Liverpool Rumours Archive July 26 2020

26 Jul 2020 22:49:10
Is there any interest in origi? I know Klopp sees him as a useful option but more often than not he is not doing enough on the pitch .

I would prefer to let him go and give Brewster a chance.

{Ed002's Note - I am not aware of interest but finding a taker at a reasonable price would not be difficult. As for not doing enough, players improve with a run of games which takes pressure off.}

27 Jul 2020 00:01:54
I think Origi has done fine in his role. I mean not every striker can be like Ole or Teddy and bang in goals coming off the bench lol.

He gets a lot of stick but seems like a player who is well liked in squad and has obviously contributed to our success over the last 2 seasons. Finding guys who are content with a bench role AND do what he has been able to do over the last two seasons aren't easy to find. we should be a bit careful what we wish for there.

Also imp Brewster needs to play. I would hate to see him come to our bench and play a handful of minutes here and there.

27 Jul 2020 02:05:05
Everything i've heard is that he works hard and he clearly is trying to do what klopp wants to help the team.

27 Jul 2020 07:51:42
With whatever money we'd get from an Origi sale, where do people think we'd find another forward who doesn't complain about sitting on the bench but can still get it up to play a critical part in crucial matches like the CL semis and final, the derbies against Everton, the late winner that kept us in the title race against Newcastle last season, the comeback against Dortmund etc?

27 Jul 2020 07:58:27
I am sorry but he is bang average. Firmino had his worst season in a red shirt and he couldn’t get a sniff at him. He is never going to push anyone of the front three. I can’t believe at his age he isn’t even pushing for minutes when half of the world wants guarantees.
Working hard and having an impact are two different things. There is a reason why are fringe players are not wanted like Chelsea’s. Simply not good enough. Chelsea”s fourth attacker is Christian pulisic and that’s the difference.

27 Jul 2020 08:18:43
When you say what other option could we get in if we let him go, I was inferring Brewster.

Given he’s more than shown his capabilities at a team which struggle to create chances. If he could get a similar amount of game time as origi next season i think he could offer more short term and long term.

27 Jul 2020 08:21:21
You mean the 33 point difference between us and Chelsea.

27 Jul 2020 08:29:12
Hollywood Hogan - Origi would need more than goals to get in ahead of Firmino.
Not sure where you are going with the Pulisic comparison. they finished 33 points behind us.

27 Jul 2020 09:18:50
Werner was the man to replace Div, yet clearly absolute priorities lie elsewhere. Im hoping that we find a talented young player who is willing to push the front 3 hard and allow himself to develop under the greatest management team on the planet.

27 Jul 2020 11:47:29
Div is not consistent. His was here before front 3 and still he cannot command a place. either we find a suitable replacement or give youngster a chance but his just not good enough.

27 Jul 2020 12:43:20
Decelticon, that is not true. The front three where constituted in the 17/ 18 season, the same season Origi was away at Wolfsburg on loan. Just facts, bro.

Secondly, how do you expect a player who rarely gets a run of games to be consistent esp. if he is behind the best front three on the planet? You don't get better by not playing and even when Origi ripped Everton a new one, he went back to the bench the very next game. Is that his fault as well?

Here's an example: Paco Alcacer was a beast at Valencia, scoring goals for fun. He went to Barcelona and rotted on the bench for two years or so, behind Suarez, Messi and Neymar. Finally found his scoring touch at Dortmund last season and now at Villareal scoring a fair share. It is not easy for him and clearly he is happy with his role and so is Klopp and you may disagree with that and want him sold BUT judgment is a bit harsh on him under the circumstances, IMO.

27 Jul 2020 14:41:43
Origi, when taking over from any of the front 3, seldom impress. Maybe me does need a run of games, but he is not going to get it at LFC.
Only way is if 1 of our front 3 get injured say for a month (6games or so) . Would you really be confident that Origi is now your starter?
I know my answer.
Minus that performance against Everton, he has not really impressed.
Mason Greenwood was not a tarter and burst through all right. Origin has failed to do so for 3-4 Seasons now.
I say let him go.
I do rather have Brewster, although I had been hoping for Werner.

26 Jul 2020 10:57:16
Good morning eds, is their any truth in the new rumour in the press that Liverpool are interested in Harvey Barnes of Leicester?
Seems a young pacy direct winger, though we have similar out on loan in Wilson.

Thanks.

{Ed002's Note - I am not aware of any approach but he would fit as a Lallana replacement - and we know Cantwell was previously considered. I had expected Liverpool to use Curtis Jones in that role. I am not aware of any approach to Leicester at this time.}

26 Jul 2020 11:41:14
Harvey Barnes would make literally no sense at all as a transfer, he’s a run of the mill Stewart Downing type winger at best and we’ve already had one of those in recent history, so no thanks. Not better than anyone already at the club and would be a massive waste of money.

26 Jul 2020 12:20:24
I’d see Harvey Barnes as more of a replacement for Shaqiri if he went. Able to play Out wide on both flanks. I know what your saying about downing six times but club has moved on whoever they go for we should give a chance, plus he wouldn’t come in as a start like downing was bought for.

To be honest I don’t see it anyways, with him being English aswell I bet the asking price is 50mill plus. No way lfc spending that on him.

26 Jul 2020 12:57:21
Shaqiri is a far better more experienced player than Barnes is. Barnes is a mid table player at best, not particularly quick, not particularly skilful, not a particularly regular goal threat inside or outside the box. Selling Shaqiri, Wilson and possibly Origi and buying Barnes would be robbing Peter to pay Paul as he’s no better than any of them. He’s more of an Everton signing than a Liverpool one.

26 Jul 2020 13:27:30
Barnes is not even a mid table. Very average Stewart downing version 2.0. Not sure how he would fit in. Should be looking at a Winger in all honesty.

26 Jul 2020 13:34:54
Really amazing how some just completely disregard a player as not good enough
How many said that about Robbo from Hull and now everyone thinks he is the best left back in world football
The kid is so young just think it is wrong to write someone off before he has even matured into a proper player
Not saying I want him but if klopp thinks someone you good enough then I’m willing to give them a chance.

26 Jul 2020 13:38:55
I think if Shaqiri leaves then we do need to replace him. Obviously I would like to see Harvey get a chance but it’s important that we keep a good solid team to fight on multiple fronts.

I wouldn’t mind seeing Harvey go on loan for a season to gain experience and grow.

26 Jul 2020 13:52:07
yep got to agree with Hollywood Hogan on this one. we don't know if the rumour is true but how quickly people dismiss players, probably because they don't have a continental name. It was exactly the same with Robbo and he didn't turn out too bad did he. Whatever Klopp and the scouts do is good for me as they know best. The last player we had with Barnes as a surname didn't turn out too bad either.

26 Jul 2020 14:06:26
Robbo was the stand out performer at Hull and showed countless times he was good enough against decent opponents whilst in a pretty rotten team, Barnes looks mediocre in a good team competing at the top, Robbo didn’t have the luxury of being surrounded by good players (I mean, the poor lad played in the same defence as Maguire, so that alone means he’s having to do the thinking for two players because of that oaf), so it’s a bit of false equivalency to compare the two. Barnes hasn’t shown anything more than being a mediocre winger in the mould of Stewart Downing and like I say, we’ve been down this route before and it failed miserably. Might as well keep Shaq or Wilson as waste money like that, and are we literally saying that there’s not better players around for the ridiculous fee that Leicester would want? (Given that they don’t need to sell and he’s English which is a licence to demand stupid money? ) . It’s not a matter of writing a young player off, as he’s at the age where you know what he’s about (23 this year) and there’s really not a top class player there.

26 Jul 2020 14:12:58
I rate this young player Harvey Barnes, he is 22 yrs old, can play in a few different positions,
yes we need to ofload a couple of players like the Shaq, Wilson, maybe Origi,
Barnes is English, hard working, is ideal playing off Mane and Salah,
I would def like this player, great age, depends on the price tho .

26 Jul 2020 14:30:33
The disrespect from our fans after 1 league title win is truly unbelievable. Are we talking about the same 22 year old Harvey Barnes with 7 goals and 9 assists in his breakthrough season?

I mean Christ, what is the standard for mid table now? Ryan Giggs rarely bettered those numbers across his 20 year career.

I don't think Barnes is what we need but to call him average is just blind arrogance. Maybe Lampard had a bloody point.

26 Jul 2020 14:56:22
Why buy Barnes and not give Wilson the opportunity? Seems strange to me. Also, where is this money for Barnes coming from?

26 Jul 2020 15:18:16
Actually it’s 6 premier league goals and 8 assists, one less goal scored than Harry Wilson scored on loan at Bournemouth playing with worse players in a relegation battling side and other than the assists (it’s fair to argue that it’s easier to provide assists to strikers like Vardy than it is the likes of Josh King) their stats have been very similar (check whoscored), there’s really no point selling Wilson to bring in a similar player. In fact ironically it’s very similar to the stats that Downing racked up in the season before we signed him, and we all know how that worked out don’t we.

As for Ryan Giggs, one of the most over rated players ever, not even the best footballer in his own family.

It’s not disrespectful to say he’s not good enough, it’s just a harsh fact of life, the same as saying Harry Wilson isn’t good enough and the same as saying Stewart Downing wasn’t good enough. That’s not arrogant. It’s just saying it how it is.

26 Jul 2020 15:35:50
Has anyone ever heard of a player that Harry and 6times aren’t an expert on?

26 Jul 2020 15:44:32
You didn't say "not good enough". You saud "very average" and "mid table at best".

If you'd simply said he wasn't good enough for this Liverpool team I'd not be disputing that.

He also has 1 goal and 1 assist in the cups by the way so it is 7 and 9. Anyway the stats are a rough gauge. Actually watching him play he is a better player than Wilson regarding his all around game. Wilson has great striking technique but doesn't impact games for long periods.

Barnes is not average in my opinion but its all subjective so you do you. It came across as disrespectful.

26 Jul 2020 15:59:28
"Robertson was a stand out player at Hull". Pull the other one. Some Hull fans were delighted to get £8m for him as "he's alright going forward but not up to much at defending". So please stop with the rubbish about Barnes. If, and it's a big if, Klopp and the scouts want him then they've obviously seen something in the kid they can work with. Same people on here now kissing Robertson's arse were the same ones crying that the club didn't spew £50m on Benjamin Mendy.

26 Jul 2020 16:16:58
Seems I threw a bit of hand grenade into the forum with my Harvey Barnes Post, good to see a lively discussion tho guys.

27 Jul 2020 08:29:41
Would love to see Barnes on the back of a Liverpool top again lol.

27 Jul 2020 12:50:48
Jgrant39, Have you met Harry or I mean, Hollywood Hogan? The dismisses players all the time. The same Robertson that people like me dismissed, HH dismissed him as well at the time and was slating Klopp for not going for Benjamin Mendy. Not having a go at you but just letting you know who you are dealing with.

As for Barnes, he is still young and raw so why sign him whereas we have a Harvey Elliot who is a baller at his age who Klopp rates highly who can easily add that depth? Just asking for a friend.