Liverpool Banter Archive June 22 2016

22 Jun 2016 23:18:37
My two pennies worth.

Personally, I don't care who we sign as long as it's Klopp's choice. It seems to me as though a lot of Liverpool fans want it both ways. On one day they want Klopp to have control of signings, blasting the Transfer Committee for the previous failures in the transfer market, however when Klopp shows an interest in a player that some don't agree with suddenly a wave of criticism, with some even bringing the Transfer Committee. We know from one of the eds (I think 002) that Mane is a player that Klopp wants, that's fine by me.

It's a lot to ask, given the past couple of seasons, but I wish we'd have more consistent opinions on here, you either trust Klopp or you don't.

22 Jun 2016 23:55:17
But how do u know if the manger signs him or the transfer committee.

23 Jun 2016 00:21:42
The media have built a story involving the role of the transfer committee to exonerate the Nose, for some reason. Rodgers was on the committee as the Eds have said countless times.

23 Jun 2016 00:45:07
In the end it goes through klopp i believe.

23 Jun 2016 00:57:32
klopp himself has already said its him that makes the final decision why are people even questioning this.

unless maybe its a player for the youth team (u18s u21s etc. ), whatever we buy will be klopps decision.

23 Jun 2016 01:03:39
In any other business the input of several key people on the acquisition of a major asset (or indeed the hiring of key staff) would not be an issue. Why do we make it one in football? As long as players are not foisted on the manager.

23 Jun 2016 01:44:38
cos pro sport is in the public spotlight. we all need to blame someone!

{Ed002's Note - Klopp Out then.}

23 Jun 2016 02:07:21
I just think the honeymoon period is over, after the EL final loss there have been waves upon waves of negativity from the supporters. We got way ahead of ourselves and reality seems to be setting in, we still have a long way to go.

23 Jun 2016 02:19:16
Previously Rodgers, and after his appointment, Klopp has said that the final decision on any player that bought in will be the manager's. Blaming the TC (which includes the manager) is without any foundations as a result.

Matip, Karius and Grujic have been signed because Klopp wants them, and if Mane, Zielinski and Chilwell comes in, that will be because Klopp wants them.

While I can empathize with the frustration many feel regarding the types (and quality) of players being looked at and bought in, like the OP said, you either trust the manager or not with these decisions.

23 Jun 2016 06:46:52
Liverpool are awful at signing players. We've been awful since Souness was manager! I can think of only about 15 successful signings over the last 20 years, the rest of the good players have come through the ranks.

23 Jun 2016 07:42:51
15 in 20 years? Come on DBol 😄.

23 Jun 2016 08:00:38
I've been a supporter of Liverpool for about a decade. I can reel off more than 15 players just in that time frame!

Alonso, Garcia, Hyypia, Finnan, Riise, Henchoz, Reina, Kuyt, Mascherano, Benayoun, Torres, Agger, Lucas, Henderson, Suarez, Sterling, Coutinho, Sturridge, Firmino, Sakho etc.

You could even argue that players like Skrtel, Lallana, Clyne, Milner and Allen haven't been awful. Just not the required quality. Lallana and Clyne have shown flashes they could be good enough under Klopp.

Point is I just reeled 20 successful signings out off the top of my head just since I have been watching!

23 Jun 2016 08:31:36
DBol obviously doesn't regard Hamann, McAlister, Babbel, Berger or McAteer (off the top of my head) as successful signings 😄.

22 Jun 2016 22:24:48
It seems the Liverpool transfer comitee would be advised to stay off Twitter and avoid the local press. There will be lynchings afoot by what's been written. Mane not floating many people's boat it seems.

22 Jun 2016 20:58:26
Not liverpool related but c'mon you boys in green.

22 Jun 2016 22:02:56
Get in Robbie brady.

22 Jun 2016 22:15:35
Congratulations great to see you boys through.

22 Jun 2016 22:37:21
Cheers man now to take out the French we owe them after henrys hand ball.

22 Jun 2016 22:50:54
Im happy with that Farno, glad to avoid France and take on Wales.

22 Jun 2016 22:56:47
If the Republic of Ireland beat France does that mean, if England beat Iceland we will play each other?

22 Jun 2016 23:07:48
Brilliant result for you guys, well played. Italy aren't the team they used to be.

23 Jun 2016 09:28:34
Yeah considering they made 8 changes they would be slightly different to how they used to be. Well done to the lads tho, all you can do is try and beat what's in front of you and they did the job.

22 Jun 2016 20:38:04
Ed do you think the presence of Enrique being at Liverpool has hindered Moreno? He seems like a good lad, likes a laugh, probably doesn't push himself enough, or try to learn. Sounds a bit like Enrique, talented enough, but didn't listen, more worried about having a laugh and Instagram than getting better.
If you join a club and I'm not sure how many native spaniards we had around the first team squad (a few youth) but Enrique was the only one you could properly talk to, and be friends with at the start.

{Ed002's Note - Not at all.}

22 Jun 2016 18:54:04
Google 'Huddersfield Town forums Chilwell' and look at the posts started by a Leicester fan.

Click on the top link.

Forget your you tube glorified shabite and listen to real fans opinion of the lad.

Different league, but apparently he was head and shoulders above anyone, and at such a young age, sounds good enough for me.

{Ed001's Note - agreed, that is why I don't believe anyone who says the lad is not better than Moreno.}

22 Jun 2016 19:30:19
I am more happy to give any player a chance. Just a quick question to Ed1 though could you give us an insight to why Robinson didn't make a few years back, when he burst on the seen I thought we had a left bk for many years to come, was it his attitude?

{Ed001's Note - yes mate.}

22 Jun 2016 19:36:03
Agreed reminds me of gomez in terms of his composure and ability on the ball. We should pay the money for him its a no brainer.

22 Jun 2016 20:13:30
Eds/ Reds

If i could just ask regarding chilwell, If you had an idea how long the club had been looking at the player? And if to your knowledge it was Buvac or possibly Krawietz that identified him? Just curious thanks!

{Ed002's Note - I explained about the interest in Chilwell in December. It will likely have been someone from the existing scouting network that raised the initial interest in him.}

22 Jun 2016 20:40:48
To be fair I don't know enough to comment on the lad. But then I knew nothing about Rob Jones and he was brilliant. Still remember him keeping Giggs quiet on his debut.

22 Jun 2016 18:20:00
Well we were linked with dzussazk just a season or 2 ago don't know why it didn't happen.

22 Jun 2016 18:12:15
I'm more excited by the prospect of Chilwell than anyone we've been linked with.

Got a good feeling about this lad.

Hope we get him.

22 Jun 2016 17:55:12
Im personally getting bored of hearing that we are linked with a different player every day only to find that half the time it ends up being complete rubbish i'm pretty happy with what we have and already have coming in i don't see we don't keep markovic rather than buy mane n just carry on as we are signing 10 new players 4 silly money if wer going to spend big do it on 1 player who has quality an helps us move 4ward.

22 Jun 2016 18:15:52
Markovic is 22 years old and couldn't get a goal in Turkey.

He is not good enough for the Premier League. People need to let go of That one and admit that yet again Ed002 was correct. He should've stayed in Portugal for a few more years, and he wasn't worth a third of what we paid. Hence why Chelsea walked away!

We got stung. I'd rather give Kent and Ojo more chances than bring Lazar back to run into people again.

22 Jun 2016 18:55:21
Markovic played 14 games in the league
And a total of 830 minutes
10 starts and 4 sub appearances
And average of just under 60 minutes a game inbetween injuries.

22 Jun 2016 19:53:00
Ahhh so what your saying is he has now added being injury prone to his already glittering CV. I'm sold!

C'mon mate. Ojo had a similar amount of game time in half a season on loan at Wolves and got 3 goals a 4 assists despite being three years younger, playing in a worse team, and playing in a far more competitive league.

Markovic just isn't good enough. He isn't a bad player, but he is not a ready for Premier League football. Spending half a season on crutches will not have changed that.

22 Jun 2016 20:32:13
I agree I too would rather see ojo get game time but I just thought it was right that the goalless season was put into a bit of context for anyone reading through as it would be quite easy for anyone to think he played 30 or so games consistently which would really put Marko in a bad light for any fan reading especially as you tend to be quite fair and talk more sense than most on here. if markovic stays and gets another chance it wouldn't bother me but he would certainly be competing with ojo therefore if he does it wouldn't be fair if fans on the site were on his back immediately thinking he had a, much worse season in Turkey than he did.

22 Jun 2016 21:12:51
That's fair enough Starling. Just for the record I think Markovic is a talented young lad, but after a season wasted being played at right back by Brenda, and a season wasted in Turkey on an treatment table, I just don't see him being a step up from the player we signed 24 months ago, who wasn't good enough then either.

He needs a good couple of seasons playing regularly. We can't offer him that.

22 Jun 2016 17:26:15
You guys do realise that your rantings over mane and the dreaded transfer committee has made it onto the echo site. Keep it up.

22 Jun 2016 17:47:18
Regardless what 001 says, I think we as fans have a right to have a moan or say about how we think of players and values. This is a banter site.

Glad and hope it gets back to the club he is not wanted at £40m. £20m is the limit and then it's more then we should pay. Back Klopp yes, agree that Klopp should go for players he wants for his vision. But no, we shouldn't bend over for Saint to xxxx us again.

{Ed001's Note - you have a right to moan about a player you know about, but not from ignorance just for the sake of whining, which is what most of it has been lately. People whinging about Matip and Grujic yet have never seen either play, it is embarrassing.}

22 Jun 2016 20:45:45
Moaning about Matil and Grujic is ridiculous. Matip us very highly rated in Germany and is shrewd. As for Grujic, he's physically imposing, skillful and knows where the goal is.

22 Jun 2016 23:05:36
Some fans like to moan about players we've signed because they want world stars straight away. do you lot not remember the other unheard of players we've bought and become legends. hyppia and agger for instance.

22 Jun 2016 16:30:10
I'm just going to hope that Klopp has enquired about Mane to see what the price will be, southampton want £40 million, and we will leave it. Nobody in their right mind would pay that, klopp hasn't paid the money for teixeira and hector and has taken it on the chin as a manager should, why on earth would we pay so over the odds for him when we haven't done that under klopp thus far?

{Ed002's Note - You need to put aside the idea of Klopp enquiring with money in mind - that will not be the case.}

22 Jun 2016 18:43:55
Not klopp per se, i put it across wrong.

Managers have no influence in the money but klopp has been informed twice now of players that the club will not pay over the odds for, and hasn't moaned about it like brendan.

Why would the club feel the need to appease him over mane, a player who is more expensive and way more risky than teixeira and hector? He isn't even that good, he's just fast and inconsistent, he's no better than bloody walcott.

Not only that, going back to southampton and overpaying for players that don't make us any better is embarrassing and detrimental at this point. Maybe the scouts should pull their finger out and find the players southampton sign before they sign them, cutting out the need for an extra £30 million every time.

{Ed002's Note - I don't know where you are getting all of this from, the costs, appeasing Klopp, etc.. And what happened previously has no relevance at all.}

22 Jun 2016 15:50:25
Hi eds,

I haven't been on the page for a couple days so I may have missed something.

Has there been an announcement in relation to mane? Is his signing imminent? Or have we made a big etc?

This page has gone mane mad!

I know you will probs say read the posts but I have, there's about 10,000 posts with his name in the last 24hours!

And to add my 2pence to the debate I like him, he has pace and goals from out wide, something we currently lack. Yes he's inconsistent but that's where top managers earn their money. If klopp could get the best out of him then he would be one hell of a player.

Look at payet, inconsistent until 29! Then a manager got the best out of him.

{Ed002's Note - RTFP.}

22 Jun 2016 16:14:24
Knew you would say that 😂.

{Ed002's Note - It is hardly unreasonable.}

22 Jun 2016 16:53:53
I know. And i did, just so many posts with his name lol.

I will search properly when not at my desk at work

Thanks ed.

22 Jun 2016 17:09:01
Carra, no bid but where the rumours have started suggests Klopp is interested in Mane - that's about as far as it has got.

22 Jun 2016 17:23:45
Great thanks Hoola.

I for one trust klopp to get the best out of whoever he brings in. His transfer record at mainz and Dortmund is proof of that.

22 Jun 2016 17:42:35
Don't worry carragold by the end of the week we would have sold him at a drastic loss the way some people seem to know the future.

22 Jun 2016 15:07:40
Jasus I can feel the weight of negativity on this site! God help ye guys.

22 Jun 2016 13:39:47
I don't particularly agree with signing Mane. Mainly due to his attitude. Is think there are better options.

The argument over his price almost always comes back to one thing: Inconsistency.

Yeah, he went 18 games without a goal. It is worth adding though that most people on here think Coutinho is worth £60m.

Mane scored and created more league goals than Coutino last year.

People also conveniently forget that Coutinho went 10 games without scoring after his screamer in the first game of the season. When he returned with goals he bagged 4 in 3 games, then proceeded to go 4 months without a league goal. Yes, you could argue he only played 7 league games in that time due to niggling injuries, but the fact is he did nothing for 4 months.

Again, when he returned with the goals he got 3 in 5 games, and then went missing again scoring no goals in the final 5 games of the season despite making 4 appearances.

So if Coutinho is worth £60m in todays market, then Mane is definitely worth £40m. Get used to inflated fees guys!

There is also the argument that Mane could be disruptive with his attitude. True, but despite his attitude, he is always fit so the manager can consistently pick the same team. Coutinho on the other hand missed 7 games last season due to injury, and was dropped due to poor form OR being rested in another 4 games. If you think that being in and out of the side is not disruptive, you are kidding yourself.

Finally their is the old "Mane has poor discipline". You are right, he does. Yet believe it or not Coutinho actually missed more league games through suspension (1 game) than Mane last season. So it's not like Mane is forever banned! In fact he only missed 1 game last season through suspension, and that was a cup game.

I am in no way suggesting Mane is better than Coutinho. I think Couts has a better all round game and is indeed the better player.

However ultimately, both players are inconsistent, both players disrupt the team, and both players play the same position (wide forward) . They are even the same age. Yet despite his superior goal return, Mane is still somehow £20m cheaper!

Double standards comes to mind. You can't demand £60m for Coutinho, and then baulk at the £40m price tag on Mane's head.

22 Jun 2016 14:00:24
Another thing worth adding on Mane's inconsistency; most of the games he went without scoring were in central positions either playing as a no.10 or a striker. In 16 games in the centre he got just 2 goals and 2 assists. In contrast, in 27 games as a left/ right winger he scored 13 goals and assisted 7.

Basically, out wide he is a constant threat, but in the centre he just goes missing.

As Einstein once said, "If you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree then it will live it's whole life thinking it is a failure". Or words to that effect!

22 Jun 2016 14:18:09
Does Coutinho "disrupt the team"?

I literally did not know that, I thought he was a quiet professional lad.

22 Jun 2016 14:25:10
The guy is trouble on and off the pitch especially. We need to move on or we will be left with a trainer wreck like Benteke, Balotelli, Carroll, Downing and the list goes on.

22 Jun 2016 14:34:42
I think Adam meant it in a "in/ out of the team due to injuries and/ or suspension" disruptive.
Though tells my people you want to leave if you don't get what you want, could also be seen as disruptive.

22 Jun 2016 15:04:41
*though telling people* that should say.

22 Jun 2016 15:55:15
Except coutinho didn't cost us £40m so moot point really. If we where perhaps buying coutinho then you could say something like that but why should we, Liverpool football club spend £40m on an inconsistent player when we paid £8.5m for one. For £40m you can get a lot better than mane there's no question of that. It's like making him out to be the only winger in the world. Benteke was a terrible deal at £32.5m this smells of something similar. Mane is a decent player but at £40m you got to be smacking crack to be trying to justify that. Plus coutinho isn't distruptive to the squad at all.

If we can get mane to the club for around £20-25m then fair enough that is the going rate for players of his calibre but £30-40m is taking advantage of our horribly run recruitment team.

22 Jun 2016 16:12:13
Kman, but isn't this Klopps buy, or as the Eds say doesn't the manager have the last say?
If that is the case then are you implying Klopp is making the huge mistake.

22 Jun 2016 12:05:08
The worrying thing for me is that Everton will buy better players than we do and if that does happen then it really will show how much trouble we are in and how bad our transfer commitee really is, as I've said if everton buy better players than us then we are in trouble, only the summer transfer window will tell us, you won't see them going for S. Mane'even though their new manager has managed him.

{Ed002's Note - Why are you blaming the transfer committee for (a) players Klopp wants, and (b) whatever happens at Everton?}

22 Jun 2016 12:26:31
Coming on here you'd actually think that We have the worst team in the league and only when we have paid 500 million pounds to replace every player in. The team from someone from Europe who is good in Fifa only then can wr perhaps have a chance of finishing in the top four. If football was decided by the quality only then City should have won thr last five leagues. And now people are turning on klopp who hasn'teven hada preseason.
And what part of transfer window not open do people not understand? I think the club should just forfeit their name from the league cause we're obviously finishing 8th or below. I have now been convinced to thrown in the towel for the season.

22 Jun 2016 12:33:28
I really don't get the negativity towards Sadio Mane, ok he has a reputation with his attitude, but he is still young and has a lot to learn (Klopp can help with this) . But we are looking for a winger and last season Mane contributed to 18 league goals (scoring 11 and assisting 7) that's as good as anyone we currently have (Milner being around the same) . Considering he is a inconsistent player and still contributed to 18 goals says a lot about his talent. We need pace and players who aren't scared to go forward without slowing play (a. k. a lallana) . I don't believe he is worth £40m but half the prices nowadays are ridiculous! If Klopp can get a inconsistent winger who scores and assists better than anyone else we have to fire on all cylinders all your tunes will change!

22 Jun 2016 13:11:57
I really don't get why people are slagging off a Southampton player. isn't this the Liverpool page or did i miss an official press release?

22 Jun 2016 13:19:18
To be fair, Saints are our feeder club.

22 Jun 2016 14:06:59
Alex, make up your mind. On one hand, u say Mane isn't worth the money, is inconsistent and his attitude stinks yet on the other hand, you don't understand the grief he's getting. You just made that point. Bottom line is that Mane has all the talent to be great but his attitude stinks, is a cancer in the dressing room, is late to meetings and the lot. He scored 11 goals yes but you failed to mention that he did not score a goal in the first half of the season, a full EIGHTEEN games. These are the reasons why he's getting the grief and he deserves all it. We need players who will come in and get us going. We don't need proven inconsistent cancers and poisons who will come in here and start a raucous. We are done with his type. Suarez was like that but at least he gave his all on the pitch.

22 Jun 2016 15:45:30
redohio i believe i covered all of this in my comment. My point is if a player who is inconsistent and didn't score for half a season can still contribute to 18 goals just in the second half of the season, imagine what Klopp could do with him. Consistency and attitude can change given the right motivation/ leadership, just look at the change from half the players in our squad already. Klopp knows the type of player he needs to make his game plan work, just give him time.

22 Jun 2016 13:53:35
Everton will sign better players? Didn't know you could tell the future! Can I get tonight's Lotto numbers?

22 Jun 2016 11:50:27
I was made up when Klopp joined us as i thought he would get some good players in but the players he has bought up to now are at the most mediocre players, they are not top players plus they are all defensive type players, i really thought we would get very good players to help and improve our team so we could have a right go at the top 4 at least but looking at todays rumours like Chilwell (another defensive player ) and Man'e for a fee of around £40m, this shows that the transfer commitee as not learned from previous transfers, but what makes it even worse the TC seems to be tying Klopps hands behind his back and from what i've read in the liverpool echo it looks like Everton will be buying the type of players we should be going for, i'm not interested in marquee signings just good players that will improve our team and i don't think Man'e is an improvement on what we have, we have Markovic and to be hoest he has not had enough games for us for any of us to make a judgement on him, at least a lot of people in the know have said he has the potential to be a really top player and the way to bring that potential out is by him getting game time, i'm sure there's players out there that will improve our team and won't cost over £20 mill, look at Payet and Mahrez, why did'nt we buy them instead of the likes of lallana or any other player we have paid over £20 mill for it shows the TC does not have a clue about who to buy and our scouts must be watching with their eyes closed, the scouting system need an overhaul and the transfer commitee needs to be dropped because to be honest they have not brought anyone that good in, but they won't go without a fight as they will be getting paid to buy these flops, let's hope Klopp does have a few players he wants to sign that are not defensive type players and that will take the team to a higher level, if west ham can buy players like Payet then we should be able to do the same.

{Ed002's Note - The transfer committee are not constraining Klopp at all. What is happening right now is his doing - but at least give him some time - particularly given the transfer window isn't even open.}

22 Jun 2016 12:55:57
Are you referring to the article which states the new owner is looking to make a 'marquee' signing as a statement of intent? Or was the players name Marquee. I forget now. I'm just thankful you were never interviewed for the transfer committee or then we would be in trouble.

22 Jun 2016 12:56:52
Doubter 😩.

22 Jun 2016 13:08:47
"Everton are buying the players we should be going for", WTF are you talking about? Who have they signed? Only that I recognise your name at the end of your post I'd have thought this tripe was being put up by a man or a twisted as a wind up!

The players brought in by klopp are good enough for him so there good enough for me, "all defensive type players", of course they f###in are, our defence is s###e and that is exactly were his priorities should be, I'm hoping that next in is a left back.

Your embarrassing yourself with this post, get behind probably the best manager we have had in the last 20 years because we're are lucky to have him. #INJURGENITRUST.

22 Jun 2016 13:22:57
So Karius, Matip and Grujic are mediocre? How many times have you watched them play to make this "informed" decision? You mention Chilwell and then say " (another defensive option) " as if that's not what we need. A lb is exactly what we need and yet since you haven't heard of him before he's been linked he's not good enough either.
These players haven't played a game for us yet, but you seem to think you it's okay for you to slate them, and not just that but we should sack our scouts because they've suggested players who you've never seen play so they definitely not good enough.

Sorry but I think I'll trust Klopp who has a proven record of excellence in the transfer market ahead of someone who complains of these unknown signings who aren't good enough, yet in the same post complains the transfer committee doesn't know what it's doing because they didn't try sign Mahrez, an unknown. Clueless doesn't even begin to cut it.

22 Jun 2016 13:43:28
Klopp isn't afraid to spend big for the right player. Didn't he make a £30m bid in January for that Brazilian lad that went to China in the end?

22 Jun 2016 14:29:06
Mbrock, your post is as incoherent as it is embarrassing.

22 Jun 2016 14:53:07
Post like this make me feel ashamed to be called a fan in the same word as you. Calling players med when you haven't even seen a pre season out off yet and most likely did not see them play before we signed them. You judging players on their price, then slate the owners if it's low and the tc if it's high.

Why all the moaning, I get it your life may be shite so you can moan about that but do not bring your crap to our great club and bring a bad name on us all. Go to the euros and fight like the other scum.

I love klopp and still get excited seeing him in red. If he needs five years give him six, trust in him and he will repay that trust. In lookout we trust.

22 Jun 2016 11:19:00
It's a big irony, Lallana and Mane would cost the club close to £60 million in just transfer fees. Analysing them, how many goals would they score between them?
Lallana might hit a mighty 3-5 goals a season, while Mane would definitely miss more games without scoring than Sterling at City.

With Brendan gone 8 months ago, I am struggling to blame the transfer on a shoulder. Klopp is untouchable and the committee has no influence on some of the transfers at least.

Zielinski, Chilwell and Mane. A direct jump from 8th to 4th a minimum.

I need a yoga to stay positive for another year.

22 Jun 2016 11:20:36
Committee wouldn't pay over £30m for Texeira
Seeing as this is Southampton I can see them willing to pay up to £50m
Mane did have a good 45 mins against is that normally is enough to convince the committee.

22 Jun 2016 11:49:43
Wouldn't it be easier for Liverpool and Southampton to swap names and locations at this point?

22 Jun 2016 10:43:34
Is mane really a 30+ million player? Glad the Liverpool transfer committee are learning from past mistakes. Benteke markovic Carroll lovren mignolet caulker to name a few. Lucas Moura is surely the better option. I take back everything I said about Rodgers now, he wasn't the problem. With other clubs after big names we are going to end up further behind again. Be lucky to finish in the top 8 at this rate.

22 Jun 2016 11:09:17
We haven't even signed him yet, and I highly doubt Moura is going to join us from a club that wins the league and is in the champions league every year. The season hasn't started yet and the transfer window hasn't even opened, so enough of the complaining and just trust in Klopp.

22 Jun 2016 11:16:19
Its a major problem. Where buying a player who didn't have a staring role in a team that finished 6th.

How is he going to improve us that vastly.

How much can he contribute that we don't. already have.

We should buy players and even if its one that is just that much better than what we have. Apart from all the rest last year we would of been fine with just firmino.

He was a class above what we have and clearly imprbed us. It might take a while but one absolute top player each year is what we should be after.

If its deemed we need a rw more than anything else go and get the very best we can even if its 40/ 50 mil and if there is other positions fill them in with kids and maybe a loan or free.

Dont split a lower bysget already around 5 and 6 players because we will. never improve.

Everyone say this and that ahiut singings not coming and forget that money talks.

Could Dortmund, Wolfsburg or lever really reject bids of 35/ 40/ 45/ 50 million for reus, brandt or braxler? Before any questions that wr clearly have that to spend this summer. 5mil karius, 7/ 10 chilwell, 10 zielinski and 25/ 30 mane. You can already see us splitting it uo to get all the positions we want covering. Instead why not get a lb on loan, use branno and get the best possible for the wings.

There example but why don't we see what they would do with a huge bid.

Ozil to arsenal looked dafr but now they've signed xhaka, cech and Sanchez around that its looking like a master stroke.

Go and get the very best there is for what we need.

Mane isn't that. He's another good player that wr already have in a bundance.

We need elite players now. Game changers, x factors.

22 Jun 2016 12:01:16
yipster9999

how can you make jusdgement on Markovic, to be honest he has not played enough games in his proper position for any liverpool fan to judge him unless you can see the future, i want klopp to give ~Markovic a run of games then we can jusdge him but up to now he has not had a run of games for US until then give him the benefit, also did you not see Lovren improve this season under klopps management because i did and a lot of red fans I've spoken to have said the same, because towards the end of the season our main CB pairing was Lovren and Sakho and they played very good together and we were hard to beat it was only when these 2 were not playing together that we looked shaky in defence, you must have missed all this.

22 Jun 2016 13:13:12
Markovic hasn't even performed in the Turkish league. Sadly, he's not good enough bad never was. Hence why Chelsea never went for him and why he is only gathering interest from Turkey.

22 Jun 2016 13:22:02
If troy deeney is then yes!

22 Jun 2016 14:40:43
Not convinced we're at a stage of just being able to go for one big signing, what with a new manager in and not having European football, but it's something we should be aiming for when we're in a better position!

22 Jun 2016 09:55:06
Please for gods sake tell us eds that the club will not pay over the odds for mane. Won't pay 20 million for hector but will pay 40 million for mane? Not saying either of those are acceptable prices btw but mane is surely ten times more ridiculous than hector.

{Ed002's Note - I suspect the owners will pander to any request from Klopp if he wants Mane enough. This could be the marquee signing for this season - we'll see.}

22 Jun 2016 10:39:39
Lol god marquee signing been mane. I'd rather not have a marquee signing but there you go. That's it. I'm shutting up about it because its annoying me.

22 Jun 2016 10:42:52
It's very clear that the problem runs deeper than the manager. Everybody thought with klopp coming in everything would be rosy, it's exactly the same!

22 Jun 2016 13:16:01
Crybabies.

22 Jun 2016 08:15:30
If these rumours are true that Leicester have rejected a £7m offer for Chilwell, a player that had less game time than Jerome Sinclair having onay played in two cup games then we need to tell them to pi$$ off. I woul give them that for Fuchs maybe, but a young kid, they're having a laugh.

22 Jun 2016 08:44:11
He could be our new Ilori.

22 Jun 2016 09:25:40
I dunno mate, he's highly rated and someone thinks he's worth that much.
Remember all the stories of how we could have got delle Ali for a few mil, Ronaldo for a few mil etc.
his value could sky rocket if he really is as good as they say, but more importantly it gives us an option at left back that isn't Moreno an for me that's worth a lot more than £7m lol.

22 Jun 2016 09:26:23
Chilwell is the missing piece of the jigsaw.

He IS the messiah.

22 Jun 2016 09:54:28
I somewhat tend to agree with you about it been too much but can also see where your coming from Mikey. Its probably a worthwhile deal. Providing its not a ridiculous amount of dosh.

22 Jun 2016 10:22:14
He's not the messiah he's just a very naughty boy 😂.

22 Jun 2016 10:51:58
Chilwell is their best young player by far. The pride of their academy having won Academy player of the year award numerous times.

We are about 7 places behind Leicester. Imagine if a team that far behind us (say, Crystal Palace) bid £7m for Sheyi Ojo. Would you accept that offer?

They value Chilwell at £10m because they can see he is their brightest prospect. We either pay their asking price or just accept that clubs don't sell their best young players for a pittance.

22 Jun 2016 11:25:42
If he's that good and that we'll thought of then why only 2 cup games? He only had one good half against Spurs second string out of them 2 games. He has NO league experience, makes less and less sense every time I think about it. I would rather use Flanno and save the money. Keep the money, sell Moreno buy Hector and there's the missing piece of the puzzle right there.

22 Jun 2016 11:32:13
We sold Sinclair who was a bright prospect and with PL experience for £4m who was an attacking player which generally attract significantly higher prices. MKSCOUSER I don't blame them wanting as much money as possible but we don't have to be stupid enough to pay it. I have seen him play twice and saw nothing to say he was that bright a prospect and cannot see him challenging Moreno for at least two seasons. He's just not PL ready which is why he ain't featured for Leicester so missing key? Not for a while yet.

22 Jun 2016 14:21:56
Mk you said it all mate.

21 Jun 2016 22:52:28
Any chance of us going back in for Alex Teixera? Or is that water under the bridge.

22 Jun 2016 02:19:01
Its gone mate never going to happen.

22 Jun 2016 06:30:16
Actually i see Klopp wanting to sign AM who provide that penetrative runs and goal scoring from midfield like Goetze and Texeira. Hope we can get Texeira if he seek of eating spicy hot pot. Goetze deal as pointed by Eds and Macca isn't too dead too.

22 Jun 2016 08:43:27
Alex Teixiera could have won us the EL and League cup without a shadow of doubt. With him we could have been closer to Top 3 last season. He was a goal scoring machine at Shakthar.

22 Jun 2016 00:36:56
Tonight I have seen a lot of reports about Mane joining us. let's not go on about figures but number 1 he's not worth anywhere near what is been said.

number 2 can someone please point out to me why we should sign him? please because i must be missing something, this kid shouldn't ever have a Liverpool shirt on, never was worthy never will be. it's not about his football (lets be honest he's not exactly world class is he) its him as a person, we don;t need people like that in our squad. i'd rather have gotze and that's saying something, i don't even want him.

The more i hear about it the more I believe it's going to happen and I don't like the idea one bit. but there you go, what can we do.

22 Jun 2016 04:04:53
Speed and great 1v1 ability. Which will give significant space to studge, couts, etc. think of how origis pace this year just opened up games. He also clearly has goals in him. 40mil is way too expensive, but if Klopp thinks he can adjust his attitude and we can get a fair price, I wouldn't be upset. I'd rather him than another CAM/ CM which we are flooded with.

22 Jun 2016 05:02:34
Oh please NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO! Let Us learn from past mistakes not repeat them. I wouldn't have Sadio Mane around anfield for 10Mill. HE PLAYED WELL FOR THREE GAMES IN THE SEASON, TWO OF THEM WERE AGAINST US (arguably the most vulnerable defence in EPL) .

22 Jun 2016 05:13:00
Has bags of talent wich is obviously there for everyone to see but the prices being thrown around are way over the top. if we get him for 15/ 20m I think it could be a good bit of business. He's young and does stupid things but klopp hopefully can turn him into a top top player. Klopp must see something really good in him if he spends big so I'll trust his gudgment he's proven in the past he bows what he's looking for. ynwa.

22 Jun 2016 06:28:39
Ojo is better.

22 Jun 2016 08:44:05
Let's not be silly Ron.

22 Jun 2016 09:13:01
Mane got goals in him and his pace will help a lot . We lack pace this year and I like lallana but he's not going to score 10+ goals like mane.

22 Jun 2016 09:26:22
Ojo is certainly not worse. But has potential to be better. a lot better, give the lad a chance and he'll shine.

22 Jun 2016 11:30:37
Why don't we try this approach. Look at the player that we want for Southampton, declare our interwdr and then wait for them to go after his replacement and get him instead because they always seem to do better than there predecessor. Lallana/ mane, lovren/ alderwierld/, lambert/ pelle, shaw/ betrand.

Surely there is a fast winger our there that wr can get without spending 30/ 40 million. Much rather wait for markovic to return and see how he fairs for us, ot give ibe another season. Is mane that much better that what we have. The answers now nd unless that player becomes avaliabkw then wr should steer clear.

22 Jun 2016 04:55:47
He is not even worth £20 mill let alone. Southampton will laugh at us if we offer that kind of sum. They ll easily replace him just like they replaced their other players.