Liverpool Rumours Archive September 16 2020

16 Sep 2020 12:55:45
Hi eds,

Any updates on Karius? Any sides interested in him as of late? I assume we intend to keep Adrian, not Karius. Thank you!

{Ed002's Note - Loris Karius (G) Liverpool find him back on the doorstep and will need to find a solution - perhaps a reduced price and an early exit - CSKA and Hertha Berlin offer opportunities - does not wish to return to Turkey although there is interest from there. With Boeckx getting toward the end of his career and Roef's departure this summer already agreed Anderlecht would like him to challenge first choice Van Crombrugge but the asking price was too high and they have gone for cover in Timon Wellenreuther. There was interest from Wolves Karius would not be first choice there as they have added a player - and regular playing time is what he will be after. There was also an enquiry from Montpellier but they thought he was too expensive.}

16 Sep 2020 13:33:50
Another proper mess. isn't it Ed02.

16 Sep 2020 14:01:01
Maybe we should lower our price to whatever a team wants to pay, and throw in a free Jurgen Klopp bobble-head for good measure. We have to try get the most we can for our players, what went on in Turkey with the lad is no fault of the clubs.

16 Sep 2020 18:40:38
Seems like we generally price players higher than what the clubs interested valuate them to. Of cource we shouldn't let good players leave for free, but it just seems like we are very stubborn towards our own caluation of these. Players who have been placed on the transferlist already. I just wondering, how do we valuate these? Is it to keep them and scare interest off? Is it negoatiating tactics? Like we don't have any money to spend ourself, we can't expect others to splash the cash. Would FSG rather keep a unwanted player and keep paying wages etc. than deviate fro valuation a few percentages?

16 Sep 2020 20:36:42
I don't think anyone can moan about the prices we've both received, and paid for players since Edward's arrived at the club. Trust the man that has got us some big prices for average enough players.

16 Sep 2020 16:44:16
Thanks for the swift answer Ed, have a great day.

16 Sep 2020 21:53:50
I find it amusing that people think we should accept any offer for one of our players whilst also saying we should pay the asking price for a player we want to buy.

16 Sep 2020 23:04:52
Well said, Jadon Havertz. (weird name for a Liverpool fan but ok! )
It's Michael Edwards all over again. Quote a player's maximum value and stick to your guns. Still plenty of time until the transfer window closes, so no need to compromise just yet.
He knows that no club will pay our asking price for Karius or Wilson etc. But that's okay, as time ticks by they will become a solution for somebody. Eventually a deal will be made and our fringe players will depart for decent money.
I wouldn't be at all surprised if Liverpool make their purchases the last week before deadline day. Completely in contrast to how they've done their business the last few years, I know.
But, in these uncertain times it just makes sense to cut up the credit card, then calculate your income and check the bank balance before clicking the 'confirm purchase' button on that lovely new checkered black Liverpool away kit that I really want.

16 Sep 2020 23:25:25
Klopp really hasn't made that many transfer mistakes TBF.

17 Sep 2020 02:15:04
Would another loan move be considered do you know ed? His stock is currently as low as can be expected and we won't receive any great fee but if he somehow were to enjoy a good season we could cash in next year, . Danny ward had a good season which earned us 12 mil that we would never have got 12 months previous. Karius can't possibly lose any sort of value that he's currently not worth and he's claimed that he would rather be Liverpool reserve than a reserve for any other team so he'd know that a season on loan with another chance of 1st team games will be the last time he can perform to earn the best move possible as surely he's aware that his career depends on it. I just think selling him now at his lowest value has no benefit as his reputation can only go up with another loan. Surely clubs would be more interested to offer us a loan deal than any permanent offer. He might benefit going back to Germany and settling better as the scrutiny he's faced over a couple of seasons while in new environments has clearly ruined his confidence.

{Ed002's Note - Liverpool are not looking to loan players that they want to get rid of - they want to sell them and get them off the books. They are trying hard raise funds but have been struggling to find buyers.}

17 Sep 2020 07:58:59
Don’t start knocking that daft user name Jürgen Meister, he gets all uppity about it.

17 Sep 2020 09:48:04
😂😂, have it ages! don't know how to change it. techo-phobe.

16 Sep 2020 11:25:36
So apparently Brewster is off to Shef United, I think this is a great deal for all parties personally.

The lad needs to be playing week in week out for a couple of seasons if he is to hit his potential. We get money in now to invest in players that Klopp feels can help now rather than helping in 3-4 years time.

If it works out we will likely have first refusal, the player may be willing to come back as we have allowed him to leave for his benefit. If it doesn’t we have pocketed some cash for someone that hasn’t developed as hoped at the height of his value.

It is smart business all round in my opinion and if there is a buy back figure it will likely be lower than his perceived value in a few years time. And he is working under wilder who will keep him on the straight and narrow.

I am a huge fan of his but if he stuck around is he even going to make the bench? And that just isn’t good for his development.

{Ed025's Note - your spot on WYred mate..

16 Sep 2020 11:40:37
Do we have any idea what kind of fee we may be likely to get? What was Liverpools valuation of him?

{Ed025's Note - not at the moment snoots, it will be getting thrashed out as we speak mate..

16 Sep 2020 11:49:28
Ah, well we Usualy get decent fees, I know it's random but if we could get enough together to bid for patson daka, he looks a good prospect could take game time off our front three I think.

{Ed025's Note - i think if money is available snoots then thiago will be one to be coming in mate..

16 Sep 2020 11:52:54
We would never buy him back. we need to take that myth away. Let's wish the kid has a stellar career at Sheffield or beyond. At least we aren't making any fake promises to the lad.

16 Sep 2020 12:08:33
Harry, why wouldn't we buy him back if he proved good enough and there was a position available for him? Truth is none of know what the future holds but do dismiss that we could potentially buy him back seems crazy to me.

16 Sep 2020 12:08:45
Stop leading us down the garden path ed, I am at me whits end with the thiago buisness.

{Ed025's Note - hes the one jurgen wants mate, i would have thought cover for the front 3 myself but its hard to argue with mr klopp..

16 Sep 2020 12:28:27
The Lad is good today But he is a proper center forward, something we don't play with. Brewster like Danny Ings is a very good striker. This sale has nothing to do with him needs to prove a thing.

16 Sep 2020 12:43:44
It’s kinda strange that we let a homegrown out to get Thiago where we are well stocked in midfield unless we are pushing Fab as backup for CB and Gini as CDM.

However, with Brewster going, the cards will be shifting around for movements.

16 Sep 2020 12:43:53
But harry that's how we play today, in 3-4 years we may have an entirely different system.

16 Sep 2020 12:54:45
WYred

Sheffield might sell him next summer or maybe in two years, we don't know. Not sure what the clauses are but if there are clauses then the price also decreases. We are not looking at 3-4 years for sure.

16 Sep 2020 13:30:21
Whilst I wish he stayed, fair enough. If he isn't getting game time and playing every few games for at least 45 mins and starting cup games, I don't blame him. I do think it's a weird transfer as he's HG and looked an absolute baller, played very well for Swansea. I just hope we have a buy back clause in, because if he ends up scoring double digits for SU this season, I'd love him back, we definitely need cover for the front 3, and Ox/ Shaq/ Origi haven't been doing it for me. I would have preferred selling Origi to Villa and keep Brewster, mainly for HG benefit. Oh well, hope he has a great career at SU! Wilder is a good coach and I'm sure he'll do well there.

16 Sep 2020 19:53:32
Don’t forget about our Japanese pocket rocket! I’d say we are doing well if Brewster leaves and Thiago comes in. Cover for the front three looks like Minamino - ox- Origi- Shaq. That doesn’t look too bad does it? It’s looking possible that Sarr could be added to the mix. That would make a pretty decent window for us!

{Ed025's Note - that cover for the front 3 looks very very weak to me redman, the only one who looks half decent to me would be minamino mate, the other 3 would do well to get a game for rochdale..

17 Sep 2020 04:22:51
If a deal includes any sort of a buy back that would make him a valuable future option and we get 20 or 25mil income now it can only make sense as it's a risk with very little chance of causing us regret. If you asked me would I prefer thiago in our team for next 2 or 3 years or Brewster I'd 100% say thiago. If the buy back option looks good value compared to his future progression then we could nab a potential bargain when Firmino is no longer our no.9. To receive 20+ for a player yet to play in premier league and only 6months first team involvement at championship level would be silly to turn down. He could either be a solanke or an ings. We would love to have a situation where ings could be re signed at a good price or else be satisfied that we got paid well for solanke and never seek to bring back. Sheffield Utd will know that they can't guarantee to be in a position of strenght in a few years where they could expect to demand much higher fees for him than maybe 30 or 40mil potential buy back fee. The likes of pogba and sancho going on to become so valuable when let go for so little must have frustrated United and city but negotiating with those top clubs made it unlikely they would agree to a buy back where as with sheff Utd it could work out for both parties. Ed are you aware if the likes of iheanacho or moise kean for example were let move with something similar in their contracts as big clubs letting hot prospects leave must want to consider the possibility of future success. Madrid have done this with carvajal, morata and recently hakimi all becoming twice their value over 12 months. Didn't bayern bring gnabry from Bremen at cut price? I'm not 100% sure on that one. Are there many notable big players who were used in that way?

{Ed0666's Note - What I want for Xmas is for you to start using paragraphs in you’re posts.