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17 Aug 2024 23:38:23
Ed002, it looks like gomez is on his way out of the club. Earlier in the summer he almost joined Newcastle in the Gordon deal and over the last few days there has been reports linking Liverpool with a move for Guimaraes. Do you think it would be possible to offer a similar deal as we did for Gordon? Gomez plus cash?
{Ed002's Note - No.}
1.) 18 Aug 2024 11:58:29
Talk I’ve heard is west ham are interested.
2.) 18 Aug 2024 18:09:54
Well they have been after Ma guire for years so Jogo is a step up from him.
22 Apr 2024 15:24:57
The usually reliable David Ornstein just said it looks unlikely Amorim ends up at Liverpool.
Back to the drawing board it is! Just please don’t be De Zerbi.
1.) 22 Apr 2024 15:32:13
It's Alonso. Just said he is staying to get press off his back.
2.) 22 Apr 2024 15:36:50
Hodgson coming home?
3.) 22 Apr 2024 15:42:48
Time for a punt on Rafa at 66/ 1 odds?
{Ed025's Note - terrible manager SR..
4.) 22 Apr 2024 15:47:38
that whole article was weird. a short article surprising us with the link the west ham and then just 1 sentence stating he is unlikely to be preferred at liverpool without any justification. I am not saying he is wrong, but it is confusing. Anyway, I hope we get the right person for the job.
5.) 22 Apr 2024 16:31:30
Got a bad feeling it will be De Zerbi. Hughes supposedly a big fan of his.
6.) 22 Apr 2024 16:37:53
The pool of talent out there is shallow, and that’s being generous, if it’s not Alonso or Amorim then the only other remotely acceptable option is Slot. Beyond that every other potential candidate is awful.
7.) 22 Apr 2024 17:02:14
Hope Hughes can keep his De Zerbi fanboyism to just that. De Zerbi would be an unmitigated disaster.
{Ed025's Note - same here VV..
8.) 22 Apr 2024 17:59:52
Mourhinio was at Fulham match just saying.
06 Dec 2023 10:18:00
Few rumours flying about that Klopp is leaning towards playing Trent solely in midfield. If that was the case, what would you do at right back? Bring Bradley into the team and hope he’s up to the task? Or look to buy a right back?
Not many right backs I can think of off the top of my head who would be available but did read somewhere that frimpong of Leverkusen has a release clause that activates in the summer.
1.) 06 Dec 2023 12:16:57
Gomez, initially at least.
2.) 06 Dec 2023 12:21:25
Bradley all day long looks a great little player already and deserves his chance. The lad couldn’t have done anymore than he’s done.
3.) 06 Dec 2023 12:28:48
Frimpong plays as a rwb and although is putting up attacking numbers, isn’t exactly solid at the back. I guess the question is there a better DM or RB on the market? I suspect RB is easier to source, but is Trent a sure thing as 6?
4.) 06 Dec 2023 12:53:52
From pre season I’d say his plan always Trent in midfield with Bradley at RB and then Bradley’s injury saw an end to that.
5.) 06 Dec 2023 14:19:28
If Matip is going to be out for a while I think Gomez might get a run at CB so it would have to be Bradley at RB.
6.) 06 Dec 2023 14:21:59
Not sure where Bradley is in his comeback. I'd certainly be looking to get him game time as he is the RB that fits our style better as RB I think.
But Gomez has been great so I would start him with Bradley getting Gametime in behind to impress (cup and sub appearances) . In any case Konate will get injured soon enough so there ll be Gametime for both. I know that sounds harsh but it will probably be true.
7.) 06 Dec 2023 14:33:39
Personally, I would rather give Bradley a run at right back over Gomez. Bradley has a good delivery whereas that’s not Gomez’s strength.
8.) 06 Dec 2023 14:59:38
Personally, I don't believe there is a plan to move Trent into midfield. I think Klopp (probably more so his coaches) are trying to create advantages in areas of the pitch. We started out with a full-blooded gegenpress (2015-2019), moved to playmaking/ advanced fullbacks with two high-intensity pressing no8s (2017-2020), uber-high lines and right sided overload with Trent starting to invert at times (2020-2022) and now to this press-baiting system which shifts between 433 and 3box3 by moving Trent about.
While I don't have a crystal ball, it wouldn't surprise me if we're just as likely to try and mould Bajcetic to mimic Trent's ability to switch between those positions than we are to move Trent into midfield and sign/ use a conventional rightback.
If we're going to make a good fist of this approach, we will need to ensure we have the centrebacks to play it well, consistently.
And we are not the only team doing this kind of stuff. Zinchenko inverts for Arsenal, Stones for City and Porro does it for Spurs. Whether it is a good idea or not - we will find out.
9.) 06 Dec 2023 18:05:46
What FPF said. If Trent moves into midfield we’re not going to get an attacking RB who bombs up the wing and puts crosses in, other wise we’d use Trent for that! We’ll get a defender who can defend.
10.) 06 Dec 2023 19:14:13
So much depends on the system. If Trent's going midfield full time there are plenty of fullbacks out there that do what Robertson does on the left side down the right. I don't really mind what formation we play just so long as it doesn't involve a fullback inverting. Of all the transitional positional systems used in years gone by and currently a fullback also being a central midfielder is up there with the worst. Said it before and will die on this hill - Trent is made to take Hendo's place on the right of the midfield 3. Only problem then is we have to many midfielders unless we go permanent back 3box3 which I would be in favour of.
11.) 06 Dec 2023 19:26:25
Play him in goal if it meant us winning all the time . Obviously I’m being sarcastic.
Point im trying to make is that I think Trent has now proved he can play anywhere and influence a game and il be honest I don’t think he’s as bad at defending as people make out I just think he tries harder in attack . So that’s one thing klopp must keep on top of if he is to stay at rb is that he puts in as much effort defensively as offensively.
I think he’s just quality and key to us and silverware in the near future ??.
12.) 07 Dec 2023 00:15:21
We also have Ramsay to come back after his loan spell. I think there's a cracking player there if he keeps his head down, stays humble and works hard.
13.) 07 Dec 2023 08:26:40
Klopp's given an interview that suggests Trent won't be moving into midfield at this point.
14.) 07 Dec 2023 08:49:05
@FPF, I believe Klopp himself, less than 48 hours ago said Trent would play wherever was best for Liverpool. What I read into that was that Trent would move between positions depending upon the team we were playing against and the strategy we would employ in each game - sometimes as a right back, sometimes inverted, sometimes not, sometimes in midfield, sometimes not. It seems that he isn’t going to be ‘pigeon holed ‘ as a player who plays in one position which I think is a really good approach as it enables us to make Trent as effective as possible but also adds another thing for our opposition to think about, whenever they have to try to figure out how we’re going to play.
15.) 08 Dec 2023 20:15:39
Ed1 - if OP is correct don’t have any sense whether we’d be moving Trent into 6? And therefore we’d not consider buying a 6? I’m ok with not buying and would hope we don’t if Trent does move to midfield as we’d suddenly have a stacked midfield again!
{Ed001's Note - I am not sure what you are asking here. Sorry.}
16.) 10 Dec 2023 01:38:48
Ed1 - sorry couple typos and a poorly phrased thought/ question from me lol
1- do you have any insight as to where Klopp would want Trent to play in midfield? Is it CDM?
2- if that is the case then I’m assuming that means we wouldn’t be in the market for a new CDM?
{Ed001's Note - as a deep lying playmaker, not a defensive midfielder as such. So it might not mean that at all, depends on whether he wants options for different games.}
16 Aug 2023 10:00:54
Ed002, seeing a lot of talk regarding Cheick Doucoure but nothing super reliable, are we interested?
{Ed002's Note - Cheick Doucoure (DM/CB) Has major language issues that need resolving in the coming months. Crystal Palace have told Monaco, who want him to replace Fofana, that he is not for sale. Only moved to Crystal Palace last summer convinced he would not get a move to PSG that he desired. Although they have added Ugarte, PSG are still looking for a versatile defensive oriented midfield player having decided Verratti can leave and CD is considered an option and was discussed during a meeting about another player. Attractive to Atletico Madrid due to the Cotonou Agreement as an alternative to Amrabat for them. Potentially on the list of options for Liverpool but I am not aware of any approach to Crystal Palace at this time. Language certificate for England not yet issued and deferred by Crystal Palace until January 2024. Crystal Palace will not want to sell unless someone will pay well over the odds for him. Thuram seen as a potential replacement.}
1.) 16 Aug 2023 11:48:58
How much is "pay well over the odds" for Palace to reconsider Ed? 60M to 80M?
{Ed002's Note - They will look for £70M knowing that their ideal replacement is probably not going to be possible.}
2.) 16 Aug 2023 11:59:37
Ex2 - did you mean Thurman is seen a replacement at crystal palace for CD?
{Ed002's Note - Yes.}
3.) 16 Aug 2023 12:13:35
Is this language problem that bad Ed? I've read that Nunez had the same problem last season. Has that problem lessen?
{Ed002's Note - I have no idea about Nunez but they need a language certificate, ideally within 12 months else within 3 years but that becomes a huge problem with oversight and reporting.}
4.) 16 Aug 2023 14:28:35
Surprised Bobby got away with this language certificate. Took him 10 years to manage an interview.
5.) 16 Aug 2023 14:55:03
They turned a blind eye for Bobby Red_Finance because of that none look goal.
6.) 16 Aug 2023 17:10:57
Ed002, why is language certificate important?
{Ed002's Note - It is a UK Government Home Office requirement and gels avoid folks coming in to live off the State or work illegally.}
7.) 16 Aug 2023 18:46:49
What do you make as Thuram as a DM ed anything i’ve seen from him makes me think he’d be so much better with a licence to carry the ball forward and play around the edge of the box rather than sitting in front of a defence.
{Ed002's Note - it is not really like that- he is versatile and would be a great addition in my view.
01 Aug 2023 14:06:49
According to fabrizio Romano, we have bid £42m for lavia, Southampton will reject the bid as they insist they will only accept £50m. It’s getting to the point where we either need to pay the money or look at other options. I get that we need to try and negotiate but when a team says they categorically will not accept lower than £50m, low balling is not going to work!
{Ed002's Note - From what they have said I understand that they will accept £48M but want £50M still.}
1.) 01 Aug 2023 14:17:36
And obviously Liverpool know this and continue to send lowball offers knowing they will be rejected. Time is of the essence, the season starts in less than 2 weeks and we are without a recognised number 6!
{Ed025's Note - spot on JK.. hi in
2.) 01 Aug 2023 14:20:11
According to some reports that 42m is with addons so likely under 40m initially but talks are ongoing still. must still believe a deal is possible.
3.) 01 Aug 2023 14:34:47
So we spent a week deciding to go in low when there’s loads of teams after him brilliant!
4.) 01 Aug 2023 14:36:11
Ed’s, any idea why we are so persistent to get involved in protracted negotiations? I thought it would be beneficial just to pay the £48m and get the lad integrated into the squad if we really want him. I am sure I read that he wanted to join so not sure all this messing around is doing anyone any good.
5.) 01 Aug 2023 14:36:17
After receiving 52m on Hendo and Fab, why is LFC still toying around? Do they not see Lavia valued at 50m? They should just move on and look at alternatives.
6.) 01 Aug 2023 15:09:45
It’ll be interesting to see what Lavia actually goes for if or when he is sold.
7.) 01 Aug 2023 14:59:03
Ed002 if they said they would accept £48m is that all in one go or with add ons, I see something on the internet that they wanted £40m and then add ons.
But I would rather listen to you rather that web crap. I don’t get how we bid what we did the other day then it takes nearly a week to up are bid by about £3m. We should have got this sorted out it’s not as if there is a massive gap In are bid and what they want. I under stand Chelsea and Brighton taking there time as they are starting a good bit apart but this is very poor from us considering the money just brought in for Henderson and Fabinho I bet with the saving on there two’s massive wages would nearly pay for his transfer over a 5 year contract.
{Ed002's Note - There is a reason they want £50M. I understand £48M might be acceptable and they are talking to others about their interest. The situation with Caicedo is very different.
8.) 01 Aug 2023 16:01:22
Ed002 yeah there was a £30m gap between Chelsea offer and the £100m Brighton want Ed but at least Chelsea upped there bid by an amount worth bidding are new bid was a total waste of everybody’s time.
9.) 01 Aug 2023 16:41:24
What about the money Chelsea have brought in?
10.) 01 Aug 2023 17:20:06
Really looking forward to the £44m bid next week!
11.) 01 Aug 2023 17:51:52
£42m is not low balling. You're talking about a kid with less than 30 Prem games in the bank, and in his most recent competitive game he played a blind pass across his own penalty area allowing Jota to stroll onto it and score.
Lavia is not worth £50m. I hope the club move on because we have better players at a similar age (Bajcetic) . We're not low balling anyone. Southampton are trying to rinse someone for what is currently an average Premier League midfielder with the potential to be good in 2 or 3 years. If he was a £50m midfielder Southampton wouldn't be in the Championship right now.
This would literally be like Liverpool asking £50m for Tyler Morton because he's looked alright in 10 games in the Prem/ Champions League, and 30 games in the Championship. It's crazy talk. Are we really that desperate for new signings that we're encouraging the club to sign a Lavia for £50m? Mac Allister helped Argentina to a World Cup, and Brighton to a top 7 finish and even he didn't cost that much. Take a step back and think about this for a moment before making throw away statements like "low balling".
{Ed025's Note - the original bid was nowhere near £42m MK..
12.) 01 Aug 2023 18:18:29
@MK it is low balling if the selling club say they have no intention of selling below £50m. You may not believe he is worth that much and fair enough but they do and they hold all the cards.
13.) 01 Aug 2023 18:16:42
Good Ed025, he's not worth anything like £42m. I have never understood the hype. He's decent for his age but he's not worth more than a World Cup winner because he had a good compilation on MNF analysis once. You see this every single year with a DM that has a decent game and Carra/ Neville nosh them off. Bissouma the year before wasn't it? Best player outside the big 6 they called him. Year before that everyone and his dog wanted Ndidi but Leicester actually kept hold of him and fat lot of good that's done them taking them to the Championship. Seen exactly the same with Kalvin Phillips as well (same summer as Bissouma i think) and then he was crucified publically by Pep after his City move for actually being an overweight training dummy.
It's always the same. Just media nonsense hyping up average Prem midfielders. So many clubs just seem desperate for the next Kante-esque gem but simple fact is that most of the time it is a one season wonder. They've pulled me in previously but I'm not buying into it anymore. Therefore spending mega bucks on a DM with one good season in the bank is just not something I'm going to jump behind. This year is just Lavia and Caicedo's turn for baseless hype.
We'd be wise to walk away if Southampton are living in complete and utter delusion.
{Ed025's Note - im not saying hes all that MK as i have not really seen much of him mate but liverpool obviously want him and know the price, i just think if you know the price they are looking for you have to at least be in the ballpark, if you dont think hes worth that then dont even bid..
14.) 01 Aug 2023 18:56:17
I sort of agree Ed025. But I'd liken it to selling a car. If you spend all summer asking for £5000 with no luck or concrete interest, and then somebody eventually rocks up offering £3700-4200 that gives you a decision to make. Some might just take it, others might not.
If Southampton want to hold firm on £50m then that is absolutely their perogative but i just think it's disingenuous to call it low balling. Surely not one person here actually watched Lavia square a pass to Jota and said "Yupp, that's the relegated kid i want to pay £50m for". Just because Southampton value him at that, means nothing. He's clearly not worth that to any interested party or a deal would've been done by now. On the flip side though, if Saints hold out until the end of the summer there is a chance buying clubs might become desperate and in my opinion, overpay. I simply hope that it isn't Liverpool who get desperate and overpay!
Having said all that the alternative seems to be a Brazilian lad I'd never heard of until Ed002 memtiomed him, so maybe we should just go with Trent in midfield and give up on a new DM because the market appears to have been wrecked by Rice going for £105m.
15.) 01 Aug 2023 20:05:19
So we sell a captain for 12 mill and Southampton want 50 mill for a player that could go tits up after a season walk away the lad worth 10 mill at most never mind what edd 25 says if clubs don't make a stand clubs in near future will be asked 200 mill for players like this lad . And edds 25 that is why your club are in such a state paying well over the odds for players that really should of resulted in your demotion .
{Ed025's Note - but it never Albey, despite the failings of our board and owner we are still top flight mate, because we are EVERTON, the pride of merseyside, knock us down if you wish but we always rise like a phoenix from the ashes.. :)
16.) 01 Aug 2023 20:37:25
City have a 20% sell on clause so £50m would get southampton 40m. Offer them a 44m loan fee and a obligation to buy for a tenner ??.
17.) 01 Aug 2023 20:40:35
Could the Lavia delay help with raising finances, the wage bill has been reduced, a few weeks of delay would raise the difference to what we are offering and Southampton want ?
Ed’s if you don’t mind, re AT, I’ve read that he is a DM but can play CM too, can you offer an opinion on this point please re AT a DM as pointed out above it’s Lavia or AT, but is AT more versatile?
Regarding AT settling in, Ali could help and the other South American players would too.
18.) 01 Aug 2023 20:42:52
Talking some sense there, MKS. Btw, clubs do this all the time but when LFC do it, it's a problem.
19.) 01 Aug 2023 20:40:35
Could the Lavia delay help with raising finances, the wage bill has been reduced, a few weeks of delay would raise the difference to what we are offering and Southampton want ?
Ed’s if you don’t mind, re AT, I’ve read that he is a DM but can play CM too, can you offer an opinion on this point please re AT a DM as pointed out above it’s Lavia or AT, but is AT more versatile?
Regarding AT settling in, Ali could help and the other South American players would too.
20.) 01 Aug 2023 21:26:53
Time to walk away I think. I like the look of Lavia, the HG factor plays a part as does City’s sell on clause but what Southampton are asking is to much. I’d leave the offer on the table and start looking at alternatives. Southampton will surely know now is the time to cash in.
21.) 01 Aug 2023 21:38:05
@Ed25’, point of order if I may - Everton are in the top flight, however, Everton themself are far from top flight ?.
{Ed025's Note - "form is temporary" WDW, agreed we are a sleeping giant and are in desperate need of some magic beans, but sooner or later as Arnie said..."we will be back" mate.. :)
22.) 01 Aug 2023 23:07:34
At last MK some sense. It seems that Liverpool fans just expect us to throw money around even when it’s not warranted just because a selling club says that’s what they want yet when we are holding out for a fee for one of our own players we are pricing them out of a move and blocking their progress!
If this kid is worth £50m and all of these other clubs really are interested then why hasn’t one of them just bid £50m and got a deal done? Maybe because they, like us, are not willing to have their pants pulled down by Southampton. At least we have tried to negotiate a more realistic price (which is still way over what I would consider the right price) . The other so called interested parties haven’t even done that!
Some fans just look for any reason they possibly can to castigate the club. We’re damned if we do and damned if we don’t.
23.) 01 Aug 2023 23:12:47
MK - I'm with you 100%. The idea that we should just bend over and pay 50mil for an unproven 19yr old just cos that's what the selling club says is ludicrous. And actually, I think the real issue is that people are allowing their anxiety to be dictated by things they can't control.
Now in saying all that, I am on board with signing the kid. I think he has great future and potential, but if we walk away because we can't find a happy compromise between our valuation and what Southampton would accept, then so be it.
24.) 02 Aug 2023 08:18:20
You couldn't make it up just reading this and ping now Saints want circa 60 mill for Lasagne, sod that put a bid in for Barella instead, definitely taking the pizza out of us Southampton.
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06 Dec 2024 12:05:40
Ed001, been a lot of talk on here and social media about forwards we could look at. Seeing names like Gyokeres but I don’t see any chance we pay that type of money that sporting would want. Isak is another player I am a big fan of but like Jota, he spends too much time injured. What do you think of Cunha at wolves? Every time I’ve watched him in the past 18 months or so, he’s looked a real handful and I don’t think he would cost as much as some of the other options out there.
{Ed001's Note - I like Cunha a lot. He would be the one I would look at if it was up to me.}
1.) 06 Dec 2024 13:51:35
I think it's a firmino type player we need up top. Before slot came I'm it was said he played with an out and out striker but that not the case with lfc, our striker has dropped quite deep a lot of the time. Unfortunately nunez nor jota not the best at that. Cunha always looks lively when I seen him play alrite, but does he not play off wing more so?
{Ed001's Note - no, he was initially used on the wing by Wolves, but now he is usually their central forward.}
2.) 06 Dec 2024 16:04:21
You Just had to do it Ed001 you just had to jinx any chance of Cunha joining us?.
{Ed001's Note - Hughes is in charge of signings, do you really think there was any chance of it happening?}
3.) 06 Dec 2024 17:21:19
OliEd told us below Hughes doesn’t have anything to do with signings.
#Edwars.
4.) 06 Dec 2024 18:16:56
For midfielder, actually Mario Lemina from Wolves not bad.
5.) 06 Dec 2024 18:36:19
Hughes doesn’t have anything to with transfers. Contracts. Liverpool. Football. Or Sport
He’s a contestant off Naked attraction that went to the wrong location, ended up at anfield, and never Left.
6.) 06 Dec 2024 21:11:53
Very true Ed001.
7.) 06 Dec 2024 21:13:33
Thanks digger10 it's always refreshing to see the word Firmino one of my modern day favourites
That goal against Everton in a crowded box he controlled a fired in ball with the outside of his foot and then a beautiful placed ball top righthand corner
. Pickford only saw the ball once it was back on the halfway line.
8.) 06 Dec 2024 21:20:45
Isn’t it Hughes for transfers, Ward for contracts, Edwards for buying the weekly shop from Morrisons and FSG to rake in the cash?
9.) 06 Dec 2024 22:11:02
JK23, clearly I was mistaken. Happy now?
10.) 07 Dec 2024 01:07:15
Digger10, that is one of the thing that start to give me more confidence on Slot. That he could be one the greats, on how he managed to adapt with the players at his disposal, instead of insisting on the same approaches he used to before Liverpool.
Correct me if Im wrong, but I saw few Amorim's lineups for United. The first game until recent, he seem to used 3 at the back, which was his fav when at Lisbon, but I don't think the current players at United fit that way.
11.) 07 Dec 2024 07:32:29
Hughes is the weakest link at the moment. Scarily out of his depth.
12.) 07 Dec 2024 08:51:59
@Hessle, and this is a serious question out of genuine interest. In what way is Hughes ‘scarily out of his depth’? We’ve played 21 games since he joined, won 18, drawn 2 and lost 1. What has he actually done, or not done that you think he should have done since he joined?
13.) 07 Dec 2024 10:13:36
Hughes is the new Pep Lijnders. We need someone to blame even though we are top of both leagues.
The transfer window is closed so what do fans want Hughes to do?
{Ed001's Note - why do you feel the need to make snide digs on posts? It is so tedious and you are just making every conversation nasty. Give it a rest please. Hughes messing up in the summer is nothing to do with the disaster of Lijnders. They are separate issues.}
14.) 07 Dec 2024 10:34:55
Well we definitely needed a midfielder WDW, that’s for sure. I’m not sure highlighting Slots success since he’s been here has anything to do with Hughes.
15.) 07 Dec 2024 11:21:53
Irish agree mate. On paper it shows we have quite a few midfielders but as the season is progressing it appears Slot isn’t keen on using Endo and Morton and all Elliot’s minutes have so far come on the wing.
So that’s 3 from the list.
16.) 07 Dec 2024 17:12:19
Ed001, it's not snide nor nasty. They are clearly opinions and there is no nastiness at all. It's not me with the strong negative feelings on Hughes and Lijnders on the forum.
And can you tell me how Hughes messed up the summer and how Lijnders was a disaster, please?
{Ed001's Note - you are snide, constantly. It is tedious how you attempt to shut down anyone with a different viewpoint. And please don't ask inane questions. If you are that dumb you don't understand then I am not wasting my time explaining it again for the 1000th time.}
17.) 07 Dec 2024 17:51:03
So you're shutting me down, Ed001?
Fair enough, mate.
I'm often accused of continuing discussions for too long rather than shutting people down but I respect your opinion.
Some posters might be prepared to explain how Hughes messed up and how Lijnders was a disaster though. But, again, it's down to personal choice whether they want to or not.
Thanks for your replies ?.
05 Dec 2024 12:35:47
Ed001, I’ve always backed Nunez because I believed he would eradicate the rashness and rawness from his finishing and we would have a world class player on our hands. He’s in his 3rd season now and he is just as rash now as the day we signed him. What would you do with him in the summer? Would you cut our losses and let him go? Or stick with him and hope slot can coach the rashness out of him?
If we were to let him go, who would be your ideal realistic replacement?
{Ed001's Note - I don't think I would worry about him in the summer, it would be Jota that would concern me. At least Nunez is available most of the time.}
1.) 05 Dec 2024 13:10:19
I like Nunez and I like Jota. But if I’m being honest and taking away my red tinted glasses then:
Jota’s availability is a huge concern and his hold up and link up play is not to the required standard.
Nunez has improved in his hold / link up play but for me he’s still below the standard.
He’s got good attributes but I’ve never ever seen what others do when they say he could be world class (that’s some level) or that he offers what Bobby does.
But I suppose we all see the game differently.
Both players get my full support when playing and will continue to do so.
But it seems like Darwin could get caught with his hand in the cookie jar and posters would argue it’s not his fault.
2.) 05 Dec 2024 13:22:15
Last night was Nunez's first bad performance of the season. He, along with 8-9 other players, was completely abysmal. There's been plenty of criticism about his finishing, however, he's scored 2 goals from an expected xG of 2.01 in the Premier League this season, he's scoring what's expected to be scored from him based on the chances presented to him. He's also not getting into those positions where he'd have those glaring misses anymore because he's dropping way deeper and getting involved in the build-up more and more, his role in the team has changed.
Realistically I don't think he'll be sold because I don't think the right/ best market exists for a sale. Ed001 is right, Jota is most likely the next player out the door and he certainly has the right agent (Jorge Mendes) to get him a good move to a top European team (I'd put money on PSG, especially if Kolo-Muani leaves)
3.) 05 Dec 2024 13:32:40
I've got to the point where I don't want the other players to pass to Nunez and I hope that the chances and loose balls in the box don't drop to him. Can't think of many players I've ever felt like that about at this level.
I get the frustrations with Jota's injury record but to suggest you rate a player (Nunez) higher than another player (Jota) simply because one is available more than the other is a crazy take at this level of football. If all we want from our players is availability and a good injury record, we should have kept Milner. Or alternatively just stick a fit and strong 18 year old up front. When you pay £70m for a striker, it's pretty desperate if the only positive comment is that he is always available. Nunez loses possession or hits his passes astray so often. And his finishing is abysmal. I feel sorry for him. The look on his face when he misses another chance; it's obvious he's really feeling it.
I really did believe that Nunez would set alight at some point and be a sensational player but I no longer have confidence. If we expect that the gap between us and the chasers will close and it could become another very tight title race, I just don't think we can afford to have a centre forward like this.
Right now, if Danns was fit I would play him down the middle rather than Nunez. I think the best chance Nunez has now is to have a run of matches as an impact sub and hope that he can come off the bench a few times, maybe under less pressure, and do something that re-ignites the player that was obviously in there previously.
4.) 05 Dec 2024 13:37:23
He should have scored 2 last night or at the very least hit the target. He’s rash, a headless chicken. He is also a forward so he should be contributing goals . I don’t need XG nonsense to see what’s in front of me.
5.) 05 Dec 2024 13:39:10
Most rational assessment of Darwin's season and the game I have ever read so far, @Tinker. Bravo sir.
Darwin had a bad performance overall BUT with the way some people are acting you would think, he made the mistake Kellerher made and he is not even getting the amount of crap Darwin's getting. Also, there were other players who were well average to poor in the game like Darwin was BUT hey, I guess we protect those we like and descend on those we don't like. The agendas are getting cringe at this point with the OTT stuff.
As for Jota, Ed01 is correct. The guy can't stay fit and this goes back years now with his muscle injuries especially. I thought availability was the best ability BUT I guess that does not apply to Darwin who is a fit as horse now, does it? Whether both are sold or not is another issue BUT I agree that there ain't no market for CF's to replace Darwin with these days and sorry, I'd rather keep him than signing a Boniface or Osihmen cos they are just wasteful as well.
6.) 05 Dec 2024 13:52:55
Get rid of both Nunez and Jota.
I've always liked Jota as an impact player but he can't do that if he isn't available.
And I'm with JK on Nunez. I think people are seeing things that are not there because of his transfer fee. We all have our opinions but there's no getting away from Klopp and Slot both dropping him and 22 goals in well over 2 seasons.
I like the lad but we need to cut our losses. We have a chance of giving the League title a real go this season and hoping that our number 9 develops some football intelligence is not going to help.
7.) 05 Dec 2024 14:03:43
If you look at Jota's availability, he always seems to miss the two most intensive and busy periods of the season - Nov-Jan and Mar-May. It's incredibly frustrating and I expect the club will look to move him on in the summer. He's a great finisher but how can you be missing for that long every season?
Re Darwin - he was horrible last night, along with Joey G. It was the first time this season it looked like he couldn't control a ball or find a team mate. Can't argue with that.
However, I think it harsh to say he missed two easy chances. The one where he was stretching and couldn't quite connect would have eluded most players. The left foot swipe later in the game was not good and summed up his game.
Bottom line is, until Mo and Lucho's futures are sorted, we can't really have any clarity on what we will do in the forward areas in the summer.
8.) 05 Dec 2024 14:53:58
Irish Rover tbf xG does tell you quite a lot about a player, using that in conjunction with shot volume and conversion rate you can get a sense of how a player is playing. Núñez has taken 21 shots, scored 2 goals, has a roughly 10% conversion rate and an xG of roughly 2. That should indicate that Núñez is taking shots from areas where he's not expected to score or is not getting into positions where he'd get high quality chances. Like it's been said his role in the team has changed. For that first chance that people are crucifying Núñez for, honestly I'm surprised nobody is hanging Gakpo out to dry, the man missed an open goal with that header and no pressure on him, yet there's nothing being said about it at all.
I know we've been linked with Marmoush but it'd take a chance on getting Jonathan David from Lille on a cut-price deal to freshen up the forward options.
9.) 05 Dec 2024 15:11:07
I haven't been on much last night and today and I come on to see people saying we need to cut our losses with x player (s) . We drew a game lol 2 draws 1 loss all season, we can't win them all -it happens. This doesn't warrant calling individuals out on a single performance and wishing they were out of the club. As the team have shown all season, it's a team effort. No point in throwing players under the bus. Some have good games others don't it happens to every player. Nunez usually has a great game, last night just wasn't his night.
What we do know about Nunez is finishing isn't his forte yet but when you have a player putting in everything he has got for your team all season I don't quite understand the negativity. It's not all about goals scored.
Who will it be after the next game? Support the team who have put us into first position in the country and in Europe. Nunez has mostly been part of that.
10.) 05 Dec 2024 15:26:33
Xg?
What happened to actually watching a player or a game of football.
You wonder how all these professional football clubs and coaches managed over the years before this scientific data sh##e came about.
We might not win the league or CL but we can have an open top bus of best Expected goals over a season.
11.) 05 Dec 2024 16:07:31
Give Danns some games, he’s a good finisher.
Not sure if he’s fit.
If Slot wants to cut losses on Nunez and Jota I wouldn’t bat an eyelid.
We can do a lot better.
{Ed001's Note - I would love to see Danns get a shot.}
12.) 05 Dec 2024 16:51:04
Danns would be very interesting, last week he made his first appearance (since injury) as a sub for an U21's game.
13.) 05 Dec 2024 17:04:57
XG? Good grief.
14.) 06 Dec 2024 13:49:10
I'd like to see Danns given some minutes too Ron - def a good finisher from what I have seen of him.
26 Nov 2024 11:01:28
Ed001, just saw a report that Liverpool are set to announce record losses of £90m+ for the past year. Do you think this is the reason the club are hesitant to handing out big contracts to Trent, VVD and Salah?
{Ed001's Note - finances is part of the reason, yes. The new regulations make it necessary to cut costs, which particularly includes the wage bill, which Edwards had raised far too high in his previous spell at the club. It has hampered the club's ability to operate in the transfer market as well.}
1.) 26 Nov 2024 12:44:45
Are the losses the cost of the new stand which I believe wouldn’t impact our investing powers?
{Ed001's Note - it no longer works like that.}
2.) 26 Nov 2024 16:28:04
I can understand the losses with the big expenditure in the summer of 2023 with no major sales and no Champions League football. Isn't the financial side of things guided by these newish UEFA regulations, something like only 70% of income can be spent on things like wages, agent fees and transfer fees.
Is it possible that we'd have to or need to sell someone in order to renew all 3 contracts?
{Ed001's Note - it is possible, that would be one way to deal with it. That would lower the overall wage bill as well.}
3.) 26 Nov 2024 16:55:11
Champions League money this season should hopefully help. You'd wonder who would they sell in order to free up some financial space. Endo would be an obvious candidate for me, maybe Jota? And I'd say there'd be interest in the likes of Luis Diaz.
{Ed001's Note - there is at least one keeper too many as well.}
15 Sep 2024 16:38:42
Ed001, what do you make of our striking options this season? I don’t think Nunez suits Slot’s system at all and I’d be very surprised if he’s still here next season. I also don’t think Jota and Gakpo are out and out number 9’s.
{Ed001's Note - Gakpo is better on the left and should play there if possible. Jota and Nunez will be fine if we improve our final ball, though I do think there is a very real possibility that we are looking for replacements. It is hard for either of them to do anything when the final pass into them has been so poor. Jota is barely even getting to touch the ball at the moment. The system is geared around getting them into the box, than getting them involved in the play. That is more suited to Jota than Nunez but it does require the rest of the team to actually supply quality into whoever is up front. That didn't happen against Forest.}
1.) 16 Sep 2024 00:11:11
I think Slot knows his best eleven and that doesn't include Nunez or Gakpo. It's good that Slot seems to know that so soon.
I'll be happy if Nunez scores a hundred League goals for us but I just can't see him doing it. Gakpo was a pre Hughes opportunistic buy and he looks like a jack of all trades master of none type player. I can't see him starting two hundred games for us.
We have six senior forward players but I wouldn't be surprised to see us sign another, or others, in the next couple of windows. One or more will leave as well, obviously.
2.) 16 Sep 2024 01:47:58
Rigsby - you rekon Slot thinks about a best XI? I'm not sure any managers in the world think this way.
3.) 16 Sep 2024 02:53:08
It’ll be interesting to see what happens (if anything) when Chiesa is up to speed.
4.) 16 Sep 2024 06:26:31
Faith, I think Slot does have a preference as to who his starting XI are as he has barely rotated the team for the past four games. I think the only change he made was to swap Konate with Quansah after the Ipswich match but other than that, the team selection has been very consistent. Still, the sample size is very small (just four games) so it will be interesting to see how he uses the squad in the upcoming months as we would need to play 2-3 games a week fairly often.
5.) 16 Sep 2024 06:57:31
I still think Nunez has a part to play and can be our first choice forward. As ed says there was zero delivery against Forest, something we did well in all games previous l but we reverted to last year's bore off passing for the sake of passing on Saturday. Ed025 says we need a battering ram sometimes, well at plus 6ft, rapid and strong as a bull I'd say Nunez can do that and more.
6.) 16 Sep 2024 07:22:51
Faith, yes.
I'm sure a lot of managers know their best or 'go to' eleven.
Players will be rested or changed depending on the opposition but they will know their strongest side, even if that changes throughout the season.
Slot has made one change to his starting line up in four games.
7.) 16 Sep 2024 08:48:03
Rigsby i agree with what you're saying and i think with everyone fit managers will always have that best (cup final/ league rival) starting 11 they will want to go too if everyone is fit.
Pep and Arteta certainly do. I think its just the amount of games that players play force rotation.
Heard Friday night that in Slots first 4 weeks of the season we have played 3 games and in the next 3 weeks of his season he will see us play 7 games. Which when looking at it that way makes zero sense from a fixtures point of view.
It is a small sample size and players will get opportunities to play themselves into said favored starting 11.
One thing I've noticed though is apart from Konate and Bradley at Ipswich our subs haven't really been impactful when coming on this season with Sat being the biggest sample size.
8.) 16 Sep 2024 10:11:11
JK, Slot, or any manager, won't pick his best eleven week in week out, even if he wanted to.
I think it's refreshing that he seems to know his own mind and team so soon. He doesn't appear to be influenced too much by what Klopp did and reputations.
Regarding subs, he does like to change his fullbacks. It's not as though they bomb on and assist goals like they used to either.
I don't think we have a lot of strength on the bench. We have plenty attacking options but there's only Salah that you could say has to play. That's why I like Jota as a sub; he can look dangerous when he comes on. I don't get the same feeling from Nunez and Gakpo.
In midfield, Endo and Jones are hardly game changers.
Elliott does offer a bit coming on up front or in midfield but he's not a player that can't be left out or that I'm expecting to win us a game just yet.
9.) 16 Sep 2024 10:59:17
Same old, same old - even under Klopp, whilst this team was absolutely brilliant at times, there were games the team just didn't turn up.
That happened against Forest, it's happened before, no doubt it will happen again - the true test for Slot will be if he can get the team to pick themselves up and go again.
As annoying as the result was, let's not kid ourselves, we've saw that exact same performance before - no point us wallowing and saying we should have bought x, y or z, those performances happen unfortunately - they just got to pick themselves up and do better.
10.) 16 Sep 2024 12:07:32
Rigsby i think Elliot offers far more in midfield than he does at RW but with Chiesa now in the squad i wouldn't be surprised to see Elliot's RW days behind him.
I agree on Jota looking good off the bench and i might be wrong but apart from Newcastle i can't really ever remember Nunez or Gakpo ever changing the game from the bench.
11.) 16 Sep 2024 13:54:31
A manager picks his best 11, based on the players he has available for selection, something that varies from game to game and week to week which we all know is not and exact science in both cases.
12.) 16 Sep 2024 14:36:45
Interesting then that Slot has only made 1 starting change from a possible 44 so far in his tenure.
13.) 16 Sep 2024 14:53:23
JK_RED, the guy has barely played this season. Give it time before you shoot your shot and if Slot does not want him, we will all be here to see it, eventually.
14.) 16 Sep 2024 15:23:30
Id agree with that Bill. I read a piece on the game that said we missed Klopp as he was known for his in game tactical tweaks and his subs always made a positive impact.
That was exactly what Klopp used to get criticised for! He made subs too late and had no plan B if plan A was not working!
Our subs did well last season but that was an outlier in his 9 year reign.
The game on Saturday was very similar to the Fulham game at home last season. The difference was we scored a few screamers that day and won the game but it quite easily could’ve gone the other way.
Like many have said performances like that are nothing new but 9 out of 10 times we just about have enough quality to scrape through. On Saturday we didn’t.
15 Aug 2024 08:27:41
Diaz’s dad piping up again about Barcelona, im absolutely sick of the man, get diaz gone ASAP! If he had any respect for the club he would tell his dad to keep his mouth shut. I know Gordon isn’t everybody’s cup of tea but at least he wants to play for the club!
1.) 15 Aug 2024 08:44:12
Jk red where have you seen this too mate. I can’t see anything online.
2.) 15 Aug 2024 08:48:17
Being healed accountable for your Dad’s actions seems a tad unfair. As long as he always gives 100% in training and in games (which so far he does), who gives a sh@t.
3.) 15 Aug 2024 08:55:38
I saw that image floating on Twitter. The problem is nobody is offering us €70 mill for Diaz. And unfortunately we are not forward planning on this position.
4.) 15 Aug 2024 09:23:33
In hindsight, if he wanted a move to Spain it probably wasn't a good idea to sign a 5 year deal in the North of England. He's contracted until 2027 and it looks like Barcelona aren't really that interested in him so he'll have to suck it up and prove next season why they should be interested in him if he wants the move so badly. Which will hopefully only be a good thing for us.
5.) 15 Aug 2024 09:37:06
I couldn't find anything new as well so my guess is that it's an old story that's making the rounds again.
6.) 15 Aug 2024 09:53:04
Get rid of a player because of rumours over something his Dad is saying?
What happened to free speech etc? Is that allowed everywhere else but not around LFC?
7.) 15 Aug 2024 10:14:17
Some of the Catalan papers have suggested that Barcelona want Diaz and have offered Liverpool a cash plus player deal, how true that is I don't know.
8.) 15 Aug 2024 10:24:14
Flash, I don't think people are trying to silence his Dad and suppress his right to free speech. I think it more the annoyance some people feel after everything the club did for him and his family, dad included and it could be taken as a sign of disrespect to the club. Also, it's likely his dad wouldn't be saying those things without his son's blessing or at least his son sharing the same thoughts.
9.) 15 Aug 2024 10:26:23
He wouldn’t get in Barcelona’ team. And to be honest he’s not in my first 11 for Liverpool either.
But do I want to sell him. No Chance! Because Hughes can’t get anyone in.
10.) 15 Aug 2024 10:52:09
No one said his father isn't allowed to say it flash. He is free to say what he wants but there are consequences. I think it is perfectly reasonable for fans not to like it and to want players who actually want to be at the club.
11.) 15 Aug 2024 11:49:21
Diaz could simply come out and crush all this nonsense dead. He has not done that till date so he’s prolly okay with his dad doing the work for him while he says in public that he is happy here.
12.) 15 Aug 2024 11:49:39
That's actually a really good point to be fair, Boogaloo. Freedom of speech isn't the same as freedom of consequence. Diaz's dad can say what he wants but if Diaz continues to use his Dad as a mouthpiece in the press, he can't really complain if some sections of the fan base turn on him. Especially when his current Premier league record since signing is 4 goals, 4 goals and 8 goals. Albeit the first year he joined in January and the second year he had a knee injury, but however you dress it up, he's not been good enough to be this ungrateful. Considering the support we gave him during his injury rehabilitation but also his parents being in serious danger, a bit of respect wouldn't go amiss.
I do think he'll stay though and I am optimistic he might have his best season yet for us, regardless of the noise. He's 27 now so coming into his prime and hopefully fully over the knee injury and the trauma of the kidnap situation. Barcelona can't easily afford him and don't seem that desperate to make a deal happen, and I can't imagine his family will be any happier in Saudi Arabia. So we should try and get behind the lad now, as hard as his Dad's comments are making it to do so.
13.) 15 Aug 2024 12:15:48
Of course there are consequences.
Some members on a banter site feel disrespected.
Move on.
14.) 15 Aug 2024 12:23:02
I’m not sure Diaz is using his dad as a mouthpiece. Respect for your elders is big in South America and so his father could be saying all this without Diaz being part of it.
15.) 15 Aug 2024 12:34:55
If Barcelona want him we'll take gavi plus cash ?.
16.) 15 Aug 2024 12:49:01
He didn't pipe up either. He was asked a question and answered it.
I would answer 'yes' if asked would I be happy for my son to play for Man United.
In fact it would be a 'dream' because he's rubbish at football ?.
17.) 15 Aug 2024 13:09:55
It's a bit like people saying we missed out on zubimendi and therefore FSG has no ambition.
Diaz dad makes some comments and therefore Luis is using his dad as his mouth piece and therefore he deserves kickback.
We obviously are far removed from it. but I feel like we've seen far worse sagas play out - Raheem, Suarez come to mind.
18.) 15 Aug 2024 13:24:24
So Diaz's dad is allowed to say what he wants but he has to be careful not to upset posters on this site that regularly slag Diaz and his father off?
And what are those "consequences" exactly if he does, posters will slag him some more? Yeah, that'll teach him.
I'm also not too sure about a father/ son relationship where the son controls everything the father says. I can tell you for sure what my old man would have said to me if I'd have been in the habit of telling him to curb his speech. And he'd have been correct too.
19.) 15 Aug 2024 14:50:55
I do also think we forget that most of these players don't think of the club and love it as us fans do. Yeah maybe he does owe us a bit more respect etc but at the end of the day he's living his life and guiding his career as he sees fit, nobody else matters but yourself in reality within modern society.
I'm contracted in my job, I still look for new ones every day the only difference is my arl fella isn't the one telling the world I fancy it elsewhere?
16 Aug 2023 17:17:14
Ed002, are we not allowed to have a joke on here anymore?
{Ed002's Note - Of course but all of this is demonstrating ignorance or stupidity. We have been through those who think the Saudi PIF are the secret owners of Chelsea, and the many, many fans who think Saudi Arabia is in Europe and we are now on to those that think Liverpool showed interest in and made offers for players before Chelsea.}
09 Aug 2023 23:39:23
@beckerspecker, not as embarrassing as us lowballing Southampton for weeks and then potentially losing out to Chelsea instead of just paying the extra few million!
01 Aug 2023 18:18:29
@MK it is low balling if the selling club say they have no intention of selling below £50m. You may not believe he is worth that much and fair enough but they do and they hold all the cards.
01 Aug 2023 17:20:06
Really looking forward to the £44m bid next week!
01 Aug 2023 14:17:36
And obviously Liverpool know this and continue to send lowball offers knowing they will be rejected. Time is of the essence, the season starts in less than 2 weeks and we are without a recognised number 6!
{Ed025's Note - spot on JK.. hi in
30 May 2024 10:36:50
Fair enough ed002. I saw on another post that you said Watkins’ agent has approached a handful of clubs including Liverpool. Do you know if liverpool are interested in taking it further?
{Ed002's Note - I don't know I am afraid.}
26 Apr 2024 13:58:09
This post isn’t me defending Trent either, he should do a lot better and put up more of a challenge. I was highlighting how ridiculous zonal marking is! If we man-marked at corners instead, Van Dijk or Konate are picking up Calvert Lewin and that goal doesn’t happen. Can anyone tell me the benefits of zonal marking? The cons definitely outweigh the pros for me!
23 Apr 2024 09:08:43
Thanks for the reply Ed001, I do agree aswell regarding Jones. He finally looked like he was nailing down his place in midfield earlier in the season but yet another injury has completely derailed his season and he has come back very rusty, back in his old habit of taking far too long on the ball and getting caught.
{Ed001's Note - it is a shame, I really want him to succeed but he has to stay fit.}
21 Mar 2024 11:16:11
@WDW trust me I get it, I’m just as sick as you are of talking about them, but it seems every single weekend there’s a big decision ruining games. It’s actually quite impressive how many decisions they get wrong with a million cameras covering every single angle of the pitch.
20 Mar 2024 16:46:10
WDW, not saying anything is surely worse? Just accepting it will only allow them to get away with it for longer.