22 Mar 2021 19:29:22
Question for anyone that wishes to answer. After Leicester's result yesterday I got thinking about Rogers and what a great job he is doing. I then thought that maybe the Liverpool job came a little early for him. He is clearly a very good coach and manager and now he has a bit more of a reputation and could potentially attract more high end players would he have been a good fit when Klopp eventually goes. Not saying he should or would come back but maybe he would be a good shout. Thoughts?

22 Mar 2021 19:55:21
No thanks.

22 Mar 2021 20:02:26
He does keep doing well but then seems to bottle it towards the end. An unfortunate trend throughout his career. For me, he would have to demonstrably wipe out that tendency first before he is even considered.

22 Mar 2021 20:06:09
With or without his dossier?
No thanks.

22 Mar 2021 20:06:59
No way, it is not through good managing, its because there recruitment team makes it easy for the manager, saying that it will all come crashing down like it normally does with him.

22 Mar 2021 20:08:42
Rogers takes all of the criticism for losing us the title but gets no plaudits for putting us in a position to win a title. Can never say never in the future as no one knows what it holds but for me he still has a way to go to replicate Klopp. And o for one want Klopp to stay here for as long as possible.

22 Mar 2021 20:18:34
He’s doing well but he was a spoofer!
When the team done well it was him when they done bad it was the team!
It definitely came to Early but I’ll nvr want him back good character blah blah blah.

22 Mar 2021 20:46:25
I am with you JK23, he deserves a bit more credit than he gets. I really enjoyed that season, the football was in the main a joy to watch.

22 Mar 2021 20:58:14
That football was not a joy to watch it must have aged me 10 years. Even at 5-0 up you couldn’t relax and expected a 6 goal comeback at any minute.
I bet it was fun for the neutrals though.

22 Mar 2021 21:13:22
To me we played fantastic football at times, but it was his personality and press conferences that made it impossible for me to like him.

I don’t think that arrogant personality side to him has gone away and so for that reason I would want to steer clear. We move on, so does he. Everyone is happy.

Red Sandman.

22 Mar 2021 21:25:00
Fair points, maybe if the first stint never happened it may have been the right choice. I'm Klopp will extend but I think it's likely he will go in 2024.

22 Mar 2021 21:44:50
Mikey if you remember some of the years leading up to that it was a joy to watch. In comparison to getting beat by the likes of Blackpool etc.

22 Mar 2021 22:08:37
I do think Rodgers had a great team with Suarez, raheem and the others. I think klopp would have won the Premier league with the team we had and I'm not so sure Suarez would have got upto the antics he did with klopp at the wheel.

{Ed077's Note - it wasnt a great team IMO. It was a very lopsided squad blessed with good attacking players but lacking in good defenders. Also it's not Rodgers fault that Suarez was/is a tool. Don't act like Suarez didn't bite his opponent in Holland too for instance. And his "antics" under Dalglish eventually led to Kenny losing his job.

22 Mar 2021 22:16:42
Mark agree mate. Even the years under Rafa were like watching paint dry for long spells. He got us the CL so he’ll always be a legend but Christ some games were a hard watch.

{Ed077's Note - LFC won the CL under Rafa. FACT!😁😁

22 Mar 2021 22:38:03
What is interesting in reading this thread is how he would have been perceived by fans had he in fact led us to our first title, would we even have got Klopp? Tiny margins really. And you can't say his recruitment team make it easy for him, someone has to pick the players and get them playing.

{Ed077's Note - I would have said the LFC supporters will feel too much indebted by the manager that won them their first league title in many decades and back them to the hill but I've seen people wanting Klopp to get the sack this season so maybe people would have called for Brendan to get the sack after 1.5 yrs of poorer form even if you had won the league that season when you finished 2nd.

22 Mar 2021 23:43:15
Football club success is 90% recruitment. That can't be a criticism.

Poor recruitment can end any manager at any time!

23 Mar 2021 02:17:36
Rodgers comes across as a good coach but there are two reasons why I wouldn't want him -
1) He comes across as an arrogant and annoying individual
2) He doesn't do well in cup tournaments (e. g. champions league)

{Ed077's Note - let this season finish before eulogising Brendan (or others) I say. He choked from a position of even more strength last season. And has already bottled in the EL. Wait a few months before making a final judgement on whether he has improved enough to the level of being good enough to be considered for the Klopp replacement role.

23 Mar 2021 06:47:56
Rodgers is still crap in Europe💯. I can't forgive the game against Real Madrid, playing Raheem Sterling as wing back, fouling Markovic's career (agreed there was more to it) and I still get nightmares from thinking we had options like Borini, Lambert and Balotelli. Agreed he has improved and his success with Celtic played a huge role in that but the foot in mouth disease seems to still stick plus he is no better in Europe to what he was with us. Got knocked out by Slavia Prague recently. So no thank you, we can do better. Nigelsmann, Allegri, Gasperini et al, I will consider before Rodgers💯.

23 Mar 2021 08:12:31
I’ll nvr forgive the spoofer for the Crystal Palace match 3 up could of shut up shop but persisted to get more it’s was a joke!
And then let’s not forget the Chelsea game even Jose had conceded he would jus park the bus and was happy just not to loose! The draw would of doing us perfect but the spoofer Rodgers says let’s go gun ho!
Hated him as our coach it’s poxy interviews!
Suarez carried the team Suarez Nearly won us the league even if he is a critter.

23 Mar 2021 08:13:13
You’ve got to give him so credit for what he’s done but I do struggle not seeing David Brent!

23 Mar 2021 08:43:39
The guys a serial bottle job. He has never got past a semi-final outside of Scotland (where he had the best squad by a country mile and no decent Rangers side to challenge him) . He threw away the league in 2013/ 14 for us, just like he threw away Champions League football for Leicester last year.

At both Liverpool and Leicester he inherited arguably the best strikers in the league (Suarez and Vardy) . He had absolutely no idea how to replace Suarez. Balotelli, Lambert, Borini, Benteke etc.

So i have 3 points on whether Rodgers can now be considered elite.
1. Let's wait and see if he manages to reach a final for a change.
2. Let's see if he can sustain form for a full league campaign.
3. Let's see how he copes when Vardy needs to be replaced.

If he answers all 3 of those questions positively then i'll consider him elite. It's not all that impressive getting a very strong Leicester side to play okay football (lets be honest they still mostly sit deep and hoof it to Vardy in a lot of games) .

23 Mar 2021 11:22:27
For me, BR is a top coach when we talk about actual coaching. The likes of Suarez, Sterling, Studge and Hendo for that matter, ALL progressed under him and went on to greater and better things afterwards BUT he gave them the platform and the coaching required for them to improve and succeed.

Having said that, BR was way too poor in many areas of management to even begin to imagine to be successful at a club like LFC at the time. He lacks humility, deference, man management skills, is too lazy to work on his craft and improve, very loquacious, takes NO responsibility for his own actions, disloyal and most importantly, too full of himself. The thing is some of these same traits are still part of his repertoire BUT when you are at Leicester, you can hide esp if the club is well run and all you do is coach, something he was not doing at LFC cos he wanted to be in charge of other things like recruitment which we all know, he was dreadful at.

To me, BR is a very good coach and would be a wonderful assistant to a top manager BUT to be the top man at a top club? No way. Too many holes in his ability and we of all clubs, would be in the best position to know this cos we lived it with the scars to prove it.

23 Mar 2021 11:53:54
I don’t see him getting a chance at a much bigger side than Leicester to be honest, maybe a Spurs or Arsenal one day?
But I just don’t ever see him winning leagues or champions leagues with the Uniteds or Madrid’s of the football world.
I don’t think he’s bad as such but I don’t see him being elite level. But to be fair he’s definitely a better manager now than when he rocked up at Liverpool. Would I have him back? No.

23 Mar 2021 11:58:43
I love Klopp and no way am I initiating that Rogers is in the same league as the man because I am not, but I wonder if people viewed Klopp as a bottle job (prior to us winning the league last season) for throwing away a league title when we were 9 points clear at Xmas a couple of seasons ago. Or for the CL and Europa league finals we lost. Klopp is the best thing that has happened to this club in 30 years but its double standards to criticise one and turn a blind eye to another. For me Klopp is world class and Rogers is not at his level but he did a good job for us that season we almost won it and i enjoyed the football we played.

23 Mar 2021 12:46:52
If you ask SIRI for a picture of what hubris looks like, it brings up a picture of Brendan Rodgers. FACT.

23 Mar 2021 12:38:44
Losing one game all season is not bottling it, JK.
As for Rodgers; I said that I'd lose all respect for him if he ever said that he NEARLY won the League with us.
It didn't take him long to do it when we were having a bad run.

23 Mar 2021 12:52:28
JK23, I never viewed Klopp as a bottle job. Why? I have always believed that for you to be able to win things in the long run, you have to consistently put your self in the position to actually win them as in, making finals and challenging for titles. If you keep doing that and keep believing in the process then, more than likely the dam will break. The proof is all over the sporting world if you care to look.

The best examples I have are Klopp himself and Joachim Leow. Same as Klopp, Loew ALWAYS made it to the either a semi final or a final of the World Cup's and the Euro's and would always lose. I never saw anyone call him a bottle job. But he kept believing and the German FA kept him onside and Voila in 2014, Germany snap the Holy Grail in Brazil and his legacy is sealed. Same as Klopp with Liverpool. On the other side, there are managers like Allegri and Simeone who made two CL finals and lost them. No one calls them bottle jobs cos IMO, it is a HUGE achievement to make it to these big finals. Yet Klopp is a bottle job for losing the very same finals they lost?

I think people esp. rival fans used bottle job to smear Klopp cos of the finals he lost meanwhile conveniently, forgetting the finals and titles he DID win. Our own fans buy into such rubbish, as well. For ex., Utd try to put OGS as some successful manager cos he made 4 semi finals of the EFL and EL (the same trophies they called Losers Trophies when we were winning them) YET these same fans were calling Klopp a bottle job or loser for losing actual BIG FINALS. This is what I am talking about. Not arsed about Klopp being a bottle job cos it was NEVER true, IMO. His legacy is sealed at Mainz, Dortmund and Liverpool for a reason. I will take that "Bottle job" every day and 5 times on Sundays.

23 Mar 2021 13:12:04
BR coming back to Liverpool would never work, he did not endear himself fully to a lot of fans though it was still a surprise to me how quickly and vehemently things turned against him in his last season.
But that time did set a lot of fans against each other and created a very poor atmosphere around the club.
Klopp has been the most perfect anecdote to that, and the club, and city, responds much more positively to a coach / manager with Klopp’s type of personality I feel.

23 Mar 2021 13:29:05
Good replies gents. Was only asking the question. For me Klopp has never been a bottle job and I don't think Rodgers bottled our league campaign either. I think he was lucky to a certain extent to almost win it with us but if he bottled in then every single player in that team were also bottlers. Hendo was a big miss the last few games but it wasn't BR that got him sent off and it wasn't down to him the Stevie G slip or us completely falling apart against Palace in the space of 20 mins. Players need to take their share of responsibility as well. The initial question about BR coming back i answered never say never as who knows. But i wouldn't want him back as that ship has sailed and I'd prefer us to be in the hunt for a bigger manager when the time comes.

23 Mar 2021 13:59:46
It was fown to Rodgers that we threw away the lead at Palace though. He was trying to chase a goal difference gap when he should've been focusing on the 3 points to keep the pressure on City. He lost his bottle at the back end of that season. Same as he should've hooked Gerrard against Chelsea. Not for slipping, but for taking on about 10 shots in the second half trying to make up for his error.

The players were definitely just as culpable but the simple fact is we blew a lead with a few games to go.

Klopp is different. He'd already won titles and trophies in a major European league. He somehow dragged Dortmund to the Bundesliga Title ahead of the Munich Juggernaut. At Liverpool he got to 2 finals in 6 months with the players Rodgers left behind. The players he never once got to a final. The year where we lost despite leading at Christmas, we amassed 97 points. How on Earth can you even compare that to bottling it? That's just City being an absolute machine.

There is no comparison between Klopp and Rodgers right now. I'm open minded and i'll reassess my thoughts if Rodgers can build on what he's done so far, but for now he's just a good coach rather than a great one.

23 Mar 2021 14:20:37
I don’t think it’s fair to say Rodgers is a bottler, I don’t think that’s correct.
If anything it was over-confidence and a desire to attack and be positive that cost him and Liverpool that title when, in hindsight, some pragmatism was called for.
Rodgers has had set-backs, as had Klopp, but he has gone on to winning ways and it looks like he will guide Leicester to the CL after falling away last season.
I’d like to see him do well, I have fond memories of the football in that season and a half when Liverpool were electric and ‘poetry in motion’ indeed.
His current Leicester side are good to watch as well.

23 Mar 2021 14:24:53
We lost the title with Rodgers because he started to believe his own hype and did a Pep, we played Villa and Swansea and he over thought it and played about with the formation, them two results cost us more than Palace or Chelsea, trying to be too clever cost us that title, same way Pep does it in Europe with City.

23 Mar 2021 14:30:10
Mk good reply mate. Just for the record I'm not comparing Klopp agaisnt Rodgers as Klopp wins every time and what Klopp achieved before he came to us is undeniable. What i mean is i think Rodgers gets it harsh from us for that 1 particular season. Whenever we have thrown away a lead in a game under Klopp (there were lots in the early days) its always been the team threw away the lead and not the manager which i think is correct. This time last year we threw away a good lead at home to Athletico. Also if Rodgers had shut up shop thta night against Palace and we went onto lose the league on goal difference he would have had pelters for not going for it with that front line at 3-0 up. He was damned if he did damned if he didn't. But like i said Klopp is best thing to happen to this club in 30 odd years and long may it continue.

23 Mar 2021 15:24:42
JK23, I think whether BR is a bottle job or not, is a false argument to have. I never believed we would win it that season cos the holes in that team were too much to ignore so was not bothered that much at the end even tho, it still hurt. My thing with BR was that he contributed to his own demise due to his arrogant conduct, the way he treated some players like Lucas, his complete inability to coach the defence and make us hard to beat (remember him saying after a game that fixing the defence did not interest him), believing in his own hype and poor man management.

People talk about the Palace game YET forget that in the Chelsea game before that, he went hell for leather against a very defensive Chelsea team while we needed just a draw to keep our advantage. He tried to outsmart Jose and finally, wound up outsmarting himself by playing into Jose's hands.

In the Palace game, same thing happened. We had a 3 goal lead. City had a +9 goal diff. vs us. The fact that he thought we could beat Palace 12/ 13 nil with that wretched defence he failed to coach up (mind you City played Villa the day after so had the adv. anyway), was just lunacy and hubris. He should have shut up shop, secured the win and hope for the best. It was all these types of dumb decisions/ actions esp. before both these games that cost us the title. Does that make him a bottle job? No. Did that make him incompetent, arrogant and out of his depth completely at the time? Absolutely.

23 Mar 2021 15:36:44
I only replied to comments above about him being a bottle job. I think its unfair that he takes all the criticism of losing the league but none for putting us in the position in the first place. Perhaps when we were 3 up at Palace in Dec we should have shut up shop as there was no chance of us scoring 7. The only shot you miss is the one you don't take. As for the Chelsea game up until the slip we were well in control and in fairness we had spent the season going gun ho so was there any doubt that Rodgers was going to change it for that particular game. I've not said anything about Rodgers character, mannerisms or arrogance as i can 100% see why he rubs people up the wrong way. Truth be told if he's getting interviewed i turn over but i could probably say that about 95% of all the other managers for lots of different reasons. I'm sure Rodgers the millionaire football manager who will continue in the professional game probably for years to come will be happy that posters have identified his major short falls of being incompetent and completely out of his depth.

23 Mar 2021 16:21:51
I personally don't like the man because of certain character flaws but you can't deny the fact that he is far better than the average football manager. Just like Mourinho. In fact, is there a better British manager than Brendan Rodgers at the present moment? 😉.

23 Mar 2021 17:26:21
Surprisingly nobody mentioned that he's an excellent technician.

23 Mar 2021 17:57:54
Rodgers’ ego saw him try to humiliate Jose that day, when a nil-all and a one-nil at Palace would have secured the league. We should have played Suarez up top on his own and packed the defense and midfield. It was very unprofessional considering the prize on offer and the nous of the tactician in the other dugout.

23 Mar 2021 18:30:11
Why is playing the attackers you've played all season trying to humiliate someone? i'd never want Rodgers over Klopp but people create things to go along with their opinion of someone. We needed a draw in that Chelsea game, we were well on our way to getting it till Stevie slipped! Unfortunate, nothing else.

23 Mar 2021 18:50:14
You are exactly right Jadon. Gerrard slipped end of.

There is not a single fan on this site who wasn't screaming at the TV or in the ground to go for the 4th goal v Palace. 2 minutes after going 3-0 up we have a good chance to score the 4th goal. Of course after they scored one we should have shut the game down but we hadn't really got the players for that either. Imagine if we had gone defensive at 3-0 up and still lost the league everyone would be banging on about Palce were there for the taking. And as for Hooking Gerrard, can you imagine what would have been said then. Sometimes your just can't win, anyway I know something Rodgers is a far better football manager than anyone posting on here.

23 Mar 2021 19:15:40
Mark, try to stay on topic. Not one poster on this thread has said he or she is a better manager than BR so not sure what that’s about. Someone asked a question and we are all participating in a healthy debate so no need to start personalising it.

As for the so called slip, if you really think Gerrard’s mistake out of a 38 game season cost us the title then I don’t know what to tell you. We had a crap defence all season and he did nothing to fix it. He literally said that the defensive side of the game was not his thing after a fake. Had he shown more nous instead of believing in his own hype, we would have won the title.

BR is doing fine at Leicester and that is his level now. LFC are way out of his league right now thanks to Herr Klopp so him coming back? Not a chance.

23 Mar 2021 19:17:31
It’s a huge step down from Klopp to Rodgers.

23 Mar 2021 19:43:47
your the poster RedMiester who goes on about posters using hypothetical rubbish to back up their point. This thread is all about hypotheticals how can you not see this?

23 Mar 2021 19:51:46
Couldn’t stand the fact that when we won he took the credit but when we lost he blamed the transfer committee etc if I remember correctly.

23 Mar 2021 19:56:44
Rodgers is having a far better season than Klopp this year Beckers.

23 Mar 2021 22:15:16
And Klopp has had better seasons than Rodgers for his entire career Mark.
This season is an anomaly due to extremely unusual circumstances I think anyone can understand that.

24 Mar 2021 07:52:14
Just to add, how many games was suarez banned for that season through his own stupidity? And I also disagree about this inheriting good teams etc. Plenty of managers have walked into jobs with world class squads and absolutely flopped, again, Rodgers has got teams playing. Any manager who manages in the PL must be doing something right. Is he as good a manager as Klopp? Of course not, but how many managers in the world are?