28 Nov 2023 07:55:28
Another VAR masterclass last night at the Fulnam vs Wolves game
The sheer amount of times that Wolves have been on the end of "incompetence" is purely amazing.
To rub salt in the wounds, there's even talk now of VAR extending their reach in the decision making of free kicks and penalties.
Just WOW!
28 Nov 2023 08:55:34
There needs to be an investigation into the PGMOL at this point regarding Wolves, IMO. I don't know what Wolves have done to the footie establishment BUT these incidents clearly can't all be coincidences.
28 Nov 2023 09:46:58
Wolves should employ Christopher Steele the guy who provided the info to the FBI that bust fifa corruption.
28 Nov 2023 09:54:03
It clearly isn't working and yet we still persist with it, and the rumours of giving them more power are nothing short of baffling!
If the system was working I would get increasing their powers, but week after week we are talking about decisions when they have all the tools to get it right.
Either the officials aren't up to scratch or the rules are so confusing they just tie themselves up in knots.
Wolves have been done worse then us this season, and that says a lot when we got the clearest onside against us given as offside.
Their decisons don't just effect seasons, it can be the difference between titles, european qualification or relegation. There is too much at stake for them to get it this wrong so often.
It needs to change and quick. But I must caveat all this with the techncology isn't the issue. If we didn't have VAR Wolves would still of been hard done by yesterday. But the replays were there to show what we all saw. It's those that operate it that needs changing.
28 Nov 2023 09:55:38
It's a joke. Although the injustices are making me a bit of a wolves fan. Really hoping they stay up now and have a decent season.
28 Nov 2023 11:07:07
Do people prefer getting rid of VAR or getting it right?
I’d rather get rid cos can’t trust the people in charge to get it right lol so may as well go with the referee’s call!
28 Nov 2023 12:03:57
Faith, that is a loaded question so I will attempt to answer it but to do that, I got to start from the beginning. The PL and PGMOL did not want VAR to begin with and FIFA had to force it on them hence, the PL was the last of the top 5 leagues to implement it.
So for the officiating heirarchy to lash out, they knowingly implemented it in a terrible way under the guise of, "We are the best league in the world so we will do it our way cos we know best". And they implemented it on purpose to get the outcome we are seeing now. Instead of using VAR as a tool to help us get things right properly, they implement it to cover for refreeing mistakes and protect their bros., which is what we are seeing.
And when we make a stink about it, the PGMOL uses it's power to silence the dissidents and use their allies in the media to shame them like they did Klopp, Arteta etc. Notice that managers like Moyes who does way worse than Klopp and Arteta will ever do by berating refs anytime it suits him, gets no fines nor suspensions. Why? Cos he is an English manager with tenure.
So IMO @Flash, VAR works and we know it works cos we see it work IF implemented properly according to the actual FIFA rules. We don't have that here hence, the ship show we have now. This is all deliberate. Thoughts?
28 Nov 2023 12:07:44
Get it right. Change the people. Technology is here to stay.
28 Nov 2023 12:39:39
Moyes is very much Scottish Oli. don't let him hear you called him English or he’ll be berating you next?.
28 Nov 2023 12:44:47
VAR anyday over human reffereing, For every 10 VAR mistakes there would be 1500 Human errors, and we have seen that time and time again over the years.
People want to get rid of VAR and bring back the old way of assistant referees fecking up offside calls over and over again.
28 Nov 2023 13:31:13
Clearly if the people operating VAR were competent then watching football would be far less frustrating. However, one thing that wouldn’t change, is that the most enjoyable part of the game for me has been spoiled - and that’s celebrating a goal. Even if they get the decision correct and a goal stands, it’s hard to enjoy it in the moment because we’re all waiting for the check before we can be sure it’s going to stand. I remember Origi scoring the goal that sealed the Champions League win and instead of going crazy knowing we’re European Champions, all I’m thinking is, is this going to stand? By the time it’s confirmed, the moment has passed. For that reason alone, I would get rid of VAR. Decisions will even out over time but at least we could celebrate goals properly again.
28 Nov 2023 13:45:16
Semibythesea3, totally missed that. Berating me? Man, he will come afterme with a baseball bat and I'll be running for hills, really.
Moyes might as well be considered English with the way the English media treat and protect him with kids' gloves, IMO.
28 Nov 2023 14:07:46
Football is a game of skill not perfection. If the best player manager team can have an off day and get things wrong then so can refs. I prefer that to var which has proven as unreliable and relies on human judgement it’s pointless. People call it inconsistent but human judgement is that. The linesmen these days are normally spot on anyways . Get rid of var a keep goal line technology.
28 Nov 2023 15:16:58
I do think that there is a place for technology in football to mitigate black and white errors.
Offside or not, contact or not is fine but VAR is getting way too much involved in subjective decisions that are a referees job to call.
I think we need to get rid of stockley park and just have someone checking offsides on a video monitor with semi automated offside.
Other than that the on field ref should look at the screen for major decisions like red cards, penalties etc. just to be sure he saw what he thought he saw. It won’t take any longer because VAR take an age for most decisions anyway.
That way we get what we used to have with the ref making the decisions but with the benefit of another look if he needs it. Plus he won’t get his mind muddled up with other opinions getting thrown at him from stockley park.
It will never be perfect but that would be the best option for me.
28 Nov 2023 17:14:49
We need to get rid of Howard webb can you imagine VAR when he officiated the world Cup final?
28 Nov 2023 18:35:53
Get rid of VAR, it has added nothing positive to the game and has made it infinitely less enjoyable.
28 Nov 2023 23:34:38
Oli lad, one of the worst things you can do to any Scotsman is suggest that he's English.
It wouldn't be a baseball bat Moyes would chase you with, it would be a claymore.
Think "Highlander".
29 Nov 2023 03:38:10
VAR is here to stay unfortunately. The refs are incompetent but I've said this a few times on here that the diving and cheating players are making it impossible for the refs. Use VAR for offside (let's bring in the automated version that they use in the CL and stop this subjective line drawing nonsense-if it takes 3 minutes to draw lines it's onside. they have to go with the advantage to the attacking player. )
Listening to Andy Townsend last night on the Harry Wilson penalty: "he's felt the contact and he's thrown himself down and he'd be stupid not to. " Cheating is now not only expected it's accepted as a part of the game. Call it what you want but it's not something that I want to see. Sportsmanship is now no longer present in the game. Becoming hard to watch imo.
29 Nov 2023 04:07:43
Cmon guys, the incorrect VAR decisions were just a bit of ‘human error’.
29 Nov 2023 04:27:44
For me, I have very little faith that football governance can get their systems right. They need diversity of thought and that is a long ways away.
If I could choose I would want VAR only for offsides, potential defensive handball in box and checking keepers feet for penalty kicks. Just the objective stuff.
Everything else, happy that we leave it to the ref on the pitch to make a call.
29 Nov 2023 07:55:20
I think last nights PSG Newcastle showed how crazy it’s getting now. How that was a penalty I just don’t know. Definitely makes you think that there is a level of corruption in the game now.
29 Nov 2023 13:13:48
Darwins Evolution or at least, so we were told and then Spurs happened.