01 Apr 2024 11:22:27
Do we know if Michael Edwards will have final say over new signings or will it be the new manager?
01 Apr 2024 12:21:04
Varies from club to club but I'm pretty sure we always let Klopp have the final say. So by that logic you'd imagine the new manager will have similar clout. It's not a good model in my opinion to force players onto the Manager, regardless of whether he wants to work with them or not.
I'd imagine Richard Hughes will have a big say in recruitment now though as Director of Football, as will Chief Scout Barry Hunter and head of recruitment Dave Fallows. Michael Edwards is reportedly coming back in a "big picture" capacity to work on a multi-club model for FSG, so it's not clear yet how involved he will be in transfers for Liverpool, or any of the football related strategy at Liverpool. You'd imagine he'll have some level of input, but probably not the final say!
01 Apr 2024 12:35:35
MKS, good to see you around again, man. I think the setup will be the same. As to who has the final say, it should always be the manager cos he has to work with these players. But at the same time, he has to work with the DOF to get some compromise on certain players esp. when it comes to cost, viability and all that. Forcing players on managers is is a big no-no for me, as well.
Edwards? I don't think he should have any say cos he is in charge of Football Operations hence, everything overseeing the footie side of things at FSG. Having the final say on signings should not be something he should be dealing with. Just my take.
01 Apr 2024 12:54:03
It's not good to force players onto a manager -
Klopp was forced to accept Salah. That worked out alright. And across europe managers usually get limited input in recruitment. The manager will say I need a striker with x skillset, the club will scout an prepare a list of attainable targets. But also quite often at Madrid, Barca, milan, inter managers have been forced to accept players.
A good manager can find players to make his system work a great manager can create a system to get the best out of what he has.
01 Apr 2024 13:08:20
Klopp wasn't forced to accept Salah. He was convinced to do so. There's a difference between the two. If he had still chosen to say no, I don't think Salah would end up being bought by us. There has not been a single player that Klopp has been "forced" to accept.
01 Apr 2024 13:40:56
Nevada, I wasn't aware Klopp was forced to take Salah to be honest mate. I had read that Brandt was Klopp's first choice, but I've never read or heard from any reputable source that Klopp refused to sign Salah, and then got over ruled and forced to work with him. If that's true though then fair enough it's a good counter point, but I do stand my general opinion (purely from a common sense perspective) that a manager should have final say on signing a player. He picks the team ultimately and has to connect with that player professionally and emotionally in the dressing room and on/ around the training ground. The scouts and DOF don't have to deal with them day to day or get the best out of them.
I take your last point though, that great managers can get the best out of what they have. Klopp did just that for the first 12-18 months at Liverpool. I highly doubt he'd have picked some of those he inherited such as Mignolet, Sakho, Clyne and Benteke!
01 Apr 2024 13:47:36
Cheers Oli, and agree with all you said too mate.
01 Apr 2024 13:49:00
Red men tv did a good show on the Edwards Klopp dynamic the other day.
Klopp wanted Brandte and Edwards Salah and Salah was bought.
It was Edwards who was against giving Hendo the big long extended contract that Klopp pushed for and won.
It’s good that we have a dynamic that people can challenge each other otherwise it’s a dictatorship.
The best move FSG ever made was employing Klopp and now we have another major decision as a club on their hands.
Klopps leaving a world class playing squad behind though so whoever does come in should be expected to continue challenging for top honours.
01 Apr 2024 14:08:55
Just look at what Klopp inherited and look at what he leaves behind.
Brilliant manager, thoroughly loved the ‘Klopp years’ as my personal life has been relatively kind to me in that time too, Im really going to miss it when its gone but we have 7 more weeks to make the most of and a future to optimistically head towards.
Keep the faith and try to enjoy it while it lasts as we all know how fleeting success can be, whether it sporting or personal.
01 Apr 2024 14:12:59
Encouraged is the word, not forced.
01 Apr 2024 14:44:41
What people need to realise is the next
Man in charge isn’t going to be
The manager he’s going to be the head coach there is a difference .
He will obviously have a say but nowhere near the say klopp does now . And I don’t think the club will let a man gain as much control as klopp did again . That’s not the model they want .
01 Apr 2024 18:02:43
Klopp was encouraged, persuaded and convinced by Edwards that Salah was a better option than Brandt, but certainly not forced.
01 Apr 2024 18:25:47
Nevada, Klopp himself said that he did not want Salah but was convinced by the scouting team to get him based on the data analytics metrics they used to measure him. He was never forced to accept any player, as far as I know. If a player could not be gotten for some reason, onto the alternative. That's what used to happen until the whole power struggle happened.
01 Apr 2024 18:59:51
If a manager can’t have any input/ say on who is signed then I can’t see him wanting to manage. Also what people tend to forget klopp was brilliant at improving players so he made the recruitment look fantastic.
01 Apr 2024 23:49:10
To clarify the way it usually works is that the manager will want a player of a certain profile and the scouting team will present options which are available to the club
The manager will have a veto, head of scouting will have a veto and CEO/ sporting director will have a financial veto.
It's quite common around Europe for the management team above the team manager to plan transfers because managers are transient. Makes little sense to let a guy who will be gone in less than 4 years on average plan the future of the team. which is why sporting directors and scouting teams exist. Managers think in short term, they go for ready made players regardless of future value because their job is immediate results.
The club thinks long term. And so can't always give the manager what he asks for. In Madrid and Barcelona manager input is very small, it's the same in a few Italian clubs too.