Liverpool Banter Archive July 16 2016

 

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16 Jul 2016 19:38:22
I know the questions can be a bit repetitive at times Ed002 but thanks all million for all your information.

Believable15 Unbelievable13

16 Jul 2016 23:03:40
Surely Barry is a clear winner of post of the day?

The people of Louth deserve this!


17 Jul 2016 00:30:42
We definitely need a boost Ron.


16 Jul 2016 19:32:47
Greetings fellow lfc fans! It's beeeen a long time

So firstly . No left back or centre mid yet! What's going on! Can't have can an Henderson solely with Milner filling in I prefer Milner out wide in games when he plays
I mean this with Lucas and Allen being sold someone should come in

And as for the left back area that has to be a priority - for the love of all they is holy! Make it happen lfc.

Believable4 Unbelievable23

16 Jul 2016 20:30:26
You must have missed Grujic.


16 Jul 2016 20:45:57
Have you forgotten about lucas, grujic, allen, Stewart, brannagan? Another shocking post from a closet red devil.


16 Jul 2016 21:08:41
Grujic has been signed and promised game time. Mane has been signed for massive money. Brannagan has been denied a loan as he is seen as an important player. Stewart was given a new contract and at 22 years old will be expecting pitch time. Ojo is clearly rated very highly. Chirivella, Arnold, Ejaria, Kent and Woodburn are now knocking on the door. So Hendo and Can have support of some kind! Firmino can drop in as an attacking mid and Origi can play in the wider positions as well.

Plus Lucas, Allen, Coutinho Lallana, Markovic and Milner haven't actually left yet. A few of them may stay. I personally hope we keep Lucas and Coutinho decides to stay, regardless of how likely that is.

Considering our bloated squad it would be careless (to say the least) to sign another midfielder before we move some players on.

People are clearly worried about our midfield. Particularly cover for Henderson and Can. But we have Brannagan, Chirivella, Grujic and Stewart who can play there; all of whom are definitely staying at the club for next season. If we sign another midfielder, it is far more likely to be an attacking player similar to Zielinski, as proven by our interest in him. Klopp is not a kid in a candy shop like Brenda was. If he can't get in a player he wants, he won't just spend that money on a completely different player.

With regards to left backs, If we can't get Chilwell, Amavi or Hector over the line (and there are no other left backs that he is keen on) I suspect he will just stick with Moreno, Flanagan and Smith instead of panic buying.

I personally am baffled by the cry out for more central midfielders. If Henderson, Can, Grujic, Stewart, Brannagan and Chirivella isn't enough, what will be? 8 players? 10 players? I personally believe Grujic is better in a more advanced role but he can play deeper if required so people really need to stop panicking.

The only area I am concerned about is left back as Moreno is still a liability, Smith has not convinced me, and Flanagan is predominantly a right back who has played 8 games in 3 years. Yet I see less moaning about this than I do about midfield!


16 Jul 2016 21:27:15
I still think we are very weak in the middle and it needs to be addressed.


{Ed002's Note - Sell Grujic and bring who in?}

16 Jul 2016 21:28:21
MKSCOUSER I think that's because most of us are expecting a LB to be brought in. Well you know me by now and know I'm one worried about our midfield. That's because none of our regular CM have shown any midfield strength and proven time and again that they are just as likely to disappear when the going gets tough. Chirivella has not impressed me any in the chances he's been given, Stewart has shown some promise but enough to be our main DM? Not by a long shot. Brannagan I'd be happy to have as cover and play the odd game like Stewart but to be relied upon? No. I agree weare overstocked in midfield but there isn't a quality DM among em.


16 Jul 2016 22:20:52
Sorry Ed, I meant that it looks like our midfield options are all very similar, there's none in there who you'd say is a spoiler, that's not to say Henderson, Can and Grujic aren't good players, because they are (in fact they're very good players) but we could do with a spoiler when we need to grind out results. (Assuming Lucas and Allen are leaving) .


16 Jul 2016 22:23:49
Finally!
Someone understands it's about the quality not the amount of players we have in midfield

This midfield ain't going to win the title or dominate
Ok maybe have the odd really good game but throughout the season it's been proven it's not good enough

What are we talking about here? 4-5th place
Or do I wanna win the damn title!
The players mentioned in some posts above will give u 1 good game every 2 weeks

Whereas u clearly saw Leicester players gave everything every game and performed
So yes I stand by what I say misfield needs to be changed and some defenders.


16 Jul 2016 22:35:28
Red lobster, stay off the crack man.

It's early days and you're flapping like a tart!

No one know what will happen


I can assure you that there's plenty of surprises ahead with players leaving that no-one even suspects.


17 Jul 2016 00:30:33
Stewart is nearly 23 and Brannagan is 20. These are not kids who will just play in the academy next season. They will be expecting gametime.

I am really considering staying off all threads about defensive midfielders from now on.

People are still convinced Can is not defensive minded despite the fact he was used at Leverkusen as a left back, by Rodgers as a centre back, and for Germany as a right back. He may well not be a holding midfielder, but to claim he is not good enough defensively when he has actually been drafted into defence by 3 separate coaches and teams is ludicrous. The same people also refuse to acknowledge that Klopp rated Stewart enough to play him in central midfield ahead of both Lucas (who got pushed back to defence due to a severe lack of mobility) and Allen (who got pushed forward so he could concede possession in less dangerous areas) last season. Just to top it off, we also want to completely write off 18 year old Chirivella because of 1 bad half against Swansea, despite Ed001 confirming he in particular is seen by the club as a future first team regular and the player himself confirming that Klopp has asked him to work on is his pressing in order for him to get more game time.

We have 3 young, talented, defensive minded midfielders. I am really tired of pointing this out now though. If people want to sell Can and replace him with Alex Song, then that's fine. I think you're mad, but clearly you think I'm mad for having faith in 3 lads under 23 years old. So honours even! ;)


17 Jul 2016 01:29:12
I think as well that the team had low confidence when klopp arrived, and Hendo struggled with injury for the entire season. The squad needs trimming, we have no European football. Let's just see how the lads get on with a decent pre season under klopp. Obviously everyone wants us to do well, I'm sure if the players don't cut it then it will be sorted. Sadly these things can take time. Think we should just have a bit of faith in the squad and manager.


17 Jul 2016 01:50:53
I think Kloppo is going to use Can, Grujic and Hendo in most games. There is no necessity for a "specialist" CDM, CDUK, DLP, SDP, TCP, OMG or any other 3 letter acronym.
These are 3 very mobile and very accomplished midfielders who are all capable of tackling, tracking back, linking up with attacks, passing and shooting. Stewart will also get some games as will Brannagan. People need to open their minds a bit and let go of the relatively recent fad of having midfielders who can only do one task. I wonder what Johann Cryuff would think 😞.


17 Jul 2016 02:33:02
Who do we sell to make room for this new CM many seem to want? Henderson? Can? Allen? Lucas? Grujic? All of them? Feels like some won't be happy unless we have an entirely new 11 every season, which is more or less what we seemed to try under the last guy.


17 Jul 2016 06:46:04
RDL, chances are Lucas and Allen will be sold.
Is Branagan, Stewart, Chririvella better than Lucas and Allen at this point?


17 Jul 2016 08:14:17
MKSCOUSER Can is not a defensive minded player. Playing Can out of position cost Lever use their place in Europe against Man UTD because he wasn't good enough. Playing Can out of position albeit with several other players cost Brendan his job so I don't get that argument. If your going to get the best out of your team surely you play your players where they're best at not because they CAN play there. Yes if we needed cover then fair enough but to say that's the solution for the season, mate I just don't get it. It was proven time and again last season that to get anything out of us all you had to do was counterpress and have a go, even poor teams like Norwich nearly succeeded. Games like these was where Can just disappeared, he wasn't the only one though. It actually got that bad we even brought Allen on to try and stem the flow. Can when probing and pushing box to box is a phenomenal player for someone so young, likewise Hendo but both need someone solid behind them, someone who will cover fullbacks or sit in the holes left by our midfielders pushing on, this is what Hendo and Can don't do. I have a feeling we're going to have to agree to disagree again mate and wait and see what the season brings. I don't want to argue just for arguing sake lol. We just both feel strongly about our respective opinions on this it seems 😉 No bad thing.


17 Jul 2016 08:23:41
Do you see Lucas or Allen starting many for us, Andy? I don't, maybe a few here or there or a bit more if there are injuries. I just don't see whose spot a new player would take. Can needs game time to continue to improve. Henderson is a better player than most seem to think in my opinion. We already have a massive squad, it doesn't need to be bigger as far as I can tell. So if we were to get this CDM some seem to want, who makes way? Reality is Can and Henderson are the two most likely to be in the midfield role- which one gets the bench?


17 Jul 2016 09:09:24
RDL- why does one need to be benched? Didn't we play part of the Fleetwood game with a 4-1-4-1 formation? That's 5 midfielders mate lol.


17 Jul 2016 09:25:11
Can, Hendo will be our 1st choice, but what most on here don't seem to realise, is that in sport, players get injured or lose form.
At that point we need someone to be able to come in without weakening the team.
For us to buy new players, it doesn't mean we have to increase the size of the squad! It means we will sell and buy (replace players we sell) .
Most on here forget that we finished 8th last season. Other sides are improving their squads. If we keep ours the same, do you honestly think we will finish higher than 8th?
If you do, please explain to me why.
I love LFC, and I want to, and expect to see them do well. I also support and like the players we have/ had. But that's because they play/ played for LFC.
But as a supporter I also know that with football, you have to keep improving your play and squad.
Settling for what wasn't good enough last season and hoping we do better is false hope.
I feel we have a good 1st 11, but I can count the number of games we were able to choose that 1st 11.
So our back up players need to be of a quality to come in and do the job.


17 Jul 2016 09:21:22
Europe league final against Sevilla proved Can is not a Defensive midfielder nor any kind of sitting midfielder. I don't understand what people think we lost that final if not the bloody big hole in the midfield.


17 Jul 2016 10:26:22
We are improving . Matip, karius and mane plus a left back to come in are all improvements of the first team. A fitter sturridge, Henderson, origi and Ings will all be an improvement on our options last year. Half the games toward the end of the season we played reserves so we have every season to be optimistic. A full year with klopp will help too. Tell me if you think Southampton squad is stronger than ours? because if you don't then we obviously under achieved. That doesn't make the players bad just inconsistent.


17 Jul 2016 10:26:22
We are improving . Matip, karius and mane plus a left back to come in are all improvements of the first team. A fitter sturridge, Henderson, origi and Ings will all be an improvement on our options last year. Half the games toward the end of the season we played reserves so we have every season to be optimistic. A full year with klopp will help too. Tell me if you think Southampton squad is stronger than ours? because if you don't then we obviously under achieved. That doesn't make the players bad just inconsistent.


17 Jul 2016 10:56:29
GoT you think just because we lost 1 game last season that means Can, Hendo and Grujic are incapable of adapting their positioning forever?
That's it now, they are branded forever as "CAMs".
These are professional footballers, not pixels on a FM screen. They can adapt their game with coaching. It's not rocket science.


16 Jul 2016 19:07:21
I'm looking forward to flannaghan next season. I hope Clyne does leave Because we have a great lad in Flanagan . brilliant attitude and works his socks off. He has the ability and work ethic to be top class and is an excellent defender When he's fit and in form.
I also hope next season henderson brings his game up another level and scores a lot more goals.

Believable4 Unbelievable22

16 Jul 2016 19:26:18
Its great abd he is top but what if his knee goes again first game in?

We shouldn't buy to cover injuries etc but we can count on flanno yet. A season or 2 injury free of course we can but over the last 3 years he has had two big knee injuries.

Atleast clyne plays week in week out.


16 Jul 2016 20:22:54
Clyne is a better player than Flanno - even the flanno of before the injury. Unfortunately, as always here, the players who don't play much are considered to be the next messiah. On what basis you argue that that Flanno is working harder than Clyne? At least during matches Clyne never stops runing end to end. In any case hard work cannot come instead of quality and Clyne has more quality and fewer weaknesses than Flanno. I like Flanno and maybe in the future he can improve, at the moment Clyne is better and Flanno is not a top 4 level.


16 Jul 2016 20:47:55
Flanno all day long for me if he stays fit he plays. Positionally better not afraid to tackle and uses the ball well.
Clyne is a poor player and needs replaced imo he cannot defend or attack his only asset is his pace.


16 Jul 2016 21:15:58
Fanobip, got to disagree mate.

Clyne is faster, fitter, can hit the ball harder and is stronger.

Flanagan has a better reading of the game, better tackling, better positional awareness, much better passing, more composure on the ball, better control and even a better cross.

Clyne is a terrible footballer. But he is a supreme athlete and he works very hard. To even jokingly suggest he has more quality than Flanagan has dumfounded me though. Fair enough, you are entitled to your opinion and I cannot tell you you're wrong. However I remember a stage of last season where for 4 games in a row the very first time someone played a pass to Clyne In each game he miscontrolled it and conceded a throw in. The 4th game I actually threw my arms in the air and went to make a cup of tea because I couldn't even cope with it anymore!


16 Jul 2016 21:30:48
Clyne is in a different league to flanno who was given the run around against fleetwood and made 3 synical fouls all of which would've been bookings in a meaningful game. He can't even move atm and I've seen limos turn faster in cul de sacs before he was injured. He's far better at left back than right but still at his best he was close to clynes level there's no doubt but now it's gone like kelly.


16 Jul 2016 21:34:34
Clyne is the better footballer, defender and athlete than Flanagan. I am quite sure that Flanagan would have been shipped off a long time ago if it wasn't for the fact that he is a scouser, and LFC are being held back at some levels due to this sympathy.


16 Jul 2016 21:50:40
I don't think either player is good enough currently to be our first choice.


16 Jul 2016 22:28:54
Flanno at the club as he is a very good player not because of where he is from.


16 Jul 2016 23:31:51
I swear we have a Clyne debate every other day on this site. I've said it before and i'll say it again. Just because Clyne runs up and down the pitch should not fool anyone into thinking he is a good defender. Good athlete but Flanno is better then him in every other footballing aspect. Would not be suprised to see him replaced next season.


17 Jul 2016 00:39:00
I want a defender to defend first and foremost. All pro's are good athletes but the basics are to defend. Flanno all day over clyne.


16 Jul 2016 23:23:54
Only thing I worry is that we haven't seen Flanagan back at his best yet after the injuries. It varies for players also on how long it can take to rediscover form so I'm not sure if I'd have Flanagan as main choice yet. I'd keep clyne this season at the least until January and see how Flanagan and possibly wisdom progress over the next 6 months.


16 Jul 2016 23:10:58
What has Flanagan done that people are jumping from their seat? He did by kick a ball while last season and he has shown very little recently. 2 years ago he was good that's it. The Planet revolved twice around the Sun since.
If He wasn't a scouser he would gave been shipped years ago.


17 Jul 2016 00:45:06
Spot on dialkh2. I can only hope Ed001 is correct and Clyne is potentially getting replaced. I would actually go as far to say I prefer Moreno. At least Moreno can trap a pass. Neither can attack or defend but Moreno can do the basic of giving and receiving the ball!

I really like Clyne, but I just don't rate him at all. If all our players worked as hard and stayed as fit as he does, we'd win the league every year. But as I said on the Skrtel debate, giving 100% is a bare minimum I expect. Clyne relies too heavily on his athleticism to be a good player. He is the defensive equivalent to Shane Long. Quick, strong, never injured, more energy pound for pound than a bottle of Lucozade, but ultimately bang average football skills. It says a lot about his desire and effort that a player with such limited qualities made it to the top. In some games his engine almost makes up for his inefficiencies. But against top players he gets found out. Reus, Martial and Dennis Suarez are just a handful of players who ripped him apart last season.

Is Flanagan the answer? I'm not so sure. His quality is there for all to see, but he has been robbed of the little pace he had by these 3 years of crippling injuries, and his game has not had the chance to develop (due to the consistency of these injuries) for him to over come his physical short comings. I think he is a perfect back up to have. Passionate, hard working, a leader, will never moan etc. But he has a lot to prove if he wants to be our first choice. Either way, he is a better footballer and defender than Clyne for me. So I'll agree to disagree lads.


17 Jul 2016 00:58:31
Agreed Taffy. Just to clarify as well, I couldn't care less about players being scouse. I'm originally from a poxy little town called Irthlingborough. What allegiance to people born in a city 200 miles from my home town do I supposedly have?

Brannagan is a Manchester United fan born and bred in in Manchester. So surely by this logic we should hate him and pull him down as a player. To accuse the club and it's fans of what is essentially positive discrimination is grossly unfair and total BS.


17 Jul 2016 01:37:11
There has always been a sympathetic view towards local players at LFC at the academy level. Are you telling me that you have not noticed this? If you watch regular youth and U21 matches and follow their seasons, that much is plenty apparent. Rossitter and before him Coady and Spearing were viewed as the next Gerrard, Robinson, Morgan, Kelly etc are all recent examples.

I am not saying there is a clear or apparent prejudice, but that there is a strong inclination within the club to look for the next Gerrard, Fowler etc in local youth players who simply may not make that grade. And let's just be clear, I didn't "accuse" anyone.


17 Jul 2016 01:55:04
Clyne is the right back equivalent of Downing.
Very limited in his ability, crosses blindly, misses obvious runs, loses his man all the time.


17 Jul 2016 07:54:58
I'll take what his fellow professionals say about Flanno above any other opinion at this point.

For Suarez to dedicate space in his autobiography to him and state how difficult it is to face him in training speaks volumes.

He reminds me of Gary Neville, on the surface there is lots of limitations to his game but his primary goal is to stop his opponent getting past him, a commodity rarely seen in a full back these days. After this preseason with Klopp and the coaches I think we'll see him back to his best.


17 Jul 2016 09:05:13
Im not convinced we'll see the best of Flanno, I really like the lad and his attitude is spot on but I dunno somethings not the same, we all know he's been out a long while etc but its like he's regressed to me,
But while were here saying whose any good and who isn't don't forget people have this basic function called learning, and i for one will be happy to see how all the lads go on after a full pre season with Klopp, I suspect a lot of players will be on thin ice throughout pre season games and we'll soon get to know whose going to fit the system and who isnt, I see Wisdom now looks like he's off again and at 23 I don't see him returning, he's definiteky trimming the squad bit by bit and I still think were in for some surprises yet.


17 Jul 2016 13:56:50
As Ed has said, Flanno has physical issues that he's struggling to come back from due to his nasty injury. Whether he will come back the same or not, we don't know. We have seen what both Clyne and Flanno can do when fully fit and this is not even close, Flanno all day. Athletes don't make good footballers while good footballers don't make for good athletes. Also, if Clyne was that good, why is Klopp checking out other right backs in the TW?


16 Jul 2016 18:59:16
Any truth in the links with Talisca? seems like the type of player we might sign. Young underperforming player with great potential.

Believable1 Unbelievable12

{Ed002's Note - Search please.}

16 Jul 2016 18:43:49
Im really looking forward to seeing Grujic this season. Anyone else?

Believable13 Unbelievable13

16 Jul 2016 18:50:35
Yeah, he looks a quality footballer.


16 Jul 2016 18:38:29
Hi fellas,
I'm taking my 11yo daughter to her first match tomorrow away at Wigan. Hoping for a comfortable win and a few goals to keep her interested. Looking forward to seeing Grujic, Firmino and Mane too. Are the lads from the euros and the copa likely to make an appearance or are they still on their holidays?

Believable3 Unbelievable12

16 Jul 2016 23:48:11
Hope you and your daughter enjoy the game Gmac.


17 Jul 2016 11:20:52
Cheers Joe, I'm sure we will.
Thanks for all the disagrees fellas. nice!
YNWA.


16 Jul 2016 18:00:53
Having a lazy Saturday afternoon, I thought I'd search google to see how some of the academy prospects have got on since leaving Liverpool over the years. Really surprising to see players like Michael ngoo and Adam Morgan going from real prospects to literally having no clubs wanting to sign them. Both free agents.

I remember Morgan being touted by fowler as an amazing natural finisher, playing for the first team with a bright future in front of him! It really brings into context just how thin the line is between success and failure - what a difference a couple of years can make. Hopefully these kids get the education they need when young for life outside of football.

Can anyone else think of other promising youngsters, and where they've gone on to?

Believable3 Unbelievable12

16 Jul 2016 18:19:11
Ngoo was never a prospect he had 2 attributes height and strength he had no footballing qualities whatsoever. Morgan could finish but was vastly over rated simply because he's Scouse in the same way the likes of jack Dunn is now. If Dunn was from anywhere else on the planet he'd have been released years ago.


16 Jul 2016 18:49:26
Jezza Kyle I think that has to go down as one of the worst posts I've ever read on this site! Why on earth would the fact that he may or may not be scouse come into consideration when the club comes round to keeping player on the roster or not?


16 Jul 2016 19:33:11
Isn't it strange that supporters have a preference fro scouse players from Liverpool?

Exactly what I've whinged about for ages on here!

People just do not get it and our game has been ruined.


16 Jul 2016 17:42:40
Hi all just a question for ed01 how do you like the look of the squad at the moment in regards to who we have brought in. I'm happy with the signings and think it's important to trim the squad down

Not bothered about not getting zelinksi as we have so many midfielders, depends who goes looks like Allen and Lucas most likely

I would like to see a left back. Interest seems to have cooled on chillwell. I just wonder how moreno will improve with a season under klopp, he was highly thought of when he arrived with a lot of promise.

Believable0 Unbelievable12

{Ed001's Note - difficult to say, as I have not seen enough of the noobs to judge them, but I trust Klopp to have made the right choices. I am happy with things so far, only a left back needed for me.}

16 Jul 2016 18:06:29
Just curious Ed, why is Flanno not being looked to at LB as a potential solution? I'm not sure he's 100% yet but he did a fantastic job here in 13/ 14 while at RB we have a few other options to back up Clyne in Randall, or perhaps even Wisdom who can also backup CB until Gomez/ Sakho return.


{Ed001's Note - Flanno is better at right back, especially with the possibility of Clyne leaving.}

16 Jul 2016 18:29:32
Why would clyne leave ed?


{Ed002's Note - Try searching.}

16 Jul 2016 18:38:05
One thing is for sure, Flanno wouldn't cut it at first choice right back. His overlapping of the winger in attack is non existent - a key component in Klopps preferred setup. In reality he's a back up - we'd need to replace Clyne.


16 Jul 2016 18:40:27
Because despite being almost ever present last season, Clyne seems to have some issues which I don't think the Eds have clarified (or I've missed that bit) . I dislike whingers, hope it's either not true or he b*ggers off if he's not happy.


16 Jul 2016 19:13:22
Is there interest for Clyne though? I'd hope to at least get our money back and some if he was to leave.


16 Jul 2016 22:37:18
I've searched regarding Clyne leaving, and all I can find is Ed02 saying he's not a happy bunny. Any chance one of the Eds can tell us why? Thanks!


{Ed091's Note - because the red Cafu is back 👊🏼

16 Jul 2016 23:12:33
We need a top top midfielder, anyone who says we don't hasn't got a clue. Soon as Hendo gets injured and one of the kids has to play against the top teams in the league it will be the same as against Sevilla. I don't know why fans look past the glaring lack of real quality we have in centre midfield. An area where games are won and lost.


16 Jul 2016 23:46:07
If Clyne goes and we start with flanno as first choice rb all
You idiots thinking that will be better will be getting exactly what you asked for and it won't be pretty.

Clyne plays week in week out and does a solid if bit spectacular job.

I hope he stays.


17 Jul 2016 01:57:05
I think we'll be OK against the top teams but maybe not the top top teams or the top top top teams 😄.


16 Jul 2016 16:39:43
Does anyone know how to get the liverpool fixtures onto your iPhone calendar?
Usually there's a link on liverpoolfc. com fixtures/ results page but they've changed the website to a mobile site and the option to add fixtures to your calendar isn't there anymore.
Google isn't being very helpful.
Cheers.

Believable0 Unbelievable14

16 Jul 2016 17:00:25
i believe u can use the 'request desktop site' on your browser so it returns to the desktop site. hope this helps.


16 Jul 2016 18:20:36
I use the FootballCal app:

goo.gl/cgqsJV

It is free to download and then you pay to but the calendars you want. I can't remember the costs but about £1.50 to buy the LFC calendar. All fixtures go into your calendar and automatically update as fixtures get moved later in the season. Team sheet added when released an hour before kick-off and you can look back at earlier fixtures and see scores, scorers, line-ups etc.

I have no affiliation but used it last season for the first time and have already bought the 16/ 17 calendar.


17 Jul 2016 02:33:58
The link for the Outlook cal has an iCal subscription if that helps.


16 Jul 2016 15:59:29
Hi,
Is anyone going to the Barcelona game? If so, do you know if there are any supporters groups heading to certain pubs in London? From past memory it's not amazing around that area and we ended up congregating at a pub in Euston for the Carling cup final. I'm taking my bro for his birthday, so would be good to find somewhere with lots of singing etc.

Believable2 Unbelievable11

16 Jul 2016 16:11:03
Wembley is a hole Kate, after the game head towards Covent Garden or somewhere like that afterwards as there's plenty of nice places to eat and drink round there, at reasonable prices.


16 Jul 2016 16:16:54
Not going. was waiting on my cousin to get back to me and all sold out whe I went back online 😭 ah well ya snooze ya lose. Will have to get him to come to anfield a few times instead.


16 Jul 2016 16:25:25
To echo above, I'm going but don't know wembley that well. Anyone drinking before the game?


16 Jul 2016 16:30:34
Thanks for the replys. Just looking for somewhere decent. Every time I've been to Wembley it hasn't been great. Saying that tho, you know what us reds fans are like, there will probably be mini street parties all over the shop!

Ps, Frankly, I know London very well, just wondering where people are going. Thanks for the tip tho. 😀.


16 Jul 2016 16:49:34
Not able to do the Barcelona game but I am going to the ac Milan game in yankie land. Not very often I get the chance to seethem live anymore so I'm excited. Hope you all have fun at the Barcelona game!


{Ed002's Note - "Yankie land"? You have to be one truly pig ignorant MF.}

16 Jul 2016 17:02:55
LOL Ed 02 You Legend.


16 Jul 2016 20:40:28
FYI it's Yankee. I know cause I am one. Or Yank for short. I get called that a lot as I live in Florida but am from Pennsylvania.

YNWA
Matt.


16 Jul 2016 20:31:46
Ed002, as someone with such good connection to the USA, how is the game taking off over there? Is it competing well with the traditional American sports?


{Ed002's Note - I haven't lived in the USA for 35 years or so so the game has changed a lot since then. It is certainly popular across the board with men, women and kids - and it is popular as a spectator sport. The big difference is popularity has tailed off in the past and this time it is unabated.}

16 Jul 2016 21:12:31
I'm there, but with my 7yr old so not drinking before hand.
We live in the south so he's never seen Liverpool live, I've never known him so excited he's asking every day how long left to wait.


16 Jul 2016 21:30:11
Cheers ed! I have a couple of American friends in LA and they're obsessed with all things football. Even to the point they don't call it soccer!


{Ed002's Note - If they live in Los Angeles they will be complete flakes - stay well clear of them. I spent the lost summer of 1974 living in the Hollywood Hills with my girlfriend of the time (and a whole bunch of others - Father Yod et al) and I stay clear of LA unless I really must go.}

16 Jul 2016 22:21:51
Ed002, bet your record collection is right up my street.


16 Jul 2016 23:03:33
Bills Hicks once described it as "Hell-A" do you also believe it should make way for Arizona Bay, ed002?


{Ed002's Note - THat would help.}

16 Jul 2016 15:02:51
Top Ten selling players shirts, info from the LFC Club Store, Anfield

1 Coutinho
2 Firmino
3 Mané
4 Sturridge
5 Can
6 Llanana
7 Origi
8 Henderson
9 Clyne
10 Sakho.

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16 Jul 2016 16:26:05
I'm pretty certain 'Zeddicus' is up there, I buy 3 a year!


16 Jul 2016 16:30:42
I feel for the poor sods walking around with 'Llanana' on their back surely someone noticed the spelling error?


16 Jul 2016 16:40:04
Poor Joe.


16 Jul 2016 18:42:00
Hmmm, think shirt buying should wait till the window closes just in case.


16 Jul 2016 20:32:14
Yeah I've got a Zeddicus one too, should be on the list.


16 Jul 2016 14:48:07
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{Ed002's Note - You have to stop trying to put words in to my mouth - the final warning or we will delete your account. I am sick to death of your posts asking over and over about things which have been answered.}

16 Jul 2016 13:36:29
How come us and United are playing Wigan in the same weekend, is this normal for pre season?

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16 Jul 2016 13:52:05
We play Mainz the day after we play Barca. I believe United once played 2 preseason games on the one day.


16 Jul 2016 17:47:03
So did Chile under Bielsa towards the 2010 World Cup.


16 Jul 2016 13:35:41
Ed002 - could you tell me what the plans are for the following breaking out player if possible?
- Ryan Kent
-Lloyd Jones
- Harry Wilson
- Kevin Stewart
- Cameron Brannagan
- chirrelvella
- Shey Ojo

Thanks eds.

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{Ed002's Note - There won't be plans unless they are to go on loans. They will appear for the U19s, reserves and make, in the cases of Brannagan and Ojo, may get opportunities as part of the match day squad.}

16 Jul 2016 13:28:36
If reports are to be believed, which we all know they shouldn't, we've been priced out for a move for chilwell this summer and will look into him again next summer (very rarely do we go back for a player we where looking to buy previously) and zielinski is of to Milan after his preferred move to Liverpool just couldn't materialise.

Personally, I would have preferred other targets, or so called other targets, anyway so I'm not too displeased about missing out if reports are true. But at this stage I would just want the players that are wanted brought in and to build from now. We definitely need a left back, that is a necessity. As for midfield, well we will either keep certain players mooted to leave or use some of the younger players we have, which is a risk but sometimes a risk worth taking, so I'm interested to see how this all materialises.

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16 Jul 2016 23:37:59
Bezt now move to 5th choice and try again then.


16 Jul 2016 23:38:48
I am quite happy we aren't buying Zielinski and for the money Udinese would command only from us courtesy of our piss poor attitude. Dahoud ain't happening either. This would open up the gates for the search of another Player and I for one pray we actually sign one top class CDM.


16 Jul 2016 12:41:11
Alright eds and reds. Just thought I'd ask people's opinion on Zonal vs Man Marking from set pieces. Which is the better of the two if not a combo of both?

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{Ed001's Note - combo.}

16 Jul 2016 14:27:46
It's all an opinions game. I prefer a combo. Usually a man on each post to defend that area, then man mark the runners.

Some managers either go 100% man marking or 100% zonal.

There is no definitive answer to which is best though. A lot of to depends and how well it is implemented and applied!


16 Jul 2016 16:29:40
Adams last comment is most pertinent here - it's the application that matters, and the players!

I remember when Rafa arrived and put in place a zonal marking system. The commentators and pundits were all talking about how t wouldn't work. However, we did have the best defensive record for a couple of seasons when using it, once it had bedded in! As we did do in the Houllier years with (from memory) man to man.

However, our centre backs during those eras where Hyppia and Henchoz, and then Carra and Agger. Make of that what you will!


16 Jul 2016 16:51:17
I personally like Zonal marking and would prefer we go back as in Rafa days.

Now a days it does not matter we let in goals anyways. So why not try zonal as strategy as a change.

Cheers.


16 Jul 2016 17:53:06
There is no definite solution as both or either can be used used effectively. The main thing is to be a well drilled defence where you have the right personnel and everyone knows their jobs. This takes time and work on the training pitch. When I played, I knew where I needed to be while attacking or defending set pieces because we worked on them in training. It just seems coaches don't do enuff of this anymore and players often dock the aerial challenges and don't show enuff heart and fight to win the ball.


16 Jul 2016 10:46:33
Hey lads I'm just wondering if there is any signs that Matip or any other cb might be a vocal leader in our defence like a Jamie C or a John Terry. An organiser who makes sure everyone is where they should be during matches. I think we are missing this in our players and we need someone who the other players have a fear of if they don't do their job right. A fear of a bollocking goes a long way sometimes and gets everyone to lift their game.

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16 Jul 2016 11:13:50
I would hope Sakho and Lovren are both leaders.

Lovren was signed for that reason, and Sakho captained PSG as a teenager.


16 Jul 2016 11:43:37
in the absence of any vocal defenders then the keeper should certainly step up.


16 Jul 2016 12:29:29
Karius seems to have the right attitude to help be a voice at the back.


16 Jul 2016 12:22:08
I guess Lovren is in the time of his career where he should be looking to establish himself as a prominent CB. He should be organizing as it stands.


16 Jul 2016 13:51:40
I've not seen sakho or lovren take on this role as yet. Maybe karius might be a more vocal keeper but I still think one of the cb should take on this role. is believe one of the defenders should be strong enough within the group to be vocal and make the others aware of what's going on around them. Moreno for one would benefit from a leader beside him who's not afraid to dish out a bollocking when it's needed to try help his positioning. Far too often we have been caught out with players in wrong positions or making wrong decisions at key parts of a match. It just seems these type of personalitys are a dying breed at the top level.


16 Jul 2016 17:58:43
They're a dying breed because players of today don't wanna take responsibility for anything but want the credit for everything. We need defenders who not only talk the talk but walk the walk, they can be leaders by example. Sahko,
Lovre and Matip are experienced defenders who need to step up, be accountable and hold others accountable as well. Klopp must take the lead here, IMO.


16 Jul 2016 10:36:26
I think we can presume that China is now not an option for Balotelli.

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16 Jul 2016 18:00:25
Ed has said Sampdoria is interested and he is interested as well however, there's an issue that has to be resolved.


16 Jul 2016 10:34:53
Ed1,

In your opinion do you think that after we sign a left back we will be done for the Window?

It appears that, in terms of incoming players at least, it's a case of evolution rather than revolution.

I think that is a sensible approach, especially considering how bloated last year's squad was.

Cheers.

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{Ed001's Note - depends on who leaves.}

16 Jul 2016 12:23:44
I expect a CM to arrive apart from a LB. Both Lucas and Allen would be sold to balance the squad and wages.


16 Jul 2016 20:52:08
I think lucas will be kept due to his versatility of covering midfield and defence and the quality he has in both roles.


16 Jul 2016 09:52:05
Right after klopps latest statement, we have had confirmation he comes on this site haha.

Lets start backing the player we sign, stop maoning about who we don't sign and who others are signing.

For me i'm ezciting anyway because his signings are improving us from last year which is only a plus.

Hopefully we get 1 or 2 more in, a competant lb is a must and the second at this moment would just be coric because i want him not beccesarily.

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15 Jul 2016 23:37:42
I have a question for the Eds if that's cool? Was just wondering whether a football club's media departments during pre-season are made aware of players who do and don't feature in the managements plans, for example if they will be sold etc., in order to focus their efforts on players who will be sticking about for website and/ or social media interviews and features?

Cheers!

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{Ed001's Note - no.}

16 Jul 2016 08:08:42
Good question mate. Often wondered that. You always hear of people making assumptions based on pre season shoots etc.


 
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