Liverpool Banter Archive August 23 2016

23 Aug 2016 22:07:41
Loved the game only because we won (handsomely) but the defence was not tested in the least. So my opinion on Matip is still out with the jury.

23 Aug 2016 22:35:43
I think he looked really comfortable on the ball, and always looked to take the ball forward or play a key pass rather than across the back four constantly. Which is a good sign.

24 Aug 2016 01:20:54
He was telling players in front of him where to be. He looks class.

24 Aug 2016 07:55:54
All that good as it is, is the job of a midfielder. His is to stop an onslaught like we saw at Arsenal. His confidence shone through, but we were almost perpetually pressing - playing a very high line. I want to see, he and Matip or Ragnar's partnership when under bombardment. Klopp needs to stick to a partnership here for communication was (is) the bane of our defence.

24 Aug 2016 08:41:47
So you're saying he shouldn't help others with positional advice? That should always the gk/ cb job as they can see more of the pitch clearly in front of them. One of the things we've missed since carra is a cb who understands this and tells others where they should be!

23 Aug 2016 21:44:52
Great performance from the lads. Winning is a habit so it's good to bounce back straight away. Regardless of opposition you can only beat what's in front of you and 2 years ago we needed deflected 30 yard shots from Coutinho to get past the likes of Bolton. Very professional result.

Also want to give some shout outs to a few ex reds. Firstly, well done to Canos for his two goals in Norwichs 6-1, and secondly congrats to Crouch for getting a hat trick in Stokes 4-0 win (2 of his goals were created by Joe Allen as well) .

Good night all!

23 Aug 2016 19:33:18
I would like to wish Big Ben all the best tonight, as he makes his debut, hope he scores .

23 Aug 2016 20:22:32
Class post!

23 Aug 2016 18:59:19
Genuinely think the team we have out could be our strongest, bar Karius. Matip and klavan I haven't seen enough of to judge, but you'd like to think he was bought to be first choice. Origi offers something different, and I think he's our most consistently dangerous striker, and can is back! I think Sturridges days may be numbered, he's our best goalscorer but I think he's lost his pace, almost played like a false nine vs Burnley when we really needed someone to get a goal in the box. Origi will run channels but will be in the box for crosses and runs in behind. We should smash them if we get up for it, something tells me we might not though.

23 Aug 2016 19:10:54
Coutinho.

23 Aug 2016 19:14:41
I have no idea why isn't any of our striker starting. Perfect game to start, score some goals and get into some form and momentum. What is the obsession on Lallaba I don't get it.

23 Aug 2016 19:19:23
What are you on about Origi is starting last time I checked he is a striker.

23 Aug 2016 19:36:57
Peace man, Origi is playing, and for me, he is our best striker, and will be for a long time .

23 Aug 2016 19:38:22
Yes I forgot coutinho, him over lallana!

23 Aug 2016 19:39:09
Karius, Coutinho, Sakho, Sturridge all day every day for me. Not sure why there's no Grujic today. Injury/ lack of fitness Eds? Would have put my house on him popping up with a goal today. 😏.

23 Aug 2016 18:48:00
Oops forgot to name the subs

Manninger, Klavan, Moreno, Stewart, Wijnaldum, Ings, Sturridge.

23 Aug 2016 18:05:56
"12 - Liverpool have allowed the opposition fewer shots (12) than any other PL team in 2016-17, yet have conceded a joint-high 5 goals. "

While many people aren't fans of the midfield trio of Hendo, Lallana and Wijnaldum clearly they have been preventing the opposition's attacks (mainly due to Hendo) .

The 2 main problems are the defence which, for me, will improve when Matip is back, and hopefully Sakho remains, and Mignolet who has only saved 2 shots from 7 on target, the last being Walcott's pen, so has conceded from the last 5 shots on target. This will improve when Karius is back from injury.

While I don't completely agree with the team Klopp is playing at the moment, I still think he can make it work. If we can stop the individual errors I think we can do very well this season.

Apologies for any optimism or confidence in Klopp and the team, I know many on here don't like it.

23 Aug 2016 18:17:37
Hoping the changed team tonight puts a real shift in and causes Klopp a headache.
If he chooses a midfield of Can Stuart and Grujic, and they put in a real performance, the likes of Hendo and Wdum will be very worried after that showing over the weekend.

23 Aug 2016 18:21:11
A few assumptions you've made that don't necessarily follow on - 1. all the shots on target were saveable by any keeper; 2. the traditional defensive unit were the ones who always screwed up to allow the ball in; 3. the midfield actually stopped there being more than 12 shots. For example if the FBs block a dozen crosses that isn't a shot and isn't the midfield doing anything of value. Likewise if centre backs are cutting out through balls or even if forwards are chasing down moves to make a miss pass happen. 4. The teams "allowing" more shots could have been forcing the opposition into wild hopeful shots from further out, meaning they're performing better than us in some senses and potentially their midfield are doing the good job.

I appreciate you're being positive and not a bad thing at all, the squad/ manager is what Liverpool have right now so it is better to hope they come good. But as the saying implies, you can make anything you want out of stats but rarely do you get the real picture. Hence the reason ckubs have bought some utter dross based on stats.

23 Aug 2016 19:07:59
DBol Henderson played well at the weekend, he was the only one who sensed danger, broke up most of Burnley's attacks and kept hold of the ball. The only thing he didn't do was create and that doesn't mean he played bad, there was no movement in front of him.

LondIrishRed
1. Having watched the games, I think at least 2 were saveable, maybe 3, but that leads me to concerns with the keepers positioning when he's being beaten so easily by shots on target.

2. Again having watched the games, the only goal that could be remotely blamed on the midfield was the first v Arsenal when Lallana lost the ball, but if Moreno had been in position, the goal wouldn't have happened.
The others involve 3 mistakes from Clyne and Klavan not taking out Defour on the halfway line. So it is the defence allowing the goals, plus Mignolet not saving shots.

3. Yet again having watched the games, and Hendo breaking up countless attacks, the midfield are stopping the other teams getting shots away.

23 Aug 2016 21:16:22
You, agree 100% about Mignolet positioning so don't have an issue with that although that still leaves as many he couldn't save and 2 he did so pretty even there. Defence I know were to blame on most of the goals but then we have specific issues we know about there, i. e. FBs are pretty ordinary to say the least.

More the point I was making is that less shots doesn't mean midfield are playing well as a unit, just as more shots against you doesn't mean they're playing badly. Burnley didn't exactly come to attack and create lots of chances, it was a very successful smash and shut up shop exercise. Also Henderson has been singled out by many as breaking up attacks but that is one player. I know you're trying to be positive and I don't have an issue with that but I feel there are issues with defensive and midfield units still being a long way from functioning as units.

24 Aug 2016 19:53:12
You are spot on, You. Three of the goals were saveable for Mingo had he even attempted to dive for them or anticipated where the shot would be going to which he didn`t because he`s that awful. We have conceded the least shots on target (6) yet have the worst record at conceding goals. That is damning in itself. Also remember that LFC led the PL in ceding at the first shot on target and we are leading that category again after tow games. Who was in goal all last season and this season? Mingo. The midfield and defense are doing their jobs, stats wise but we need a goalie who will at least keep us in a game until we at least score a goal instead of conceding oat the first shot he sees.

23 Aug 2016
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23 Aug 2016 14:30:35
Edd002, I was wondering brother if players that suffer with mental health are treated from within the club or get help outside of it. Even for example if they are diagnosed by the club. It's not really a spoken about topic and a lot of players especially in the lower leagues could be struggling in silence.

{Ed002's Note - It has been a concern in recent years and clubs look to identify vulnerabilities and provide support but do not have the specialist skill sets require to do any more than that. Steve Harper and Clark Carlisle are two British players who have been open with their own issues and have tried to work with clubs and players to understand issues as early as possible but, regardless of the efforts of the authorities, it is extenal help that is needed and called on. In other countries similar recognition of potential problems are being addressed in a very similar manner.}

23 Aug 2016 15:04:33
Good question that.
I imagine there are a lot of problems within the sport, young players not making the grade could be one area of concern, especially then going into the real world completely unprepared.

{Ed002's Note - It is something the authorities do speak to the clubs about.}

23 Aug 2016 15:50:02
Players' mental health is a really important topic, thanks Big Al for raising it. Welcome respite from all that talk about money.

I hope the club have a good system in place for identifying and treating issues. If not, there's a fantastic local charity called YPAS (Young Persons Advisory Service) that offers counselling, emotional and practical support to young people under the age of 25. The club could do a lot worse than engage YPAS to develop a support programme for our young players. I'm sure it would have positive knock-on benefits for the team's performance.

23 Aug 2016 16:28:50
Have you seen the waiting list for YPAS. I am sure professional clubs should be able to afford to pay privately and not jump to the front of waiting lists for young people that really need the services too.

23 Aug 2016 16:40:41
Reminds me of one such Stan Collymore.

23 Aug 2016 16:43:14
Cheers Edd002 for the reply.

23 Aug 2016 17:34:06
Players mental health I heard it all!, 100k a week, pampered at every turn must be tough, after Saturday performance it us fans that need help.

23 Aug 2016 17:50:25
That's an incredibly naive stance to take, 77. Mental illness is exactly that, an illness. It doesn't discriminate. The same way as cancer could strike down a millionaire, depression or any other mental illness could befall a professional athlete.

23 Aug 2016 17:50:52
Does depression and addictions come under mental health? Gambling addiction was huge a few years back. Addictions can be a big problem for retired players. Do they get any support?

23 Aug 2016 17:56:58
77 you should have more respect pal. Just because a player earns big money doesn't make them immune to mental health issues. It really doesn't discriminate.

23 Aug 2016 17:58:48
77 that is the most rubbish post I've ever come across on this site. Do yourself a favour and educate yourself on mental health and I'm sure you will find that it affects many people regardless of their financial situation.

23 Aug 2016 18:25:43
Aside from what everyone else has said, in some cases being on a good salary while not getting chances to play, not developing, feeling like you're failing to perform can be a very good way to kick off already in place mental health issues. I really do get fed up with people thinking that if you pay someone a lot of money they'll never get injured, never get ill, never have a close relative die near a game or have rows with their family, fall out with people, in short be a human being and have that impact how they play.

23 Aug 2016 18:32:27
Maybe get off your high horse and buy a sense of humour, my point was why should it be a football club problem any more than any other employer.

I wasn't dismissing the issue only pointing out players are no different than anyone else.

Lighten up guys this site used to be fun.

23 Aug 2016 19:23:00
I don't think this should be the responsibility of the clubs.
What about the PFA (money for old rope)?
What about the players agent/ management company?

The top clubs certainly should not be paying for any help, the players earn enough to pay themselves.

At the smaller clubs I think the PFA should help.

23 Aug 2016 13:49:45
Could the news of Sakho going out on loan be a clever ploy by Klopp to get Sakho to pull his socks up and regain his place?

23 Aug 2016 14:11:18
No it means he's going on loan.
It's up to sakho to pull his socks up, seems klopps through with him.

23 Aug 2016 14:16:51
How long a loan? A season? Or a few months? I still feel he could be an asset this season.

{Ed002's Note - The club want him gone but are unable to sell him.}

23 Aug 2016 16:31:25
Another embarrassing decision by the club considering other CBs we have.

23 Aug 2016 17:03:00
Embarrassing? Sakho put himself in this position with poor decision making.

23 Aug 2016 19:24:11
I think this will be Klopp's decision and the club and the fans always have to back the manager over any player.

23 Aug 2016 22:21:42
Dissapointed but like ron will support klopp on this one. Whether it will bite klopp on the derrier or not time will tell. But its clear he has lost patience with him and maybe its best he moves on. Sorry for my overuse of derrier atm, in paris with my son so emersing myself in the culture. 😁.

23 Aug 2016 12:42:09
Any of the Eds know how far Karius is from returning after his injury?

{Ed002's Note - End of September or the start of October.}

23 Aug 2016 12:24:55
Hi ed's just wondering with the international brake nearly upon us any ideas as to how long karius is going to still be out for cheers.

{Ed001's Note - they are hoping for the end of next month.}

23 Aug 2016 11:12:49
Grujic for me should be playing in the first team day in day out. He looks immense!

23 Aug 2016 11:38:22
I agree so why do I find it hard to imagine it actually happening.

23 Aug 2016 11:52:06
Same mate. He stood out in Pre-Season. Seemed Better than what we have in that midfield anyway.

23 Aug 2016 12:18:14
I recall that one of the edds said that his WP was dependant on playing a certain amounts of games, so I hope we soon will see him in action.

23 Aug 2016 14:05:46
pre season is abit different though. i think we'll see more of grujic soon.

23 Aug 2016 16:02:26
Hope he's not playing day in day out, he would soon get tired/ injured. Week in week out maybe 😉.

23 Aug 2016 09:47:38
Ed001 I've been readig down the page your analysis of the last game and Hendersons performance. I have to agree with all youve said and that others around him need to take as much blame as him. Can I ask you please how you would set up in the centre of the park?

Do you think with the defence/ midfield options we have got Klopp will find a formular to get us playing as a solid unit or do you think its going to be a stop start season again.

{Ed001's Note - personally I would put Lucas or Stewart in, depending on the opponent, alongside Hendo. Play a pair at the base of midfield, and try and teach the fullbacks to hold their runs a bit longer.}

23 Aug 2016 10:35:08
Would you not bring Can in then also?

{Ed001's Note - no because we need Mane, Coutinho and Firmino to play behind Origi.}

23 Aug 2016 10:50:01
Ed, is your support for Origi based on Studge being off form or are you of the oppinion that Origi is simply the better option going forward?

{Ed001's Note - both.}

23 Aug 2016 12:15:21
Which opponent though would Lucas be brought in for?
These teams that sit back and break at speed, particularly at Anfield, are exposing a situation where Liverpool has two slow central defenders pushed slightly up and then an equally slow Lucas sat in front.
The results are plain to see, and happening time and again.

Every team in the Prem has flying machines in their front three now, and Liverpool haven't seemingly woken up to this yet.
Our quick full backs are encouraged to push on, leaving a defensive guard that can't deal with pace and movement.
And putting Can back there is no answer either.

23 Aug 2016 12:45:36
Kevin Stewart could turn out to be the most crucial player. Let's give him a chance and see what he could do there alongside Henderson.

23 Aug 2016 13:09:27
I agree with all of this and I'd use Lucas against sides like Arsenal where you can expect to face periods of sustained pressure against the very best players, with structure and discipline and closing down space your friends. I'd use Stewart for games where you can expect to face quick breaks and need speed and mobility and solid tackling skills.

I also think the 4-2-3-1 suits us far better as it frees our attacking midfielders and our best players (Coutinho, Firmino, Mane) rather than relying on Llalana, Wijnaldum who while good, aren't as dangerous IMO.

24 Aug 2016 11:14:46
Stewart, Can and Coutinho for me (I know you haven't asked, apologies for chiming in)

Stewart - the defensive minded sitter

Can - The all rounder. Keep the ball moving+physical presence player

Coutinho - ball carrier, 360 player - like Modric.

23 Aug 2016 09:53:33
If Sakho go's out on loan its over for him. No senior player go's on loan to recapture his spark and returns.

23 Aug 2016 10:11:48
Over for him or us? If he's done something that bad let's hear about it so we understand, don't say he's still got a future then loan him out and bring klavern in as a replacement.

A poster said few days ago that this was a really good window for us. How? How is it any good at all? Mane looks quality but all the needed signings haven't been made except karius.

Area of defence are in dire need of recruitment and flanno sent on loan while fsg are sat in profit for the window. Where is all the tv money?

23 Aug 2016 10:19:20
I agree. There's loans and then there's "loans".
Sakho and Balo are "loans".

I wonder if there's a mysterious old wooden door somewhere in the dark, damp confines of Anffield marked 'Loans' and you step through it in to another world (like the old Mr Ben series of 1970's telly, ha) . Except instead of returning at some point with a memento of a memorable adventure, the players return with a squad numbered shirt.
I fear that Mr Flannagan might never play for Liverpool again either.

23 Aug 2016 14:21:09
Yeah but everyone's talking like he's Cara or somat.
He's like bambi on ice at times, the best of a terrible bunch.

23 Aug 2016 09:19:31
Starting to think Klopp is not the right manager for L. F. C. Sakho going out on loan and no sign off a left back yet. The man is losing the plot.

23 Aug 2016 09:35:58
Klopp is definitely the right man for us. but losing Sakho!? Just bizarre. If Sakho's been a pain in the arsenal then klopp should manage him as the manager, not get rid.

{Ed002's Note - They can't get rid of him at the asking price - hence being open to a loan.}

23 Aug 2016 11:02:28
I don't understand the logic of the original poster. 🤔.

23 Aug 2016 11:06:48
lol pain in the arsenal.

23 Aug 2016 12:46:36
My logic is very clear Klopp is not doing what he is supposed to do which is having Liverpool beating Burnley.

{Ed001's Note - if that is your idea of logic, then give up watching sport, it is not for you.}

23 Aug 2016 14:22:53
Thing is mate, asking price too high, Klopp sees him as poisonous in the squad. Send him out on loan just to get him away from the team. Ruthless.

23 Aug 2016 07:39:44
Haven't posted in a while and with good reason. most of the people on here are so negative. With the exception of a few and to too it all of the negative people haven't got a clue what they are going on about. Slating players here and their really pisses ne off anyway thanks eds for all ye hard work.

23 Aug 2016 08:52:00
Instead of being negative about the negative people maybe be more positive about the Burnley game and summarise the positives. You can choose from the defence, the midfield or the forward game or explain in what way it is different from all the similar losses of recent seasons or why despite this loss we will finish top 4 and if possible something more specific than I believe in Klopp. Come on give us some hope instead of moaning about the moaners.

23 Aug 2016 09:55:57
Um, we are only two games into the season.

23 Aug 2016 12:24:11
Exactly an already conceded 5 and lost one.

23 Aug 2016 03:58:39
I don't understand the criticism on henderson. I believe he can be a great anchorman for us. Ha have the ebergy and the passing range, it juat that he have a very average partner in midfield at the moment. Lalana and wijnaldum did'nt offer anything going forward. I see our beat midfield is can-grujic and henderson. With the energy and strength of can and grujic marauding forward, and henderaon to stabilise thw defence.

23 Aug 2016 04:37:08
I'd put Can at the back and Hendo/ Grujic further forward but agree with the sentiment. Llalana or Wijnaldum i see as attacking players, either most advanced of the midfield 3 or in the attacking mids of a 4-2-3-1, but certainly not together in a midfield 3 with only Hendo behind them, they leave him too exposed.

23 Aug 2016 04:55:15
Henderson has no great passing range. His passes are mainly to either Clyne or Milner. One of the reason we heavily relies on Coutinho to pick the player.

{Ed001's Note - rubbish, you clearly haven't watched him play if you think that is all he does. The same lies were always spouted of Lucas, even though he always went for a pass forward if it was on. Hendo has often hit 40 yard crossfield passes to a man in space, the problem was against Burnley that no one was in space and no one was giving any movement to pass to.}

23 Aug 2016 05:29:08
Ok this I have read a lot that Henderson to help the defense. He cannot help the defense because he is not cut for it. His positional awareness leaves a lot to be desired for that role. Henderson's best position is up the midfield suppoting attacks. he is not a holding midfielder. That role should be played by Stewart or Lucas, especially when we are playing a three man midfield, one of the three has to be stewart/ lucas. we are playing too many players out of position and hence the burnley defeat. milner at lb. hendo at defensive sort of mid. wijni and lallana in the mid . sturidge out on right of attack. migs in goal :) . Way too many players out of position. Just because they are good players to see on team sheet doesn't mean they will perform out of position. even if they could perform they would need ample time to adapt to that role. I don't understand this though when we have specialist players. my midfield would be can stewart and hendo/ grujic. Wijnaldum and lallana don't have the balance in their game to control the midfiield . They either loose way too many balls or dwell on the ball way too much and are often caught in possession as we have seen in the two games. obviously with time they can adapt their game but that doesn't make sense when you have out and out midfielders on bench.

{Ed001's Note - his positional awareness is exactly what makes him suited to the role. The issue lies with the rest of the team having none.}

23 Aug 2016 05:31:42
He's weak defensively and in the positions he takes up, both when the team is with the ball and without. All things that are necessary to be an effective anchorman. He can do a job no doubt but our defence will always be vulnerable with him central. It's not a slat it's just how i read it, some players don't have every quality in to their game.

{Ed001's Note - except the one thing he does well, and is why he was chosen to play the role, is because he takes up the right positions.}

23 Aug 2016 07:14:16
Squad player at best.

23 Aug 2016 07:16:15
I ll happily disagree there Ed01. If you go back and heck out third goal against Arsenal. Henderson had the ball to pick Clyne instead he passed it back to Lovren playing the safe route. Lovren picked Firmino in the space and Firmino set up Clyne.
Henderson for me plays the safe option, I don't think he takes the risk in picking up players ahead.

2 years ago This man was the best B2B player in the league and we all looked at him as the next possible Vidal and 2 years later he is more like a poor man's Carrick.
His biggest strength is his engine and pressing. Instead of playing him high up we really shoning him to a deeper role for what? Should have bought a holding player and partnered him with Henderson.
We have ruined a hard working player precisely playing him out of his comfort zone for reasons none are aware.
He should have occupied the role currently by Wijnaldum.

My thoughts.

{Ed001's Note - wow one example. One example that led to a goal as well, yet you are criticising the choice. Shows how ridiculous your criticism is really doesn't it? I think there is little point in having this conversation if that is how you think. You would have been crying like a little bitch every single game during the Paisley years if you are going to criticise a player for a pass that keeps possession. It would help if you ever bothered to watch Vidal if you think Hendo's game at any point in his career resembled Vidal's it is clear you haven't seen him play. Though, considering you watch Henderson regularly and have no idea what he does, I suppose I shouldn't be surprised about ridiculous comparisons.}

23 Aug 2016 07:55:19
Apprently it's all because Can did not replace Lucas for which he was bought in the first place. The club thought to bring a big strong man in the middle. But he turned out to be a indisciplined midfielder who needs a disciplined player alongside him.

23 Aug 2016 08:30:01
Problem is ed you complain about shoehorning players.

Do you not think hendo is better than lallana with were lallana is currently playing?

I like hendo anywhere in midfield but he is the best at b2b, the best game I saw from him was Cardiff at Christmas in the 2nd season. He was phenomenal. Spraying passing, pressing, tackling. I just believe we should have Stewart, wij and hendo in the middle.

{Ed001's Note - that is not the point, I am not saying that he should be playing that role, we have Stewart and Lucas who should play the role. I am saying that all these people getting on his back are missing the point. It is the players around him dragging him down that are the issue. We have an utterly inept back 5, that somehow he is being expected to cover for all of them. I mean look at the second goal against Burnley, where the hell was Klavan? Why was Lovren missing? Where was Milner? Why was Clyne not telling Lovren to get over and help Hendo? Then there is Lallana and Wijnaldum alongside him, who offer nothing going forward and nothing defensively. Yet everyone is on the back of the one player who is actually doing his job. Hendo is suffering from the exact same problem Lucas had, being overrun because he is the only one there.

Also going forward, he has the same issue the attacking players have, no movement to pick out. Against Burnley there was no space, but that was made worse by advancing the fullbacks early and showing no patience with shots. Nothing to pass to forward, so why do people complain he was passing sideways and backwards?}

23 Aug 2016 08:30:05
ed i still believe stewart and lucas would do a better role than hendo for a defensive midfielder. hendo can play better up the midfield teeing uo forwards and runners. one of hendo's best quality is he is always available to receive the ball and also he can press and win the ball. i still doubt his defensive abilities plus his best talents are really not displayed. however i would say ed 001 is correct in saying lallana and wijni pairing with him is rather not best to judge.

{Ed001's Note - I agree, but that is not the point, his positioning is fine, he is being let down by the team around him. One man can't defend on his own, yet for Burnley's second goal that is what happened. He held up the forward so others could get back but still got no help. That is exactly what he should have done. So what happened to the help? Why did Clyne not come narrow so Lovren could cover? Where was Milner and Klavan? There are eleven players there not working together at all, yet somehow one of our better players has become the scapegoat, while the real guilty parties are being absolved of blame.}

23 Aug 2016 09:21:52
Henderson was outstanding against Spurs at WHL when we trashed them 5-0. He set up Suarez for the first goal and scored the second one himself.
I will probably go on for a strike to play him higher up. He is what we missed higher up the pitch. His constant pressing, He links the midfield to attack.
Release the shackle of holding role from Henderson and he will score plenty going forward.

{Ed001's Note - which is why I failed to understand the signing of Wijnaldum when we already had a much better player in Henderson for the role he plays.}

23 Aug 2016 10:07:20
Exactly My dear Ed01. Wijnaldum is another version of Henderson which the club never needed. Over the top what role would Grujic play here? He looks another solid talent who could play higher up.

{Ed001's Note - a worse version of Hendo. Grujic looks top class, he needs to play ahead of a midfield pair.}

23 Aug 2016 11:14:47
Totally agree with ED001 9' Grujic, he looks top quality. We need to see more of him as I think he will definitely improve our midfield no end!

23 Aug 2016 16:00:57
Ed what do you think of a Can, Hendo, grujic midfield three? I think that would be a major improvement.

{Ed001's Note - it could hardly be worse than having Lallana and Wijnaldum in there! Neither of those two are any good in the role they are being asked to play.}

24 Aug 2016 17:22:27
Ed speaks the truth. The hendo haters couldn`t be bothered to watch him actually play as they are so focused on way to bash him. On Burnley`s first goal, I haven`t seen anyone bash clyne for passing the ball to the opponent with his eyes open. haven`s heard anyone beat up on Wiji and Lallana or even Studge for sleep walking thru the whole game nor has anyone slated Klopp for not making changes early in the game when it was clear that we were in trouble. No One! All we hear is Hendo this or Hendo that because that`s all the haters can think about.

Those who dislike him and are always on his back are those who were hoping BR would get rid of him but the boy refused to leave and established himself. The boy does his job on the pitch and he gets no help because all the other players are playing crap but get next to no grief for their useless performances. I said it from the get go that Wijnaldum was not needed and Lallana needed to be sold but Klopp knew best so if they screw up, it`s his cross to bear. Grujic and or Can need to play and Wij and Lallana need to be benched. origin up top with Firmino and Matip needs to step in for Klavan (who I like but lacks pace) or Lovren who is still erratic. We have a good team but the players need to be put in positions to succeed and right now, Klopp isn`t doing that.

23 Aug 2016 00:54:56
We have three players, not world class, but good players, Milner, Lucas and Sturridge. the rest are just not good enough if they were, they wouldn't be playing for Liverpool. Here in lies the problem, just not good enough!

23 Aug 2016 01:16:16
Eh?
Coutinho? Firmino? Not good enough?

23 Aug 2016 01:21:23
Sarcastically mocking those who are going overboard with criticism, clever, or at least I hope so, otherwise you're clinically insane.

23 Aug 2016 01:31:31
Not yet anyway. Inconsistent and over-hyped. May i remind you of the Euro final, as i said not good enough!

23 Aug 2016 01:42:22
really only 3 players and you include one who is jack of all and master of none, the other one made of glass and the most selfish player I have seen in a while and the other one again injured 80% of the time.

23 Aug 2016 01:53:05
How are Lucas and Milner deemed good enough? Lucas is nowhere near the first team and Milner is playing at left back because he had no chance of playing in the midfield. Baffling how you would think those two average players are our best players.

23 Aug 2016 02:08:46
Four question marks Ron, my sentiments exactly!

23 Aug 2016 02:21:31
Coutinho may go missing in the odd game but clearly an exceptional talent, Firmino is excellent, Sturridge is outstanding, Hendo has suffered from injuries but a machine in the box to box role when fit, Can is young but very talented, Origi likewise, Karius and Matip are young but were voted two of the best in the Bundesliga, Mane is clearly special etc. etc. so while you may say we have a young squad, it's incorrect to say it doesn't have enough talent.

If we have the patience, then we have the building blocks for a title winning team if we can only avoid panicking and insisting on replacing every player after every poor game. Patience, training, development through top coaching, consistency in selection are all more important than anything else right now.

We all have our opinions on how things can be done better, who we'd bring in to strengthen, why we need a new LB, and that's fair enough for banter pages but I have zero patience for those who expect the entire squad to be replaced after every game/ mistake.

23 Aug 2016 02:24:06
In the land of the blind chaps.!

23 Aug 2016 05:33:31
Lucas over Hendo any day in defensive mid.

23 Aug 2016 09:47:42
That's a mighty big spoon you have Jan! 😅😅.