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12 Aug 2023 12:08:29
Ed2 with lavia and caciedo looking unlikely, do you know any other dms that we might move for?
{Ed002's Note - There are plenty who Liverpool have at some point considered who are still available.}
1.) 12 Aug 2023 13:05:58
Caicedo and Lavia are still available. Why are they unlikely?
2.) 12 Aug 2023 13:05:58
Caicedo and Lavia are still available. Why are they unlikely?
3.) 12 Aug 2023 12:55:46
I guess the only issue is we’re now on to at least our third choice… not very inspiring. But that’s the reality. I’m sure we’ll get someone to improve our squad over the line ?.
4.) 12 Aug 2023 12:57:37
Ed 02 i remember at the start of the window klopp said if we want quality players we may have to do buisness late in the window, i am hoping this is a plan with top clubs buying and other players becoming availabe and we may pounce, u mentioned valverde is available at the right price but would he contemplate coming to england in particular liverpool.
{Ed002's Note - I don't know how he would feel about a move to England.}
5.) 12 Aug 2023 13:48:11
FlyPelicanFly I admire you mate but come on we have to move on from both players. They will both be playing for Chelsea.
6.) 12 Aug 2023 14:20:01
Lavia favours us apparently but Southampton are proving difficult to deal and this caiceido saga is not helping . We have the money so don't know why we don't go for florentino luis and sangare is a good option also.
{Ed002's Note - In what way are Southampton proving difficult to deal with?}
7.) 12 Aug 2023 14:27:12
Daretodream - the fact is we like both players and both are available. We’ve bid for both and even have a fee agreed for one that is a British transfer record. Why should we be negative?
8.) 12 Aug 2023 14:42:37
Sorry Ed I will rephrase that we don't want to go above 45 and they value him at 50 so our issue.
{Ed002's Note - Liverpool will now need to offer more than £50M now.}
9.) 12 Aug 2023 14:40:55
FlyPelicanFly, because we will finish up with non of these players mate. It’s not being negative it’s being realistic. I don’t get why people are still asking about them and making up bull shut stories about FFP and agent fees etc etc. we all need to move on.
10.) 12 Aug 2023 14:56:00
£50 million and £1.
{Ed002's Note - Rather more than that I am afraid.}
11.) 12 Aug 2023 14:58:11
Realistic is what the current facts are, Daretodream.
We can move on when the facts change.
In the meantime, we wait.
12.) 12 Aug 2023 16:03:47
Kalvin Phillips will end up in our squad.
10 Aug 2023 13:27:11
We’re is all this nonsense coming from. We haven’t bid for caicedo so why everyone says we have is nonsense.
1.) 10 Aug 2023 13:35:34
And you know this how?
{Ed002's Note - There has been no bid from Liverpool.}
2.) 10 Aug 2023 13:37:15
Hi Ed2 have Liverpool actually bid for Caicedo or just made an enquiry? Do they have the financial ability to pull off the transfer.
{Ed002's Note - There has been no bid from Liverpool.}
3.) 10 Aug 2023 13:40:17
Apparently we have contacted Brighton with due diligence on the player expressing our interest to BHA incase he doesn’t complete with Chelsea.
{Ed002's Note - It is nothing to do with "due diligence". Try not to overcomplicate anything.}
4.) 10 Aug 2023 13:49:24
Sorry Ed I’m just trying to make sense of it all. We can’t afford a 50M player but have shown an interest in an 100M player who is surely well out of our reach. I just don’t get it.
{Ed002's Note - Who said Liverpool "cannot afford" a £50M player?}
5.) 10 Aug 2023 14:05:44
She try Ed I was obviously going with the Lavia situation. I just don’t see us stumping up 100M on one player. Chelsea have more financial clout than us so if they see him as to expensive then I can’t understand why we even asked BHA.
6.) 10 Aug 2023 14:27:00
Why do people fail to understand value. Us not paying 50 mill for Lavia which we still might has nothing to do with an inability to afford it.
Have you ever been at a cinema or an airport and though wow I'm not paying 5 quid for a bottle of water. That has nothing to do with an inability to afford it you make a choice not to.
Only difference is here is it is a once off commodity. Similar to if you are trying to buy a house there will be many houses you might be able to afford but choosing not to pay the asking price on one doesn't equal you can't afford it.
Before people bring up Bellingham now and say we should have bought him, one the player wanted to go Madrid, I assume the wages would be a hell of a lot higher too something that has to be considered. And as ed002 has spent a long time trying to explain there are other factors like agent fees various taxes depending on where deals get done and occasionally 3rd party payments for whatever service may be provided. This is before getting into how the fee is to be structured in terms of fixed payments and add ONS and when they take place.
The club will weigh all of this up and decide whether they are still interested. Similar to if you were buying a house and weigh up the price the location the size the interest rate the duration of any mortgage the agents fees and so on and decide whether it is right for you. Just much easier to play with others money.
7.) 10 Aug 2023 14:09:54
It seems to be about valuation. We don’t value Lavia at £50m so we won’t pay it but we might value Caicedo at £100m so we might pay that.
Still seems a bit steep to me bit hey ho it’s not my money. I do miss the more recent trend of getting our business done early though.
8.) 10 Aug 2023 14:15:30
OP The news was not that we bid for him. It was that we made contact with Brighton. Nothing more. I presume that once the understand what Brighton expect regarding payment terms they may or may not bid accordingly. We’ll have to wait and see. Life would be much easier if we didn’t torture ourselves looking for minute by minute updates. If it happens it happens.
9.) 10 Aug 2023 14:16:10
Daretodream it’s not that we can’t afford Lavia it’s more how much we value him at. Maybe we value caicedo more and did not think we had a chance to sign him because it looked like he was nailed on to join Chelsea and if they are not willing to go any higher than there last bid. maybe we are just checking to see what sort of payment plan Brighton are after because if reports are right Southampton want £40m upfront so if we can spread the payments over a longer period maybe caicedo fits better.
10.) 10 Aug 2023 14:18:09
So Ed2 how do you think that is going to unveil? You seem almost clear than Chelsea do not want to bid more than what they have already offered.
{Ed002's Note - I really don't know.}
11.) 10 Aug 2023 14:19:32
There is a big difference between 'can't afford' and 'deem too expensive'. If somebody tried to charge me £10 for a portion of chips I would deem it too expensive but I would happily pay £20 for a quality steak. Liverpool deeming a player to expensive is exactly the same - we could easily afford to give Southampton £50M for Lavia but the club do not see this as good value. If the club think Caicedo is worth £90M or £100M (and I don't think we do) then I suspect we would pay it.
12.) 10 Aug 2023 14:35:53
Ok everyone seems to be putting me down on my post and challenging me when I say we can’t afford a 50M player. I should have perhaps said we won’t or don’t see the value in him to bud 50M would that be better suited? Truth is we are not paying 100M for a player fact. Anyone think we will?
13.) 10 Aug 2023 14:39:38
Schmadtke plays too much! their transfer approach has gone backwards to the time when FSG's era began, when they admitted they didn't know much about football and that they were still learning.
Am happy if they buy Caicedo and get nobody else in this transfer window, but this at best is a desperate move if not just a PR stunt. Expect for the sporting director to let go at the end of his temporary term, John Henry to have some interview and say something that sounds like an apology.
14.) 10 Aug 2023 14:42:11
Not me daretodream. I d be utterly shocked if it happened.
15.) 10 Aug 2023 14:50:40
Dare to dream we would have spent that on Jude but he wanted to go elsewhere.
We made more than expected on Hendo and Fab sale.
We would have spent near £50m on a 19 year old.
We have bought several players over £75m
We are currently speaking with Brighton about a player we know they turned down an offer over £80m recently for
I don’t bet but I wouldn’t bet against it 100%.
16.) 10 Aug 2023 14:52:45
The posts are coming from sky sports reporting that Liverpool had outbid Chelsea for Caicedo. This was taken from a journalist surname Law (forgive me not knowing his forename) .
Fans, myself included, have taken this rumour reported and asked questions on a rumour page.
Sky sports have since retracted that report and replaced it with Liverpool have made contact with Brighton.
This Liverpool-rumours page wouldn't be much if fans of the team couldn't come here with a rumour they had heard.
{Ed002's Note - Matt Law.}
17.) 10 Aug 2023 14:54:05
Daretodream- I doubt it but we have backed ourselves into a corner and the market for a suitable DM is thin on the ground to say the least, FSG might see the money we got for Henderson and Fabinho as a bonus and are maybe willing to stretch to buy Caicedo if the terms are right. We have spent big money on individuals under FSG’s ownership in the past so it’s not beyond the realms imo.
18.) 10 Aug 2023 15:00:41
Maybe we will buy caicedo and lavia ?.
19.) 10 Aug 2023 15:06:53
DtD, 100,000,000% not going to happen, in my honest opinion. I would also worry about paying £50M for Lavia but given that the league starts this weekend then I do think we need to buy someone. With Andre ruled 'not for sale', Caicedo off to Chelsea and no one else being rumoured then I would suggest that we should take a chance on Lavia and hope that both he and Bajetic develop into world class DMs.
20.) 10 Aug 2023 15:09:54
I see a scenario where Chelsea get Lavia Caicedo Adams and we put our faith in Bajetic.
21.) 10 Aug 2023 15:29:33
My two pence on this is that if the Caicedo interest is true it makes complete sense. I could not see the logic in getting Lavia to be the one and only CDM in the squad. He has a lot of potential, but is not ready to be a regular starter across a full season.
I always thought he was going to be a project alongside a more experienced player. I worried we were putting all our eggs in the Tchou basket and would end up short. Caicedo fits in the ready to start bracket. He proved last year alongside Mac that they could match any midfield in tge league.
He would be transformative and maybe the club have heard Chelsea are not prepared to pay and are willing to pay the extra for a ready made starter. I guess it would be him only and not one additional CM, but I would rather one top player than a back up and a project player.
It will be interesting to see how it plays out, but it makes complete sense to me and also for Chelsea. They get two in, which they need for the combined cost of Caicedo and we get our ready made Fabinho replacement.
Cheers.
{Ed002's Note - Perhaps Liverpool should make an offer of £100M then?}
22.) 10 Aug 2023 15:38:39
There we go Ed002 putting it like that, just no way on this planet that we sign him.
23.) 10 Aug 2023 15:47:52
Rolls eyes.
24.) 10 Aug 2023 15:51:15
I very much see a scenario where we may or may not get lavia and that's the window done for us. Very disheartened. can we please have hendo back.
25.) 10 Aug 2023 15:48:27
Putting it like what? No one anywhere (other than fans who have ZERO idea) has definitively said we cannot afford a £100,000,000, nor that we wouldn’t spend that on the right player. It remains to be seen if caicedo were deemed the right player, but all this definitive nay say nonsense is pure guesswork. Makes more sense than Lavia at 50 mil in my opinion, but its not my money so i don't care either way as long as someone comes to fill the void.
26.) 10 Aug 2023 15:54:24
What you reckon ed002? I know you’ve said you really don’t know and I wouldn’t want you to put your neck on the line… but if you were a betting man, where do you see Moises and Romeo playing come September 1st?
Thanks as always for your time and knowledge.
{Ed002's Note - I don't expect either to be playing on September 1.}
27.) 10 Aug 2023 16:08:40
It doesn't matter if we pay it or not, the lad wants to go to chelsea just like Bellingham wanted to go to Real Madrid, unfortunately not every player wants to play for us.
28.) 10 Aug 2023 16:13:59
Agree entirely with Ed. Might do on the 2nd or 3rd though.
29.) 10 Aug 2023 16:19:37
Nice swerve… either way, I wish liverpool would employ similar level staff to Brighton and Southampton who both seem to have very good scouting personnel, they both do very well signing these young talents.
{Ed002's Note - You will have to askChelsea about that.}
30.) 10 Aug 2023 16:23:09
You don't think he's going to Luton or West Ham then Ed? :)
{Ed002's Note - Nope.}
31.) 10 Aug 2023 16:42:05
Cheers Ed - maybe we have a chance of either coming and playing for Sligo Rovers - are we all love a dream!
32.) 10 Aug 2023 17:24:12
Ok, we didn't make an offer for Caicedo. Did we get in contact today with brighton regarding the player and was the conversation regarding a possible transfer of said player?
{Ed002's Note - I have explained all of this. Liverpool have not made an offer and are not negotiating a transfer. This is really tedious.}
33.) 10 Aug 2023 18:12:20
I see either of 2 things
Chelsea bid on our target so Liverpool with a false bid for Caicedo to warn Chelsea away from our Lavia target
With Sky Sports retracting the statement it means Liverpool didn't speak to caicdeo to see if he was interested in coming to liverpool before a bid can be made - it would be embarassing bidding for caicedo if he wasnt interested to come to us.
{Ed002's Note - A “false bid” eh. Wow. Brighton should accept their £100N “false bid” then and let’s see how Liverpool react. This is one of the most embarrassing days ever for the posts.}
34.) 10 Aug 2023 19:34:54
There's a lot of this 'Smokescreen' nonsense being mentioned, or so I've seen.
Does anybody really believe that clubs go out of their way to annoy other clubs, just to leak that nonsense to Sky Sports and other media outlets? - rubbish.
Chelsea have interest in Lavia, we've known that for a while - if they bid, they want him. Simple as that. It's the same as us; if we want him, we know what we need to do.
35.) 10 Aug 2023 19:35:56
Of course we haven’t bid for Caicedo, we haven’t tapped the player up yet.
36.) 10 Aug 2023 19:39:20
im waiting for the Sander Berg rumours to start up again lmao.
{Ed077's Note - sadly joined Burnley instead...}
37.) 10 Aug 2023 19:49:05
£45 million for Kalvin Phillips.
{Ed077's Note - Ed001 is doing sommersaults in his room out of Joy ;-P}
38.) 10 Aug 2023 18:19:16
Ed's can you explain what is going on please? Is this gamesmanship, and, in your opinions, will Caicdeo goto CFC and Lavia to LFC?
{Ed002's Note - I am not aware of a bid for Caicedo by Liverpool yet.}
39.) 10 Aug 2023 18:24:43
This is an interesting thread, the interpretations going on here, firstly, have LFC tried to tap Caicedo, does anyone know, if not, then this is a step away from our normal operating practices it appears, lol
Just add something of speculation, Macca I believe said it may be something from left field re recruitment of a DM, is this the left field thing, idk
But things are definitely interesting atm.
Spare a thought for the Ed’s guy’s, I’m sure they need a pint or 2.
{Ed002's Note - No doubt Macca will be dealing with this soon.}
40.) 10 Aug 2023 18:32:50
Ed002 just a question then on club relationships with journalists in the modern world.
Obviously Matt broke the “news” this morning and as far as I can tell he’s pretty well respected. I doubt he would have put it out there unless he would have received that from a source in one of the clubs (who clearly had the wrong end of the stick) . Unfortunately for him obviously it was proven false within an hour.
Do journalists then ever look to verify the information they get or will they simple trust their sources and run the risk, like poor Matt, you end up looking a bit of a burk.
{Ed002's Note - Some Journalists are able to talk directly with agents and sometime clubs. I woul not try o build too much out of it.}
41.) 10 Aug 2023 19:20:10
Can I just say well done to Ed002 for not having spontaneously combusted today (or this window) with having to repeat answers to utter nonsense.
Please keep up the good work ED002 (and the other Ed’s of course) I look forward to your insights.
{Ed002's Note - Thanks.}
42.) 10 Aug 2023 22:13:06
WDS must have chomped through an entire crate of electric brownies today.
He deserves it bless him.
43.) 10 Aug 2023 22:42:14
daretodream - the problem with your questions is that you're answering your own question with your own bias against the owners. there's no point trying to speculate whether we would pay this or that because we don't really know what we see as value. We've broken our transfer record every other year, so why not break it again? Who knows.
For me, of the two, Caicedo is the player to go for. Chelsea have been told how much Brighton would accept and have low-balled them (my interpretation ed2, be gentle lol) . So maybe they miss out if, as ed2 says, they don't want to go higher than they already have. If he is in limbo then it would be interesting to see what happens next!
21 May 2023 12:44:26
Ed2 have Liverpool or Klopp actually spoken with mount and discussed wages etc or is it a case of Klopp has spoken to him to see if he would be keen on a move? I don’t condone tapping up just curious what current situation is?
{Ed002's Note - Klopp tapped him up, Chelsea found out and then the club declared an interest.}
1.) 21 May 2023 13:22:52
Did Jurgen have a bag of Jelly Babies in his coat pocket, or a puppy in side his coat?
2.) 21 May 2023 20:16:06
I’m what form did the tapping up occur? Was it a phone call? Announcing it in a presser? Declared public interest before taking to the club? Just interested to know. Thanks Ed.
{Ed002's Note - why would you want to drag this out - five complaints in 12 months and Klopp making himself look stupid in the press conference.}
3.) 21 May 2023 21:47:57
Yeah, the playing dumb part in the press conference was insulting in my opinion. Everyone knows he does it, he knows he does it, he knows we know he does it, he knows he shouldn't, yet plays dumb about the whole thing.
{Ed002's Note - That is why he has added stupidity to his list of attributes.}
4.) 21 May 2023 22:36:13
Calling the people that use this site everyone is a stretch, never heard it mentioned anywhere else, ever.
5.) 22 May 2023 09:06:09
Apart from Virgil, why are these complaints about Klopp tapping-up not available anywhere online? Bellingham was unproven. Odegaard was a joke perpetuated by Arsenal fans. Ugarte specifically names Liverpool not Klopp.
The 2017 academy tapping up case was pre -Klopp, so is this a Liverpool tapping-up issue rather than a Klopp one?
Why is it only Ed02 saying this? I am not saying it isn’t true but where there is fire there is usually smoke, not one boy crying wolf.
{Ed002's Note - So you think it was someone else who tapped up Ugarte? Klopp has himself duiscussed it in a News Conference claiming stupidity as he didn't think it illegal. I assume you think it was a Klopp lookalike flew to Nice to meet Tchouaméni in Monaco? Klopp spoke with Bellingham's father to try and influence the transfer. There have been no accusations about Odegaard that I am aware of. Klopp approached Mount directly. And there are two other examples this season. There are also plenty of examples from the past - Stoke made a complaint about Liverpool, not Klopp, but he was involved in the tribunal and lied - all of which led to a long ban. Two Liverpool directors left a trail of slime when the made a grovelling apology to Fulham over an illegal approach to stop them making a formal complaint. Liverpool then paid £15M over the odds and outrageous agent fees to Southampton for an illegal approach and having van Djik go on strike for six months. They have paid off other clubs, heeded verbal warnings, suffered the indignation of what other clubs have said about their lack of respect (a good example being Sporting) and stepped back after complaints were made in writing.}
6.) 22 May 2023 11:44:24
I know the Virgil deal was blatant, as was the 2017 debacle.
I am just staggered that the gutter tabloids are not having a field day with this. I am not naïve enough to think that he is unimpeachable but I also do not think a quality publication like the Sun would not go to town with an article on Klopp tapping up. It would not reflect well on us if they do.
Isn’t Bellingham’s father his agent? If not, this again is reprehensible behaviour.
As for Ugarte, I did not see the press conference. So I apologise Ed02. I am sorry.
I think Klopp needs to be given a disciplinary by the club and at least a verbal warning. Tapping up is misconduct and the club need to stamp it out before there are more severe consequences for his actions. He is bringing the once great name of the club into disrepute and is in danger of becoming a bigger clown than Rick Parry. Come on Jurgen, learn from your mistakes!
We cannot sit here moaning about Man City when our own house is covered in dirt.
{Ed002's Note - Bellingham's father is not a registered agent nor lawyer which are required for transfer negotiations in Germany. There is nothing wrong with following due process which is all that Klopp needs to do.}
7.) 22 May 2023 12:57:48
I just don't understand why he keeps doing it but someone needs to stop it. It doesn't help us to get our targets and only makes things worse.
07 Feb 2023 19:35:19
I see Man City are paying a lawyer potentially 80k a day to represent them. Wonder how that will be shown in the books…. Lol probably claim it as sponsership.
1.) 07 Feb 2023 21:05:35
injurylawyers4u get stadium naming rights.
2.) 07 Feb 2023 22:01:35
Aye he will be costing them 80k a day but they will
Put it through as 200k a day additional sponsorship topped up by the owner…. Oh wait he’s paying him the 80k out of his own money too. Can’t see what’s wrong with that?
Il pay you the money to sponsor my club is that not allowed?
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02 Nov 2023 17:57:47
Well I haven’t posted since the Chelsea game due to all the doom bloomers on here moaning about our season already being derailed.
I’ve watched from afar and chuckled at how the haters turned back to believers again, I’m glad people are seeing how good this team could be. Another addition or two and we could be incredible.
Now I sit mainly on the Man U page as I also watched them (including Gary Neville himself) claiming LFC were in trouble this year. To see them going from believers to sack wee Erick.
It’s amazing what a couple of wins can do for people on here or losses for that matter.
Anyway it’s nice to be back now it’s a bit more positive on here. And hey I hope Man U sign Erick to a nice long extension, he’s doing a grand job for us….
1.) 02 Nov 2023 18:13:49
I thought eventually the draw to Chelsea would look decent.
But The longer the season goes on. That point away at The Bridge looks worse and worse ?.
2.) 02 Nov 2023 18:23:26
How sad you are mate.
3.) 02 Nov 2023 18:30:49
Lol, I’m hindsight it may well be, but at the time it was a decent result against a team many expected to be doing well this season, while they expected us to struggle.
Just hilarious watching all the back tracking but I’m loving Liverpool 2.0!
4.) 02 Nov 2023 18:59:30
LiverpoolFC8, ain't that the truth. At the time, I thought we got a good point esp. since we looked pretty undercooked hence, we started well and could have been 2 up within the first 30 mins with Chelsea chasing shadows and we dropped off and they took over. And then, we made the changes and saw the game out.
At that point, I thought if we got the players we needed &s the TW was still open, we could do something. As the season has gone, I don't see that result as a bad or worse result (I know you're joking) cos at the time, nobody thought that. Hindsight does crazy things, mate.
5.) 02 Nov 2023 19:02:22
According to your profile you have posted on here multiple times since the Chelsea game, why lie? Whitewalker is right you are sad.
6.) 02 Nov 2023 19:02:25
A point away at Chelsea is always a decent result but especially on the first day of the season.
Arsenal only got a point there too don’t forget and they were 2-0 down and really struggling until Chelsea’s keeper gifted them a lifeline.
The season is shaping up nicely if you’re a Liverpool fan and Klopp’s Liverpool 2.0 is getting better and better.
With the title winning team I used to have a feeling that we would always win, even if we had our backs against the wall and they proved me right more often than not. I don’t quite get that feeling with this team just yet but with each game that passes I’m starting to feel that way more and more.
Exciting times ahead.
7.) 02 Nov 2023 19:02:22
According to your profile you have posted on here multiple times since the Chelsea game, why lie? Whitewalker is right you are sad.
8.) 02 Nov 2023 19:02:25
A point away at Chelsea is always a decent result but especially on the first day of the season.
Arsenal only got a point there too don’t forget and they were 2-0 down and really struggling until Chelsea’s keeper gifted them a lifeline.
The season is shaping up nicely if you’re a Liverpool fan and Klopp’s Liverpool 2.0 is getting better and better.
With the title winning team I used to have a feeling that we would always win, even if we had our backs against the wall and they proved me right more often than not. I don’t quite get that feeling with this team just yet but with each game that passes I’m starting to feel that way more and more.
Exciting times ahead.
9.) 02 Nov 2023 19:21:01
Bang on BP any positive result away first game season with their fans and optimism behind them is a good result.
10.) 02 Nov 2023 19:45:44
We would be top now if not for that robbery at Spurs. Confidence is building but I agree we are that one player short. Wish Baj could get himself fit and firing.
Just read that Diaz’s father is about to be released. ?.
11.) 03 Nov 2023 07:21:11
Yeah I’ve just read that mark aswell
What a traumatic event for the whole family . I really hope it comes to an end quickly as the fear of not knowing can be hellish .
Apparently the head people in the eln (group that captured him)
Have pleaded with their own men to release mane Diaz
Hopefully Lucho will be reunited with his mum and dad very soon .
12.) 03 Nov 2023 08:12:34
Social media fairy stories again? Why don’t t we wait for an official statement by the Columbia authorities?
13.) 03 Nov 2023 08:56:00
The thing is, we aren’t top and the Chelsea match doesn’t matter- it’s been and gone. I know it’s reassuring to say ‘imagine if’ but the only thing that matters at the moment is the Luton match.
05 Oct 2023 06:57:36
Got to say the pgmol are the gift that keep digging a hole.
Darren England will now not officiate any LFC games for the remainder of the season.
That’s just adding fuel to the fire around the incompetence of these refs.
If he’s not good enough to ref for LFC games due to his “mistake” then how does that mean he’s competent to ref all the other teams? If he can’t be trusted to ref one team he can’t ref any.
Frankly listening to the audio it sounds like he purposely made untrue comments to cause confusion. For me that’s a clear bias and cheating. He’s been caught LFC have called it out (rightly so) and he’s now “removed”
From refereeing our games. Hardly helps people believe that this was not cheating at the highest level.
1.) 05 Oct 2023 07:45:42
I would have to aggree, best msg they could have put out is to sack him out the prem. Can you imagine the fireworks the next time Hooper cocks it up or next time var cocks it up. Bias is to purpously say specific individuals can not ref Liverpool games, so if let's say as an example if Hooper was a city fan he should not be allowed to ref city games because of a possible bias, its like they have admitted refs show bias.
2.) 05 Oct 2023 08:37:26
Good post. This decision reeks of desperation as opposed to acting logically and taking proper action. I just can't understand why are referees so protected from any criticism or repercussions when players, coaches and teams are regularly penalized and banned (when appropriate) .
This mistake without doubt was of the highest degree which could potentially have significant implications on a football club at end of the season (and hundreds of people attached to it), but the decision in response is to turn a blind eye and let the referee off with a slap on the wrist?
I for one am not calling for the referee to be sacked if indeed pgmol believes this to a honest mistake, but something has to give and if the referee is not disciplined then the process has to significantly change instantly to ensure that this (and any other 'significant human error') does not happen again.
I for the life of me cannot understand what is pgmol so afraid of to air the conversation between the referee and VAR? What are they trying to shield by not broadcasting the real time conversation between referee and VAR?
3.) 05 Oct 2023 09:04:36
this is to protect him, imagine a scenario where he refs one of our games and he gives another questionable decision. Imagine the noise around him then.
4.) 05 Oct 2023 09:21:05
Its just laughable. I’ve restrained myself from commenting and posting the last days because my brain hasn’t been able to comprehend that all of this is actually real. Can’t believe what I’ve witnessed and can’t believe that heads aren’t rolling. It’s like when a police officer makes “mistakes” and get protected instead of punished. My faith is rescinding big time and I’ve been more excited about Liverpool and football this season than I’ve been since the CL winning season. My heart got ripped out and I’m in pain still. But I can’t wait for the game tonight. I’m sure the boys will mend the pain and show some beautiful football despite all the noise. YNWA.
5.) 05 Oct 2023 09:21:28
An issue with em being allowed to ref in the uae is because they are eufa and fifa level refs they see having a prem ref as having the best. Ok so fifa and eufa should step in and say they fell below the standards required and are suspended from eufa fifa games, i believe being self governed sets out bias in its own right, a powerful statement to the two involved would be to remove them from any level of reffing from the prem and above thus kicking them down to championship level and lower. So if a club fails they get relegated if a ref fails they get relegated. Clearly the pgmol is too buddy buddy.
{Ed002's Note - It is nothing to do with FIFA and EUEFA.}
6.) 05 Oct 2023 10:20:43
The issue is he has made a highly suspect error that questions the integrity of the game and his integrity. I very much think the appropriate action is to sack him.
At minimum lengthy suspension from all games. 6 months or more.
7.) 05 Oct 2023 10:49:44
If someone is guilty, we’ll never hear of it. Nobody will put them, including Media because that also makes money from the premier league.
{Ed002's Note - Rubbish. Match fixing has happened before - but there is nothing to substantiate the terious allegations that this is match fixing or corruption.}
8.) 05 Oct 2023 11:48:55
It's a complete farce
Again, PGMOL had a chance to put a stake in the ground and do the right thing. and then they go and do this
Again, more questions are raised than answered.
This is a very dangerous precedent that they are setting.
They could end up not having enough refs for certain games if they keep handing out these "punishments"
9.) 05 Oct 2023 15:58:51
everybody has their focus on the massive horror show from VAR,
and not thinking about the performance from the ref,
that was another horror show in itself .
gomez didn't get a pen,
the Mo Salah yellow card, when the ref gave a free kick against Mo. when he won the ball and was running towards goal, was another huge red flag for me,
lest we forget .
YNWA.
10.) 05 Oct 2023 16:08:51
I don't know why the ref couldn't have stopped the game it happens all the time when teams restart from the wrong position its nonsense DE couldn't have told the ref to stop the game and restart from the centre with the goal awarded.
11.) 05 Oct 2023 16:17:00
He got a yellow for kicking the ball away I thought.
12.) 05 Oct 2023 20:27:37
yes he did Irish but the ref gave a free kick against Mo who would have been in on goal, , no way that was a foul by Mo, another red flag for me from the ref.
01 Oct 2023 19:30:15
If this isn’t corruption (not just against Liverpool) then we really have a problem with incompetence at the highest level.
In the real world you would be given a formal warning for your first mistake. A final warning for your second and fired for your third.
These referees are incompetent but get “taken off the next game” and that’s it. How do you learn from your mistakes if that’s how they are treated. Frankly it’s ridiculous, either give the var to someone not associated with the English refs and get an independent body in, or sack the incompetent refs and get ones who can get the work done how it should be.
This is the problem we face that no one is held accountable as.
1.) 01 Oct 2023 19:48:59
Too much energy into what will not change. Mistakes happen. Unfortunately we were at receiving end. As always these balance out.
Lets talk about football and how this team is something we have always expected from Liverpool. Passion and heart on sleeve.
2.) 01 Oct 2023 20:45:05
Akira, this is NOT a mistake. How can we talk football when we got rolled over this much? Man, relax with that stuff. This is blatant incompetence bordering on match fixing, my friend so enuff with deferring to human error. Keep in mind that it was the PL in their infinite "wisdom" who refused the automated offside system that works a treat in the CL, to be implemented in the PL.
Based on the statement from the PGMOL, the VAR's thought the goal was given. How the football did 3 VAR officials miss that. Where where they at? Were they not watching the game at all? Sorry, that dog won't hunt. For me, they were NOT watching the game at that time and the PGMOL put that rubbish out to cover for them and NOBODY is buying it.
Last thing, the whole "things balancing out" schtick is hogwash cos VAR was brought in to take this narrative away and award teams the decisions they actually deserve in real time and not wait in hope that things balance out. So can you put a time linne on when this will "even out" for LFC, then? Your logic here is flawed up and down the wazoo, mate. Just my opinion.
3.) 01 Oct 2023 20:56:15
The club can’t come out and say corruption. However, that statement goes as close to that line as the could.
The midweek trip to the UAE by some of the officials involved in Saturday’s game needs to be fully investigated.
How much were they paid to referee that game? How often do EPL refs officiate games in the UAE? Why would a league that is well down the pecking order in world football need to hire EPL refs?
If I’m getting 5x or 10x my normal fee for services, I will want to please those paying for it if I know it will mean additional work in the future.
Could that be the case in this situation? I don’t know. But it is not a good look.
The billions of $$ spent worldwide on tickets, TV, and streaming services by all the fans and we get this level of service? It’s disgraceful.
4.) 01 Oct 2023 20:59:18
Akira2 I disagree. If I made a mistake in my line of work that had the consequences this did I’d of killed someone and ended up in jail.
It might be football but the clubs are also employers playing for millions of pounds of prize money etc. the refs are employees and again paid handsomely for what they do. They make “mistakes” of this magnitude and it affects a mutli billion dollar company.
The results may not lead to death with someone making as mistake like my job can but it can lead to a club being relegated etc. there are consequences for every human error and this is no different.
5.) 01 Oct 2023 21:12:46
My opinion too Olired.
6.) 01 Oct 2023 21:15:29
Exactly, Centerpoint. What that football where these bros. doing down therein the UAE reffing game whereas they are fully aware that the govt. own Man City? No conflict of interest there, I guess. Just a bunch of lads on a jolly to the UAE to ref a game and get paid serious dough from a club's owners. Nothing to see here, I guess.
7.) 01 Oct 2023 21:25:53
Spot on centrepoint.
8.) 01 Oct 2023 21:34:46
One positive to take from yesterday is this team is starting to look a bit special, Spurs could be in with a chance of top four and I fully believe we'll finish above them now, even after the defeat.
I don't want to pile on with the ref talk because I think a lot of it has been rightly called out on here, but one incident that really stood out was the so called foul that lead to Salahs booking, for me that highlighted this was someting other than incompetence.
9.) 01 Oct 2023 22:49:14
I would of been tempted to take the players off the pitch in protest, no way these officials should get away with making an outcome in the favour they wanted.
10.) 01 Oct 2023 23:26:35
I've had my suspicions about the refs since last year but always assumed I was just being paranoid. Starting this year, I felt I was starting to see enough to voice those suspicions. What we saw this week and the evidence coming out is beyond belief, and in my opinion, there is little doubt left that there is blatant match fixing occuring the premiere league.
The truth about whether it was corruption or incompetence (if there's any chance of that left) will be whether they take action to correct the mistake. So let's see what happens.
Honest question, is there a recourse for the club or fans to demand an investigation?
11.) 02 Oct 2023 01:51:26
We’d have to go back multiple games but there are plenty of occasions we’ve received the rub of the green from ref/ VAR.
12.) 02 Oct 2023 05:21:46
There are no referees left in the english game. We have a bunch of inexperienced referees all across the board. This won't change overnight no matter how much we shout. Experience and common sense can't be taught. Let’s concentrate on what’s important and that is football.
You want to blame its ok. But calling it corruption without evidence is not Ok. Incompetence yes, inexperience yes . But there is no stupid conspiracy going on.
I humbly implore all fans to enjoy the football this season and keep away from inconsequential blabber. We can't change the decisions and too much such talk just effects the team.
Its going to be a brilliant season, let's just support the team 100% and keep away from negativity.
13.) 02 Oct 2023 09:13:05
@Akira, I don't agree to your logic, because at the end of the season, this may affect the outcome of where we would finish, for example say we finished a point below mancity, this game will come into reference, so that's just my take on the matter.
14.) 02 Oct 2023 09:35:04
Akira2, let it go, mate. You are asking people to ignore the very things they are seeing with their own eyes (in some cases, 4 eyes like me) and "just focus on the football". No, we will not "just focus on the football" while there is a clear and present dumpster fire ravaging the PL named "incompetent refs protected by the PGMOL making disasterous decisions". Okay, so that was a long one, lol.
On the contrary, you asking us to "just focus on football" is actually what the PGMOL want so this issue can go away. I hope it doesn't and the club ain't letting it go either. Therefore, you are free to " just focus on the football" while the rest of us multi-task. Peace and Love.
01 Oct 2023 19:26:40
Away from the farcical circus that was yesterday, how good are this team looking? Go down to 10 men, no problem, go down to nine and I still thought we could nick it. This team is going to do something special within the next 2 seasons, mentality is back. I think Klopp will use these poor decisions yesterday to fire up the team.
Spurs with 14 men couldn’t figure out how to beat us. 11 v 11 we would have hammered them. 10 v 11 I still think we win. 9 v 11 should have got the draw. Let’s use this as fuel to really go full throttle heavy metal football.
Klopp looks revitalised to ram it down these incompetent officials throats. Howard Webb and his henchman can’t stop this team I assure you no matter how badly they try!
1.) 01 Oct 2023 20:35:14
Hopefully klopp the klopp but these are the types of defeats that can be absolutely soul destroying, we need to bounce back against Brighton.
2.) 01 Oct 2023 21:00:14
We will bounce back in fully confident this only
Makes us better.
3.) 01 Oct 2023 21:30:40
That's exactly what i was thinking 10 minutes before reading this, we was 0-0 11v11 and creating plenty, 2-1 10v11 if you count diazs goal,
01 Oct 2023 08:38:17
Isn’t it strange how Liverpool have been on the receiving end of so many “wrong decisions” with var and refs since Howard Webb took charge of the head of referees. A Man United fan after all!
1.) 01 Oct 2023 08:46:19
I just read the Pgmol are being petitioned to release to audio for the decision. I hope it comes out.
2.) 01 Oct 2023 09:00:36
after those decisions, im done with football.
3.) 01 Oct 2023 09:14:43
They should. They've got to be accountable.
I've had time to think, I thought Diaz was onside, at the time and I haven't seen anything to change my mind. It was an unbelievable decision.
The Jones red: it was unintentional but very dangerous. It could be a red because he's gone over the ball. At the time, I thought yellow.
Jota: the first yellow was incorrect but the second stupid.
But what is getting missed because of all the other ridiculous decisions is the 'challenge' on Gomez. Gomez gets a touch before being taken out by the Spurs player. The Spurs MIGHT get a touch on the ball but he's already gone through Gomez. It wasn't thoroughly checked!
I'm not suggesting corruption and I don't know who would benefit from any corruption but it's gross incompetence and the officials definitely aim to cover each others' backs sometimes at the expense of getting the right decision.
VAR is not fit for purpose. I can live with mistakes in real time but not when people have the time to see a mistake.
4.) 01 Oct 2023 09:26:00
Okay, you can try to avoid using the word corruption because it's very heavy in implications. But there's a clear agenda driven set of actions, here. Especially, and specifically, the offside call.
They're killing the game. Taking all the enjoyment out of it. Bunch of incompetent crooks.
5.) 01 Oct 2023 09:39:19
Call me a conspiracy theorist, but if audio did come out, unless it’s been timestamped somehow, it won’t be the actual audio of what happened.
6.) 01 Oct 2023 09:43:04
Do man city ever get any decisions against them?
7.) 01 Oct 2023 10:03:28
@TopG, yes.
8.) 01 Oct 2023 12:56:13
@topg can’t remember one, usually in their favour insert Rodri handball.
14 Aug 2023 07:24:56
Lost out? We didn’t want to pay £50 mill so why would we match Chelsea’s £55 mill bid. He clearly wasn’t fancied so how have we “missed out” we didn’t have an acceptable bid accepted for him!
12 Aug 2023 22:32:04
A force? Under whos guidance? They have a manager known to be to lax with players he won’t develop them. And they have money for now. So did plenty other teams and look what happened.
12 Aug 2023 22:19:57
Chelsea are no different under bohley other than the new “long term” contracts. He will sack poch by Christmas being in another manager another whole new team of over priced players until he runs out of funds. His pockets are limitless and he will soon realises this.
12 Aug 2023 21:05:46
So it’s not that he wants to join Chelsea for any other reason than money…. 9 year contract yet one bad injury and his career could be over. Mercenary good luck getting him sold to real in 2 years.
11 Aug 2023 09:45:09
Thanks ed2 always the best when it comes to actual facts. I assume this means lavia is off the table now?
{Ed002's Note - I would think so.}
02 Nov 2023 18:30:49
Lol, I’m hindsight it may well be, but at the time it was a decent result against a team many expected to be doing well this season, while they expected us to struggle.
Just hilarious watching all the back tracking but I’m loving Liverpool 2.0!
01 Oct 2023 21:00:14
We will bounce back in fully confident this only
Makes us better.
01 Oct 2023 20:59:18
Akira2 I disagree. If I made a mistake in my line of work that had the consequences this did I’d of killed someone and ended up in jail.
It might be football but the clubs are also employers playing for millions of pounds of prize money etc. the refs are employees and again paid handsomely for what they do. They make “mistakes” of this magnitude and it affects a mutli billion dollar company.
The results may not lead to death with someone making as mistake like my job can but it can lead to a club being relegated etc. there are consequences for every human error and this is no different.
01 Sep 2023 08:46:33
Always love reading your positive messages about Utd shappy, but I have to disagree, Utd for me seem stuck not knowing what identity they want, and it’s been the same since Ferguson left.
I still think your 4/ 5 quality players from a proper title challenge. Your midfield is not full of energy. You’re looking to sign Amrabat who for me is not what you need.
You signed an unproven striker (“the next Halaand” apparently) with 6 goals all season. And I just think you still have to much old players who were never good enough for Utd still at Utd.
You just seem to be signing players who just aren’t quite good enough. You need a lb yet are signing the spurs outcast on loan. It’s not good business and I think UTD will struggle to make top 5 this season.
22 Aug 2023 20:32:30
Got to agree with ed25 what is the var officials there for, maybe the fa are finally realising that the officials are being found out as incompetent so will
Maybe lead to a change, oh sorry I was dreaming it’s just there all corrupt and couldn’t worm their way out this time.
{Ed025's Note - hard to argue with that KTK..