1.) 02 Aug 2019 15:57:58
I might see if I can get a special on every shot on target going in.

2.) 02 Aug 2019 16:09:40
Why is Migs starting over Allison?

3.) 02 Aug 2019 16:12:45
I try to like migs but he is just a poor keeper. Nice guy, good character but poor. That fernades goal brought back the memories of him being number one. It was embarrassing.

I worry a bit about the state of our back up/ reserve/ youth keepers if he is the 2nd best option.

4.) 02 Aug 2019 16:14:15
Virgil, I'm just speculating mate. Bravo is definitely starting as confirmed by Pep seeing as Ederson hasn't played much at in 2 months, but Alisson could very much start for us. He's played regularly all summer. I just wouldn't be surprised if Klopp goes mostly with players who have been available for longer than 6 days. I could be (I hope) totally wrong.

5.) 02 Aug 2019 16:23:20
Why would Mignolet start over Alisson?

6.) 02 Aug 2019 16:32:35
rubbishs and giggles Alex, it’s the only reason I can think.

7.) 02 Aug 2019 16:54:27
I expect Klopp to play the same team that he expects to put out against Norwich.

8.) 02 Aug 2019 16:58:39
Alisson will start I’m sure - we looked shaky at the back until he returned and he won’t want to lose any momentum now.

9.) 02 Aug 2019 17:36:17
I reckon
Trent matip vvd Robbo
Milner gini fabinho
Salah firmino origi

Probably firmino and salah off after 60 mins.
Midfield based upon fitness.

10.) 02 Aug 2019 17:50:52
Will mbappe start for Liverpool or are we waiting until Norwich?

11.) 02 Aug 2019 17:56:34
Hope you guys are all right. I have a feeling he might go with the lads who came back earlier (Not what I want him to do btw) similar to the team that started at Napoli.

Trent, Matip, Virg, Robbo
Hendo, Fab, Milner
Ox, Origi, Gini

I'm just not sure Klopp values it as anything more than another friendly and with only 6 subs I'm not sure he'll risk the likes of Bobby, Salah, Shaq, Alisson, Keita etc from the start. Hopefully most of them come back much fitter than expected because of their international involvement deep into the summer.

{Ed047's Note - I cant get my head around Matip starting ahead of Joe Gomez in any game for Liverpool.

Him and VVD are the mutts 🥜

12.) 02 Aug 2019 18:19:00
Mbappe was supposed to be a secret. Now that it's out in the open we are planning to pull him out of the bag at half time.

13.) 02 Aug 2019 18:20:58
I agree Ed047. Gomez and Virg should be first choice. Klopp's team selections throughout pre-season haven't made that look a forgone conclusion though. He seems to really rate Matip.

{Ed047's Note - it seems a little odd mate as they are just so good together and Allison, Trent, Gomez, VVD, Robertson and Fabinho are for me the best defensive unit in the league mate.

14.) 02 Aug 2019 19:01:37
Glad I sold my tickets 😂😂.

15.) 02 Aug 2019 21:38:15
Don’t see how you can call for matip to be benched. He played brilliant Last season. he starts for me . Even when joining the attack was better than Gomez. Deserves his place until such time he gets injured or messes up hopefully neither.

16.) 02 Aug 2019 22:38:16
Matip was good scouse john but after vvd, gomez was our best performer in the cb role.

17.) 02 Aug 2019 19:18:09
Ed47, it is simple. Matip has grabbed his chance in the last 5 months of the season and he earned the right to partner VVD. If Gomez wants his place back, he's going to have to rip that shirt off of Matip's back. That is football and people will need to get used to that.

Gomez may be a top talent with tremendous ability. However, he has Matip to deal with now and the fierce competition will only make him better. LFC have 4 CB's that can start for any top 6 team right now and that is testament to what Klopp has done with these players. If Matip starts the season with VVD, he would have earned it. It is that simple, really.

{Ed047's Note - Sorry for the late reply and I take your point RW but just don’t see Matip at the same level as Gomez mate.

It’s only my opinion but he looks head and shoulders the better defender and together last season up to his injury they were on another level altogether.

18.) 03 Aug 2019 01:27:05
Is Gomez up to speed yet, as right now I think Matip is further on in his fitness etc?

{Ed0333's Note - I think Gomez will take a while to get going again mate.

19.) 03 Aug 2019 01:55:22
Yeah matip did well when he stepped in but Gomez was injured not dropped for poor form. Up until his injury he was arguably only behind VVD as the best performing CB in the league. Their partnership was the best in Europe for first few months. Matip did well but our defence did start giving up a few more chances without Gomez. It's a new fresh season, Gomez is now fit and he's proven that his partnership with VVD is one of the best around. He has to start ahead of matip for me in our strongest defence. He will now know that matip will replace him if his performance level is not high, a great situation to have strong competition between CBs.



01 Aug 2019 10:27:05
Interesting development on the club site.

We already knew Brewster won't be with the u23s. If he is then we can expect him to leave in January because he was promised first team football when he signed his new contract 12 months ago. It was what kept him from moving to Germany. If you checked the club's website though, Van Den Berg was listed in the first team, not the academy.

Anyway, there was a change made yesterday to add Ki Jana Hoever and Harvey Elliott to the first team squad list as well.

All 4 of those guys may well play for the u23's from time to time but they will be training with the first team and are sure to see game time on the pitch at the bare minimum in the cups. The future is bright!

Plain Bread

1.) 01 Aug 2019 12:04:09
I think that makes sense PB, the amount of attention he got on the main page when he signed, think it was about 5 stories, suggests the club intend to integrate him straight into the first team. Think short term he will be fighting his way up the pecking order and getting games in the league cup (depending on opponents) .

2.) 01 Aug 2019 12:05:17
Great news for these young lads. Klopp is an expert at man management and arguably the best manager out there for it. These boys are in the right hands. Although i think minutes might be extremely scarce for them in the league and CL (except Brewster who i think may be used more than others in league as a late sub), the exposure they will receive from training with the first team day in day out will be great for them. I can imagine all will start or feature in the league/ FA cup games.

3.) 01 Aug 2019 13:37:14
debatable how great it is that the kids will by and large si on the bench. But I have hopes for them.

4.) 01 Aug 2019 14:45:12
Faith, are you sure there isn't a "lackof" missing from the front of your username ;)

5.) 01 Aug 2019 16:12:21
Klopp is no idiot. He is arguably the best manager in the game today. And PB is bang on, klopp's man management is second to none. These kids aren't in the first team because klopp is being nice. They're in the team on merit.

Young players play with a confidence. Remember fowler breaking through. Owen also. More recently trent. The confidence to try things like taking a corner when only one other player is ready. I think the future of the club looks bright and i thank klopp for looking after our team, even though he may not be here when elliot hits his prime (i hope he is, i have faith in cryogenics)

6.) 01 Aug 2019 16:29:01
Get the best kids in, leave a pathway! Then when we approach the next wonderkid he'll know he has a chance here if he works hard. Just brilliant by the club at the moment, the amount of super young players will continue to snowball over the next few years.

7.) 01 Aug 2019 18:33:43
One great season and we think we can compete with the best teams with a bunch of kids, all look good but I am a bit worried about the coming season.

More games, other teams strengthening well and fatigue with senior players I do think we need a couple of new faces to boost the squad.

Not a moan just an opinion, just hope I wrong.

8.) 01 Aug 2019 19:23:44
77 by your comment, I am not sure you understand what is being discussed on this thread regarding what Klopp is doing with the kids. I suggest you read it again and get back to us.

9.) 01 Aug 2019 20:40:53
Just read they’ve all left the training camp early as Klopp steps up the team preparation for Sunday.

10.) 01 Aug 2019 23:01:14
Granted not on the right thread, but point still valid, didn't realise I was being marked 😊😊.

11.) 05 Aug 2019 13:18:50
haha PB - I think there is faith in trying them. but the same time we have to be real about it lol. for every sterling there is an Ibe, sinclair, woodburn, wilson, kent, ojo, suso (he came alright tho lol), pacheco and so on.



27 Jul 2019 08:51:18
I have a gut feeling this season that Wijnaldum is about to go to the next level. Ever since he signed he's been hampered by excessive defensive duties but we saw towards the end of last season that with Fabinho anchoring he was able to get forward and score goals like the brace against Barcelona. I think he might get 15 goals this season. At 28 he is coming right into his prime just as our team is hitting its peak years. I've just got a feeling. It looks right now like he might struggle to get in the team, but Gini always seems to thrive on that and come back even better.

At Newcastle he scored 14 goals in his final season including 4 in one game against Norwich. So he has it in the locker. I'm pretty sure he scored 20 goals a season for PSV in his younger days. He's my dark horse pick for player of the year. Go on Gini!

Plain Bread

1.) 27 Jul 2019 09:24:47
Meant to say 11 goals and 4 in one game. Apologies.

2.) 27 Jul 2019 09:27:53
A lot of fans always mention players like Hendo, Lucas and Bobby as being under appreciated and I think that Wijnaldum falls right into that category. For me last season he was our best midfielder over the whole season (closely followed by Fab) . Looking forward to seeing him go from strength to strength this season.

3.) 27 Jul 2019 10:20:17
I totally agree with the original poster, has certainly upped his game from a few seasons ago.

I went to a good few away games the season before last and he used to go missing quite a lot, not any more, Gini is fantastic at holding up the ball when the opposition are on the ascendency and I do think he will get more goals this season.

It’s the perfect example of a player upping their game when new faces and competition arrives.

4.) 27 Jul 2019 10:48:19
Fingers crossed!

5.) 27 Jul 2019 10:50:00
My favourite Wijnaldum moment was against Barca. Not the goals, but the Cruyff turn that took out Arthur and Busquets. Mugged them both off and took the ball upfield.

6.) 27 Jul 2019 10:52:23
Wijnaldum did indeed have a great season last season but overall his time at Liverpool has been a failure, he made up for it last season of course because he showed true quality after the first 10 or so games but again, overall for Liverpool since he joined, he was sh*te. Thankfully he's playing klopps syle more and it's working, he's almost like a new signing.

7.) 27 Jul 2019 10:59:27
Been a failure? He’s not your cuppa tea Salah but he has been the most used midfielder every season since Klopp came in. Good job Klopp doesn’t start all his failures week in week out 🤦🏻‍♂️.

8.) 27 Jul 2019 11:21:04
He can be a great player but he lacks the consistency to do it over and sustained period of time. He can be truely wonderful in games and AWOL in others. I like him but I wouldn't be putting him in the hall of fame just yet.

9.) 27 Jul 2019 11:48:56
He might get 15 goals this season?
that’s pushing it quite a lot lol

Unpopular opinion - he will always be too inconsistent.

He has games were he is everywhere and plays amazing and shows his true quality I'll admit. but he goes missing in far too many games.

If he can sort his consistency out then sound he'll be one hell of a player but until then, he doesn't make the starting 11 for me.
His brace against Barcelona has got Liverpool fans overhyping him imho.

{Ed025's Note - i think your spot on phil..

10.) 27 Jul 2019 11:53:50
Wijnaldum is the engine of the team.
If any of our midfielders are Klopp players, he would be the one.

{Ed025's Note - its just a shame that at times that engine stalls juicer..

11.) 27 Jul 2019 12:04:37
I think you'll be the only one to agree on that ed25 mate, but you see it how it is without red tinted glasses xD

Juicer, Widjnaldum is not the engine of the team at all. The entire team is 1 complete engine. They all have to work as hard as each other lol.

12.) 27 Jul 2019 12:10:42
Ed025 where do you rate him amongst the other LFC midfielders?

{Ed025's Note - bang in the middle JK, i think hes behind fab and potentially keita but ahead of the rest, phil hit the nail on the head when he talked about his inconsistency mate, he can go from hero to zero in the space of 2 games but i do think he has the ability..

13.) 27 Jul 2019 12:31:15
Ed025 I agree with you mate with exception of the Keita part. On last seasons performances he isn’t ahead of Wijnaldum for me. I think we have a world class keeper, defence and front 3. Our weakest area is midfield ( I’m not saying it’s weak just our weakest area) All the midfield players are work horses but non really dominate games and grab them by the scruff of the neck. Wiji biggest criticism is consistency but apart from Fab all our other midfielders fall under that exact same umbrella as well.

{Ed025's Note - thats why i said potentially about keita JK, i think you have got it spot on there mate but the system worked last campaign so i cant see it being changed any time soon..

14.) 27 Jul 2019 13:32:14
Its a difficult one. If he could add the goals and assists he would move to the next level, but I have my doubts. It is just as likely next season he will get reduced game time. He would be behind a fully fit and on form Keita and Ox. It was proved in some of our biggest games

Arsenal away
Everton away
Man U away
plus others where Fab, Hendo and Gini all played it just lacks something. It is small margings but in all those games the opposition midfield controlled the game. 3 midfielders for the opposition got MOTM. This thread could just as easily be about Hendo who had a worse season than Gini.

15.) 27 Jul 2019 13:39:52
Lol engine of the team? You have to be joking here? I usually like your posts mate but that's the most rediculous thing I've read this year and probably last year included, come on mate don't be daft.

JK. Say what you want mate, end of the day overall he has being a failure and anybody who knows their football would agree. Last season he was quality, all of it? No, he wasn't the first 10 games he mightve had the odd decent game, by odd I mean 1 or 2. This is how it's been since he joined us but he improved dramatically last season so I do rate him but he's far from a great player, he's good at best and as previously stated he's very inconsistent.

16.) 27 Jul 2019 14:24:40
Salah respect your opinion mate but we will have to agree to disagree. There’s a reason he starts more games than our other midfielders under Klopp in each of the last 3 seasons. He’s far from great but neither are our other midfielders (with exception of Fab) .
Mark08 little confused by your comment mate. Were you on about Wiji not starting against Everton, Utd and Arsenal as I’ve just double checked and he started all 3 along with the bigger games against City x 2, Spurs x 2 and Chelsea.

17.) 27 Jul 2019 14:57:22
Wijnaldum is a superb player, both technically and ability. He has had a number of games where he has been a little anonymous and has been hampered by being asked to play too defensively, but since Fab has claimed the DM position as his own, Gini has gone from strength to strength. First midfielder on the teamsheet for me and, i agree, this season is going to be huge for him.

18.) 27 Jul 2019 15:17:29
Like a Virgil, if Gini has gone from strength to strength since Fabinho came in, shouldn't Fabinho be the first name on the team sheet?

{Ed047's Note - I’m with you on that one IB, Fabinho has turned out to be a fantastic signing and I love watching him play.

Don’t fancy a swap for Xhaka do you?

19.) 27 Jul 2019 15:32:25
Ed047, I would rather we gave u Fab do free. If u give us Xhaka, u lot will finish above us automatically.

{Ed047's Note - as I’ve got you down to win the title I’ll be happy with that! 😂

20.) 27 Jul 2019 17:52:36
Really can't wait for this season, JK23. We have so many players all hitting the 28-32 prime years at once. Salah, Mane, Bobby, Hendo, Gini, Virgil etc. I think we will absolutely boss it this season. It's just always felt like we sold our best players at about 26 years old just before their best years, and replaced them with another young player to develop only to lose them too. This is the first time since the Rafa era that we've kept a team together for long enough for them to all peak at a similar time.

You are right about Gini. He is very under appreciated. I know his goal scoring record at Liverpool so far doesn't point towards him being in line for double figures this season, but I've always felt like the shackles were on a bit because he was protecting Henderson in a role he wasn't a specialist in. Now we have Fab who is arguably the best holding midfielder in Europe off the back of last season's Champions League, I can see Gini having the freedom to showcase his full arsenal of talents! The Barcelona game has immortalised him in Liverpool history and relieved any pressure he had on him to succeed. That freedom will probably help a lot of our players this season. They return as champions, hero's, and on the path to becoming legends. I think they just needed the first trophy monkey off their back.

21.) 27 Jul 2019 17:54:05
Despite a lot of praise, I still think that it's Milner that's most under appreciated. His polyvalence, his drive and determination and his quiet positive leadership was crucial to where we got last season. Every team needs one guy who'll quietly do the dirty work, without raising an eyebrow. And in our team it's Milner.

22.) 27 Jul 2019 17:57:34
Failure? . no way! best midfielder over the WHOLE season.

23.) 27 Jul 2019 19:05:34
Read my post properly LN.

24.) 27 Jul 2019 21:36:57
JK - I was supposed to be saying he played with Fabs and Hendo in those big games and got bossed by the opposition. But so did Hendo.

Gini was our best midfielder last season so deserves full credit, but also to me means, Keita, Fabs, Hendo etc were not as good as they should have been thoughout the whole season.

PS: JK23 I was knackered in a German airport, recovering.

25.) 27 Jul 2019 22:20:20
Mark08 no worries mate. Got you now. And totally agree. I think he gets criticism for what the other midfielders do (inconsistency) but also doesn’t get the plaudits that the others do either.

26.) 28 Jul 2019 02:30:27
Cmon Buzzer, Fabinho has taken over more defensive duties freeing Gini up for a more attacking role where he has come into his own.




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Poch wanted him when he signed for Liverpool all them years ago. I believe they worked together at Espanyol so this isn't a shock really.

I'm not sure how much he strengthens them because I'd imagine this means Eriksen will leave. Like for like really, if that is the case of course.

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6Times your pettiness kills me mate 😂 Never change. Your daily rants are the staple food in my internet browsing diet.

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01 Aug 2019 14:44:06
Can't really call Gomez injury prone. The only major non-impact injury he's had was his knee. The broken ankle from being booted by one of Dyche's thugs is hardly enough to constitute him being branded injury prone! Anybody can get kicked.

Klopp might really rate Sepp and Hoever? You never know. Or maybe we'll go back in for Diego Lloriente? Or a really outside the box idea, maybe he is so impressed with Lallana as a "6" that he wants to utilise Fabinho more as a centre back where he shone last year? Our squad is huge. Losing Lovren will barely dent it with the addition of the two young Dutch lads to the first team squad.

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24 Jul 2019 21:42:36
Brewster and Curtis Jones have completely outshone them in my opinion and they are younger players too.

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Thanks Clyde. Great insight!

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14 Sep 2019 22:19:21
Personally I think SomethingRed highlighted some great points. The gross over reaction from the replies for me highlights the biggest issue in the Premier League right now. People think or want to believe that Manchester City are this infallible, unstoppable, uncompromising machine which will sweep aside all before them. So much so that it is considered completely unacceptable to point out weaknesses or dare to criticise them.

This has lulled everybody into this sad and pathetic dream world were you should just roll over and set up for damage limitation before the game even kicks off. The problem is though, that this Manchester City team aren't perfect, and they do have multiple weaknesses. But people are too scared to highlight them or target them for fear of being embarrassed. SomethingRed made some good and balanced points, but he's Being slaughtered by sheep who've been convinced by BT and Sky pundits that City are invincible and that these kind of days are simply minor blips. If people actually analysed how easy it is to get at them though, these days would become far more common and rather than being considered blips, City would be exposed as the top heavy team they truly are.

Nobody here has written City off or claimed the league title is Liverpool's. It's quite simply been pointed out that the media hyperbole is misplaced. There are 33 games to go and the league can still be won by literally anyone. We don't need to be oblivious to the fact that this City team look weak without Kompany, Laporte and Fernandinho though. Respect them, sure. They have a world class forward line and two of the best creative midfielders in my lifetime. Stop running scared though. Their back 4 is sub-par at best.

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07 Sep 2019 10:57:20
Played it about 5 or 6 times in Ox's first season mate. Both 7-0 wins we played that system.

I think Firmino is intelligent enough to link up with him similar to how Gerrard did. So Gerrard was the deeper of the 2 but still made runs beyond him. Torres more times than not, picked out those runs. His creative influence was under rated for me.

Just my opinion mate. I love our current team, but Torres was a phenom and maybe being my child hood hero earns him a slight bias!

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{Ed001's Note - exactly my point, a long time ago and the whole set up has changed since. We are better now than we were then and no longer look to use it because we are better as we are. Torres was not as good as you remember. He was great but he was made to look better by the quality of the balls Alonso and Gerrard provided. He would still be great, don't get me wrong, but we are a better team now, despite no longer having anyone of the quality of Gerrard and Alonso in midfield. If you put Xabi in this team, I am sure our current front 3's goal tally would increase.}



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07 Sep 2019 10:44:22
No mate, I'd play the 4-4-2 where Klopp puts Salah and Bobby up top, Mane left and Ox right. Just drop Salah out and put Torres in. Torres was less selfish and had a better all round game in my opinion. I dread to think how many goals he'd get with Trent and Robbo pinging crosses in.

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07 Sep 2019 10:31:24
I would swap him for Salah personally, Tris. He basically plays as a striker at times anyway.

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07 Sep 2019 10:09:46
Torres at his peak was almost universally accepted as the best striker in world football for a short time. He'd probably be better than any of our current front 3 even in Klopp's system. I can only put this down to short memories. He scared defenders who laid claim to being the best in Europe. Terry, Ferdinand, Vidic, Carvalho, Toure, Ramos, Pique, Puyol, Pepe etc. Absolutely nobody in Europe could live with him. I love our current team but a prime Torres was on par with the likes of Ronaldo, Messi, Rooney, Eto'o, Ibrahimovic, Henry and Drogba at that time.

Torres didn't just beat you. He destroyed you. He was quicker than you, stronger than you, better in the air than you, had better anticipation than you and if you back off him or showed him wide he'd still find a way to stick it in the far top corner with a half volley over his shoulder or a pile driver from 20 yards. I never saw Fowler play live but in my lifetime Torres is the best player we've had. He was the only one I felt i could legitimately say was the best in the world in his position and nobody really debated it.

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{Ed001's Note - but he wouldn't fit in our system without completely changing it. Yes he was great, but he wasn't that great that you would give up the front 3 to replace it with him + 2 others.}