Liverpool Banter Archive June 06 2016

06 Jun 2016 20:44:13
Did my rumour about Rene Krhin not get through or is it so outlandish it did not get posted?

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Y. N. W. A.

{Ed002's Note - No idea but I can confirm the Liverpool did look at him but Hodson decided not to make an offer.}

06 Jun 2016 22:12:43
Smart arse :) ) ) ) ) )

{Ed002's Note - I am serious - he was look at by Roy Hodgson.}

06 Jun 2016 19:22:48
Vardy going to Arsenal, will Ranieri go for Benteke as replacement, also what do people think if Koeman gets Everton job will SAMMY LEE cross the park and work for the enemy i am watching this like a hawk, over to you SAMMY?

{Ed002's Note - Leicester have two players in mind and neither is Benteke.}

06 Jun 2016 19:40:22
Sammy Lee failed his FA coaching badges more times than anyone eve!

06 Jun 2016 20:05:52
Think deeney and musa are the two strikers they want to sign.

07 Jun 2016 07:33:31
Sell a Ferrari, replace with a JCB?!

06 Jun 2016 17:21:30
Great post earlier from square tomato re JG. I'd be more than happy with those four CBs for the season, three comps and Lucas as cover.

Would have liked to see Toure stay, but if he's only seen as a possible if player then his wages are better off the books.

Great- can ignore any press talk on CB signings.

06 Jun 2016 16:53:07
Drinkwater is a good player but he always looks dehydrated to me.

06 Jun 2016 17:07:53
His cousin Eatfood looks hungrier player though.

06 Jun 2016 17:09:48
Hence you need to drink water lol.

06 Jun 2016 20:17:38
Parma interested in signing Drinkwater.
Gonna play him behind the number 10- Luca Zade.

06 Jun 2016 16:33:33
The term Kopflose hunh has been used by, I think ed 002, to describe our style of play under Klopp.
Kopflose hunh = headless chicken.
Great sense of humour Ed. TBF, describes the 2nd half of the europa final.

06 Jun 2016 16:48:26
Haha can't believe it's only just been noticed.

06 Jun 2016 17:24:37
It's taken long enough to cry fowl play.
Kopflose huhn is in contrast with the "não me importo" style of Mourinho's last days at CFC ;-)

06 Jun 2016 10:34:48
A lot on here would like the youth to be given a chance. But in their next post, they want players that will only improve the starting 11 to be bought. So I ask you, what if we didn't own players like Ojo, Ibe, Stewart, etc.
And rumours started that we were interested in signing them from another team? Say Ibe for 7mil, Ojo for 9mil, Stewart for 6 mil. Would you be happy?
As much as its good to be loyal to our players, we also have to think about what would a winning starting 11 be, and aim for that 1st.
Would a fairly good bench of potential young players push a decent starting 11 to higher heights?
Would a bench of already proven players do this better?
I think its time we look at "winning" rather than building. We have been building for way too long now.
And that for me, means a good mix of :
1. A strong staring 11
2. A strong bench of potential and experience (players you would be moderatelt happy with being part of the starting 11
3. Players in the squad that show exception potential. (Players like Gomez, Ojo)

06 Jun 2016 11:05:30
Any sustainable success, in any co-operative venture in any sphere of life, business or sport, requires both diversity and team spirit. Diversity because different talents are needed to overcome different challenges and team spirit, because it doesn't matter how talented your 'players' are, if they are not pulling in the same direction. We could get a bench of proven players, but if there was major discontent about them not starting all the time, would that foster the team spirit and ethic we need? Whilst I agree with you about 'Winning now' we also need to think about the future. Although FSG have made good strides on the commercial front, and have backed our managers, we still aren't in the same economic league as some of our rivals. We will have to grow some our own to succeed longer term. The Eds have consistently suggested that our youth policy has been a shambles, would be interested to hear from them if lessons are being learned?

06 Jun 2016 12:03:22
First, to AndyF and AndyM, two excellent thought-provoking posts in my opinion. Our youth policy has been an absolute shambles with dozens of gifted young players brought in (many from abroad), ruined, then discarded.

Take Tiago Ilori for example. He is 23 years of age. He has had three full seasons as a registerd LFC player. He has made a total of zero Premiership starts. I have no idea whether he will ever make it as a top-flight player, but what a way to treat a young talent.

What is clear is that Klopp is not a fan of of our loan policy. This season we have had 22 players at other clubs, don't be surprised to see that reduced to four or six next season. Also, we will be running much smaller squads at all age levels next season.

The current crop of U21 players may well have an increased role to play, I really like the look of Brannagan and Ojo. But unless we bring in three or four top players, like all of the teams around us will do, we will have to settle for finishing in mid table again for the next few seasons and I am not sure how many of us would be happy with that.

06 Jun 2016 11:52:37
I think what we want is a very strong first team and youth to cover them.

Ward for migs last season instead of signing bodgan.

Ojo to cover the wings

Sinclair to cover origi

Gomez to cover lovren

Smith to cover moreno

I know sinclair has wlft but that's th3 sort of sitution you wsnt

Instead of signing not very good players to cover are first team players on big and ling contracts.

Karius and migs

This summer our cbs should be lovren, sakho, matip and gomez

Full backs clyne and flanno. Hector and smith

Henderson, can, dahoud and brannagan

Lallana, coutinho, firmino, ojo, milner

Origi, sturridge and ings.

06 Jun 2016 12:51:04
I still am not at all convinced that Dahoud is what we need in centre midfield, as he is too lightweight and if last season proved anything, it was the need for a physically imposing centre midfielder who was strong in the tackle and could provide the defence with some reasonable cover.

I would also say that the squad that you have put there lacks any serious pace and only one proper winger in Ojo.

That squad wouldn't finish higher than 6th. And that is being generous.

06 Jun 2016 14:21:02
We don't know where such a squad would finish, no-one gave Leicester an earthly chance. Several posters have pointed out we dropped so many points from winning positions; and whilst this won't drop to zero, we will hopefully improve with a better defence. Paulo has missed Grujic out of the equation, and he has been bought to start imo. Also Ibe. Can't see Dahoud -. L'pool happening this summer. A fit Ings will be like another signing (I hope! ) .

06 Jun 2016 14:39:17
Thing about Leicester is that they had a great defensive central midfielder in Kante who was able to give their centrebacks a lot of cover, we don't have anyone of that quality.

They also had pace and skill in abundance through Vardy and Mahrez and we don't have that either.

Essentially that is the same squad that struggled this year with a few minor tweeks. I don't see that anything would significantly change as the major problems would still be there and that being a soft centre and a lack of penetration.

06 Jun 2016 14:54:25
Andy F - I wouldn't be happy seeing these guys (except maybe Stuart) being bought for anything other than negligible costs, but that's somewhat the point - what we'd like to avoid is players who play consistently and have finished 'developing' but are not notably more able than our most talented very young players having money spent on them and be given squad places over those who, with a bit of work and patience, will soon be far better. Nor would I want other teams youth players, unless they were demonstrating themselves to be considerably better than ours, to be bought in to the detriment of ours consistently. It's a question of conservation of resources - if you have a realistically potential workable solution to a problem, you shouldn't expend resources until that problem has been road tested (except in situations where any risk cannot be tolerated) . It's a principal us, and all other clubs, need to start applying.

06 Jun 2016 15:23:00
I'm not sure our main problem has been a lack of penetration, they've been keeping hold of a lead and having fit strikers. The defensive deficiencies appear to be being addressed (Matip, Karius, a new LB), I'd hope we couldn't be as unlucky with Ings and Origi for 2 years in a row.

06 Jun 2016 15:57:51
To be fair dahiud is exactly what we need. He's a big strong lad, you definstly haven't watched him. He is silky smooth which may make you think he csnt do the gritty work.

Secindly were looking for a partner for can (who himself is big a strong) wr need that passing a creativitiy next to him. Xhaka and dahoud where fabulous last term, xhaxa was steel and dahiud was silk. Silk and steel sounds like a b rate cop show haha.

06 Jun 2016 16:10:33
Kante's not really a defensive mid MR Dennis. He's more a box to box midfielder that covers a lot of ground, making it look like he's a bit more defensive than he actually is. Not sure why you want a "physically imposing centre midfielder" either. The physicality isn't what's important in a defensive mid, it's his positioning and reading of the game that's the most important. If you just go for physicality you'll get someone like Wanyama who is very physical yet exceedingly average.

06 Jun 2016 16:30:42
Dahoud isn't a big strong lad by any stretch of the imagination, he's 5'9" and looks like he could eat a few steaks. As for Kante his job last year was to effectively do the legwork for Drinkwater (hence the quote about Kabte playing both sides of Drinkwater) and Kante is a physically tough player, which Dahoud isn't. Fact of the matter is that another lightweight in midfield isn't going to help us we have to get a tough spine to the team or we're just preparing for another year of failure.

06 Jun 2016 16:32:42
As for the point about physicality in centre midfield, it's exactly what you need in an enforcer, give me Graeme Souness over Pirlo any day of the week.

06 Jun 2016 17:11:13
Souness was still a very good footballer though, something you don't get with most "enforcers" these days. Also, I never said anything about Dahoud so I don't know why you're doing a comparison between him and Kante.
Henderson and Can have a good understanding, aren't going to get bullied, and are have good technique. If we need a more defensive option to join them then we have Lucas and Stewart who can come in. Signing a physical enforcer with no regards to how the team wants to play is just ridiculous.

06 Jun 2016 17:12:02
You all forgetting where looking for a partner for can?

Is he not big and strong enough for use.

He's was great most games last year apart from when he was stool next to Milner or Allen in the middle.

Plonk modric next to him and we have one of the best mids in the league. You don't need two big lads.

Yes you will all say modric would transform any midfield. We need someone of that ilk a smooth operator and let can bash people up. You have also all forgot we have matip and grujic who are both tall btards. How fooking tall do you want this team, are we playing in the epl or nba. ?

06 Jun 2016 18:04:24
Paulo, again you're forgetting that huge hole in our midfield that Seville, Southampton, Newcastle etc were able to run through at will. Can is a box to box midfielder, we don't need another, we need a disciplined, strong and dominant centre midfielder who can defend. Can played defensive midfield against Seville and wasn't able to stem the flow, because he's not really that type of midfielder. We should go for one of the Bender brothers.

06 Jun 2016 17:47:48
Paulo is pretty much bang on. We needed a player which Allen couldn't be to us. Dahoud fits that bill perfectly. Real play Modric and Kroos together hardly any imposing monster.
People keeps forgetting Henderson was injured for a large portion of last season and there is every chance he might reeat coming season. Our second choice players aren't up to the required quality. Dahoud would give us a different dimension and a good competition in the middle.

If Can is the steel then Dahoud could be the silk.

06 Jun 2016 09:20:21
I know RoW tired yesterday but.

considering lots of posters reckon we need a winger, Jack Whitehall worth a shout?

quite impressed with him, didn't think he would be able to play as his head is too big for his body, but fair play to the lad, hasn't held him back.

06 Jun 2016 10:09:18
I was surprised Kieron Dyer played so long! maybe he is over his injuries. worth a punt?

06 Jun 2016 11:50:06
i'd take Ronaldinho and Berbatov, the little passes between them were great :P, Must admit though Jack whitehall was actually decent, the pass for the goal was good and he had a few really good crosses. really didn't expect that at all.

06 Jun 2016 07:55:06
Liverpools first 6 games.
WBA
Burnley
Middlesborough
Southampton
West Ham
Spurs.

06 Jun 2016 08:00:20
All winnable!

06 Jun 2016 08:13:58
Do you know which are home and away mate.

06 Jun 2016 08:58:19
Three of them finished above us last year.

06 Jun 2016 09:22:52
All winnable and gives us momentum with a good start.

06 Jun 2016 09:48:29
Fixtures don't come out until the 15th so this seems nonsense to me.

06 Jun 2016 09:50:46
Away game first then home, ect.

06 Jun 2016 09:51:23
Man city after Spurs.

06 Jun 2016 10:35:14
Fixtures aren't out yet, is this a post to stimulate posters into guessing the opening fixtures?

{Ed002's Note - No it is simply someone teasing the naive fans Waro.}

06 Jun 2016 10:46:23
Yeah fixtures not out until 15th June so unless your old man, wife's brothers dog sits at the FA I'm sure this is untrue.

06 Jun 2016 11:28:34
Ed 91, April was 2 months ago. Got me good.

{Ed091's Note - :)

06 Jun 2016 08:03:54
Is Karius available for those games?