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06 Jun 2017 23:19:49
Most of the teams I've seen proposed I like the look of. I would remind you that klopp loves lallana and most have him on the bench. I think he will be in his team. Where. I have no idea. Will depend on the formation obviously and if he goes for another midfielder. Not many of these players Klopp has purchased so there's a few that should be worried.
06 Jun 2017 22:16:55
Just to take away from the transfers for a bit. What is the opinion now of Rodgers qualities as a manager following Celtics invincible treble season. He became a bit of a joke here towards the end of his time and everyone wanted rid.
SPL maybe a dire league, but this hasn't been done and he still had to motivate to continue the run when there was no need (as in title bagged etc) .
Just wondered if eds and people have changed their opinion on him, whether he has gained respect or not.
{Ed007's Note - After years of reading all you guys slating Rodgers I wasn't overly excited when we appointed him but he has the whole place buzzing, winning trophies and playing good football AND finally we have a manager that the board are listening to and backing. He seems to think before opening his mouth now and has reigned in his ego too which can only be a good thing.
I know you all look down your nose at Scottish football but to win a treble without losing a game is some achievement in any league imo.}
06 Jun 2017 22:35:20
In short not really, when he was brought in I felt a real sense of pride having a norn irish manager in charge, that quickly went when the sun beds and whitened teeth appeared. I think once he'd got the job he felt like he'd made it, never a good thing.
06 Jun 2017 22:38:33
I would agree ed. I go to some Celtic games because my dad is a huge fan and originally from Glasgow and the whole mood has changed. I personally feel that the Scottish league is very poor but as you said to not lose a domestic game throughout a whole season is a brilliant acheivement, whether that is La liga, Premier league or Sunday League and he deserves credit for what he has achieved. Although I am not a Rodgers fan I any sense, I can put my opinion of him to the side and say he's done a fantastic job up there.
06 Jun 2017 22:57:12
Ambivalent, outside of our almost season he wasn't very good for us and winning the Scottish league in a one horse race is nothing to shout about. I do think he's notched Celtic up a level, but he's a good coach, I'd wager most of the lower-mid table managers would do similar things with Celtic because they're good coaches.
Can't fault what he's doing up there but I still think he's several steps below the top managers, notwithstanding his interviews or press conferences. If Chelsea, City, Utd, Spurs or Arsenal got him as manager I really wouldn't be worried.
{Ed025's Note - the secretary,s husbands might be though imred.. :)
06 Jun 2017 23:00:04
You're right 007. His achievements this past season is nothing to be sniffed at. I think he is achieving his potential that warranted his LFC appointment.
06 Jun 2017 23:13:07
Ed007, credit where credit is due but it is not like anyone in the SPL is going to overthrow Celtic irrespective of who their manager is.
Rodgers comes back to the EPL and it is business as usual.
07 Jun 2017 06:48:12
Martin O'Neill won the treble at Celtic and i think did ok in the CL before moving on. Would you have taken him at Liverpool Max Renn?
{Ed001's Note - O'Neill did it with some opposition to face as well, unlike Rodgers, who has absolutely nothing to beat but complacency. If he had progressed in Europe, then he would have achieved something worthwhile. Otherwise, all he has done is make his team concentrate for a full season.}
06 Jun 2017 21:23:52
Hey eds how's it going jus wondering if there a possibility of an update regarding salad and vvd people saying we have agreed a fee for sale but not seen any proof yet mate and vvd sounds like we were close to signing him but then we get reported for tapping up does it look like the deal could still go through am a big fan of him an would be a great addition to our squad thanks eds keep up the good work.
{Ed025's Note - i think things will become a bit clearer over the next couple of days greys, its a bit up in the air at the moment with news of covert deals and tapping up allegations, stay tuned mate we will try and update you all as soon as things become clearer..
06 Jun 2017 21:55:44
Salad yummy yummy in my stomach.
{Ed025's Note - or even tummy.. :)
06 Jun 2017 21:59:38
Thanks pal out transfer activity is never straight forward jus a bit worrying Salah not through door yet.
06 Jun 2017 22:01:40
Sorry im not down with the kids and all their latest trends, i zig one way they zag another.
06 Jun 2017 22:55:55
I'm sure the Eds will lettuce know when there's anything fresh to report. 😏.
06 Jun 2017 23:39:36
We need to make sure Salah's price doesn't rocket.
We should also be asking Square Tomato for an update.
We must ensure we stay cool as a cucumber during the negotiations.
And that Salah's wages are enough of a carrot for him.
Apologies for being so corn-y
And to all the other teams who want to steal our prime targets, come and avacado if you think you're hard (boiled egg) enough 💪💪
😀😎.
07 Jun 2017 06:19:02
Zed
I see old age is taking quite a toll on you.
07 Jun 2017 08:31:52
Zeddicus: A man after my own heart.
Lettuce hope our resolve doesn't wilt.
06 Jun 2017 21:22:30
Lfc being very quiet regarding Southampton accusations.
Thought someone would of said some by now.
Hope we sign vvd 😉.
06 Jun 2017 21:50:39
Best thing to do is to say nothing. So silence at this time is golden.
06 Jun 2017 22:03:38
First time I've agreed with you Frankly!
06 Jun 2017 22:04:27
Southampton seem to be making a habit of reporting clubs for illegal approaches - Clyne, Shaw, Alderweireld and now VVD.
In the 3 previous cases, nothing happened, so we will see how this goes.
One would think after the shenanigans with the Stoke kid and being warned off Dempsey, as poorly run as we are, surely we are not that idiotic!
06 Jun 2017 23:40:04
It's becoming a bit cry wolf.
07 Jun 2017 01:34:02
If you throw enough s**t some will stick
The people in charge need to be careful get their act together and follow the rules clearly.
06 Jun 2017 21:07:08
Eds 1, 2 and 25 along with Macca thank you for all your work last few days.
Silly season is up on us along with my 40th birthday and the birth of my daughter it really is all systems go at present! Any birthday presents for me in terms of good news transfer wise?
{Ed025's Note - your welcome ...have a great birthday and congrats on the little one mate im sure she will bring you happiness and joy like you never believed....that is until she,s about 17 of course.. :)
06 Jun 2017 21:32:06
Listen to the Ed Higgins I was 40 yesterday and my 20 year old daughter is expecting my first grandchild next month! At least you have a little way to go until that happens ;-) Good luck mate and happy birthday 🎂.
06 Jun 2017 23:11:54
Congratulations.
06 Jun 2017 20:34:55
I'd be delighted if we signed Mendy.
06 Jun 2017 20:48:39
Nicky we need to tap him up first 😜.
{Ed025's Note - good stuff ace.. :)
06 Jun 2017 20:59:03
Would be extremely dissapointed if normall services weren't resumed Acered 😎.
06 Jun 2017 21:03:53
Too soon, some of us are having panick attacks 😂😂 transfer are not for the light-hearted.
06 Jun 2017 20:10:38
Hi All,
I believe what macca says and i look forward to seeing VVD in a liverpool shirt. To people saying its too much, you need to remember in todays market prices are crazy!
we need quality so we can compete on all fronts and not have only one season back into the champions league.
What i would love to see is for mendy to come in and have gomez as the back up as well!
I know people have thrown out the idea of josh tymon possibly i haven't seen him but if he comes in i will support him!
Seperately, do you think we will see quite a few of our youngsters who are 20/ 21 being sold off rather than loaned or kept. so that our younger generation can push through etc?
06 Jun 2017 19:54:17
What's all this fuss about mbappe! Not seen much of him apart from YouTube with normally overhypes a player.
Yes he has skill and looks a clever player but seriously £100m plus? Has nobody learnt from the mistake Man U made with martial, he's a kid.
06 Jun 2017 20:35:30
Not may clubs will be able to afford Mbappe but whoever wants to sign him will pay dearly.
The money which UTD paid for Martial will seem like petty cash compared to what Mbappe's contract and transfer fee will cost.
{Ed025's Note - hes miles better than martial though max..
06 Jun 2017 20:46:50
I agree with the ed 025 . He's only 18 and he's rip Europe apart he could become one of best players in the world one day ( 5 years.
06 Jun 2017 20:56:23
Basically good players will only get more and more expensive. If VVD had another good season with Southampton next year he'd be well out of our price range. So like it or not, sometimes you just have to bite the bullet and cough up.
06 Jun 2017 21:04:22
Ed025, the kid is only 18. One way of ruining his career is to make him the highest paid youngster in the world ever and let him carry an exorbitant price tag at that age. It is ridiculous what clubs are doing to to some of their young players.
You just need to look at someone like Markovic. One of the highest rated young players before we signed him and is heading for a scrappy career. There are so many examples of high profile young players being left to the vultures.
Good luck to the lad.
{Ed025's Note - no argument from me max, but as me and jonny skies were just saying he could be rested for all cup games and even a few easier league games and studge could fill in for them....get shut of that klopp and i will sort your side out mate.. :)
06 Jun 2017 21:38:25
As if there is this guarantee that Mbappe will just walk into the next team and fart with it smelling like fresh flowers?
Kid that young going to the dentist for a mouth full of gold plated teeth.
Again, good luck to him.
06 Jun 2017 19:21:52
So fingers crossed the VVD deal goes through leaving us with 5 CB. Is there any chance that Gomes could be used at left back? Seem to remember him doing well there a couple of years ago.
{Ed002's Note - I don't see why not but Liverpool have been actively looking for a LB.}
06 Jun 2017 19:07:17
Just wanted to say thank you too all the eds, especially ed001, ed002 and ed025 for all their hard work and for putting up with us everyday.
{Ed002's Note - Post of the day.}
06 Jun 2017 18:56:24
Apparently Celtic inserted a sell on clause when VVD moved to Southampton.10% of the fee Soton sell him for will need to go to Celtic.
So it could be Soton's asking price plus 10% which Liverpool are probably showing the finger at.
I pretty much see the rumours of £70m for VVD being true. Daylight robbery if you had to ask me.
Now Soton are sitting in a situation where the player only wants to join Liverpool. The player should win this battle in the end. I doubt Soton can keep a player which has infuriated their fans at the level he has :-)
06 Jun 2017 19:36:29
Loads of players have sell on fees, they have known that since the day they bought him. The buying club don't cover this.
And 10% of £60m is not £10m.
06 Jun 2017 19:45:03
I am not saying 10% of £60m is £10m.
I did not mention £60m either. There were rumours days ago that it will be £70m or nothing for VVD.
Whatever the fee may be, Soton will be looking to avoid paying the 10% from their pocket adding it to the price they want to sell him for.
That is why no fee has been agreed yet.
06 Jun 2017 18:38:51
There is not one transfer window which goes without drama when it comes to Liverpool.
Days of our lives.
06 Jun 2017 19:18:09
January window? Nothing happened.
06 Jun 2017 19:12:07
Very True
Falcon Crest.
06 Jun 2017 19:29:12
Yes and what a great january the club had partly down to the squad lackin in depth.
06 Jun 2017 19:30:34
Hahaha. Yes, as long as we don't sign anyone we don't anger anyone. Bravo!
06 Jun 2017 18:24:23
I just read the rumours about City veing close to completing a deal for Bertrand. If true would that leave us as the closest suitor to Mendy, if we match the asking price that is?
06 Jun 2017 18:55:36
We shouldve gone for bertrand. wanted him before he went to saints and we got moreno.
06 Jun 2017 18:05:55
Hi Eds, could we offer Southampton more money not to follow up on the complaint, or is now its been logged the prem will have to follow up on it.
Thanks.
{Ed002's Note - I am not aware that there is any agreement over the fee - although everyone is telling me that there is and someone has said on Twitter what the fee is and Macca has already confirmed the deal has been done. So I cannot really help.}
06 Jun 2017 18:29:17
Classic, get done for bribery aswell 😂.
06 Jun 2017 18:39:13
So in actual fact ed, im not calling him out but Macca is not quite right as VVD is not a done deal is it.
{Ed002's Note - Not a question for me - everyone keeps telling me it is a done deal which Macca has confirmed and that Liverpool are paying £x to Southampton and £x to the player each week.}
06 Jun 2017 18:58:52
Cheers ed. I have not been one of those people but I do hope we sign him mate after all that's been said. Thanks for your reply.
06 Jun 2017 19:07:02
I just want to say now, don't start this ed002 vs macca crap again. If I'm allowed to say, both are extremely resourceful in respected fields. It's probably best to not answer ( like you're doing ) on vvd, 002. But you know that, you're a lot wiser than me :)
06 Jun 2017 19:25:29
Macca actually did a follow up post confirming what he meant was that VVD has agreed to join LFC ahead of City and Chelsea and not that the deal is done. hope this clarifies matters.
{Ed002's Note - Chelsea did not see value in the asking price so they were no an option so that makes little sense. So is Macca confirming the illegal approach to van Dijk - that is quite interesting.}
06 Jun 2017 19:52:27
Benny. You don't need to tell me pal not to start a Macca v Eds because that's not what i am about. I have full respect for them all.
06 Jun 2017 19:39:55
To be fair Ed002, macca has actually never stated fees to club or player unless I've missed something and also said by done he means that van dijk has chosen us over city? Don't understand why there is a friction between you both, your both very much appreciated and reliable. No need for it I don't think.
{Ed002's Note - Where did I in any way imply that Macca had said anything about fees? Where did I say there is friction?}
06 Jun 2017 20:12:32
I really don't know ed02 and don't know enough to comment if it was an illegal approach! If it was we only have ourselves to blame. Anyhow, may i just say you're knowledge is insane and thank you and the other eds for the knowledge / info you all pass on. If you're ever in the sunniest place in the British Isles give me a shout :)
{Ed002's Note - Thanks.}
06 Jun 2017 14:34:18
Ed am i right? Saints say we have not contacted them re vvd, we've said nothing about him, vvd has said nothing, but sky sources and other media outlets have claimed without proof vvd prefers us and that's the basis of saints asking the premier league to investigate?
{Ed002's Note - You are asking the wrong person.}
06 Jun 2017 17:41:49
I wish Flanagan had have been in klopps plans. Worked his ass off to improve and had a fantastic attitude. I truly thought we had a solid possibly top class right back for the next decade. I thought a lot of flannaghan. Same with Kelly before his injury.
I hope young Arnold continues to work hard, stays focused and takes the right back slot eventually. I want young players in the academy to be apart of our future because we've produced noone especially special since Gerrard.
06 Jun 2017 17:48:11
We have produced plenty but none could emulate, Gerrard, Carra, Owen or Fowler. TAA has a future at Liverpool. I am certain.
06 Jun 2017 17:20:07
I apologize if this question seems to actually be about Southampton, but I see it as very relevant to the current VVD transfer and I am VERY curious if any Eds have an opinion or insight into this.
Anyway, season after season the Saints have to deal with players wanting to leave. Lovren, Fonte, Van Dijk and others. Surely that is just normal for a cub of their size and yet they keep getting the hump about it and complaining about other clbs dealings. I just read Fonte's intervie with Souness and it seems they didn't really do right by him and Lovren maintains his innocence and I know Alderweireld was only on loan there, but they had some issue with that as well. So Eds, have yous got any clue if it's sour grapes or just a tactic to get maximum value for them or if indeed Southampton are the injured party in some or all of these dealings? I would love to know what you think about this issue and transfer etiquette in general.
Thanks very much in advance.
{Ed001's Note - it is a mix of things, none of it is simple. Each case is a separate one in its own rights, with two different viewpoints, neither truly correct. Fonte was a bit of an arse, but they had promised he could leave for the right move, which he feels was offered. None of the dealings are really the same, though, in essence, the big clubs bully the smaller clubs and the smaller clubs then bully the even smaller clubs in turn, so it is difficult to have sympathy with anyone. They are all as bad as each other and a bit of integrity is very badly missed in football.}
06 Jun 2017 17:44:56
Spot on, Ed. The clubs just accuse others of doing the same things they would do if the roles were reversed, in essence so no one goes home like a saint in these cases.
06 Jun 2017 18:05:46
nice pun.
06 Jun 2017 18:33:20
Let's all remember this when Barcelona start messing with us about Coutinho.
06 Jun 2017 18:23:04
That's great Ed001. Thanks for taking the time to give a real response. It seems to me that with player-power these days stuff like this is becoming 'part' of football. I never like to see a player agitating for a move, but surely common sense would suggest that it's only natural since, like-it-or-not, a certain hierarchy does exist and they will always want to climb the ladder (while getting paid squillions of course) . So, a club like Southampton for example should expect and account for it. I must add that I really admire the way the Saints have managed to manage things since their return to the Prem by consistently making good money on sales and replacing them (usually) with successful players, not to mention their academy. Although, my advice would be to keep Claude Puel. Sacking him would be a mistake imo.
Thanks again Ed001, and I just hope this current 'saga' doesn't get ugly.
{Ed001's Note - they do account for it, but they just want to get what they consider fair value for their players.}
06 Jun 2017 19:35:20
Well that is fair enough. So the whole thing is just a bit of a song and dance really. I imagine there must be a whole load of unofficial stuff going on behind the scenes that we never hear about that. Oh to be a fly on the wall in a boardroom at times like these.
06 Jun 2017 16:49:54
How is it that everybody knew that talks were ongoing between possibly 3 clubs and his agent and it is only now that Southampton are bringing this up?
06 Jun 2017 17:47:12
Red One, Ed01 said that City got permission to speak to VVD. LFC did not but the agent came to us so the club may have thought that Saints gave permission which is was the investigation will bear out. Either way, we should have covered our bases and made sure Saints knew about the contact by his agent to us first.
{Ed002's Note - This is nonsense. There is nothing whatsoever stopping an agent talking with a club - no permission is needed at all.}
06 Jun 2017 21:40:24
Ed002 at what point does it become tapping up? If say a players agent approaches a club and the club declare an interest should talks stop there. Or are clubs able to sell themselves further to make them the players first choice?
{Ed002's Note - Agents touting players to clubs happens all of the time. That is not tapping up. Having direct contact with a player without the permission of his club is tapping up. If an agent takes a player to a meeting with the club then the agent will be in serious trouble and the club will also be in trouble even if they did not know the player was to attend (as in the case with Chelsea and Ashley Cole). A first infraction in the Premier League would normally end in a fine (as in the case with Everton when they were found to be tapping up Jamaal Lascelles).}
06 Jun 2017 16:49:01
What's your view on the mendy transfer macca?
06 Jun 2017 17:00:31
I hope the saints do repot us for 2 reasons.
Firstly for too long has our rep for buying and form of negotiating been a laughing stock. Needs addressed
Secondly. maybe if the saints get upset as fulham did, we will look somewhere else for players insted of returning to the south coast year after year after year.
Altho i hope we get vvd :)
06 Jun 2017 17:21:50
Lets hope the new ceo addresses this there a host of things that need lookin at in the recruitment of players from scouting to how we go about getting deals done.
06 Jun 2017 16:42:17
Don't worry about all this VVD nonsense I have it on good authority that Klopp asked permission to take him to the cinema last month and it was granted. Southampton are just annoyed that they sat on the back row and ended up back at Klopp's gaff afterwards 👍.
06 Jun 2017 16:53:52
Well they went for Baywatch premiere.
06 Jun 2017 18:02:17
Perhaps we'll see Klopp running down the touch line in red shorts bay watch style when VVD scores the winner at OT this season! ;-)
06 Jun 2017 17:47:56
Or was it Wonder Woman?
06 Jun 2017 16:31:38
Anyo e though maybe sky are trying to drum up some betting.
To join city now is 6/ 1 and stay at southampton is 6/ 1.
If maccas said its done then its done. Simple.
06 Jun 2017 16:47:30
The deal with Van Dijk is done not the deal with Southampton.
06 Jun 2017 16:04:33
Am I right in saying that this is probably just Southampton trying to save their reputation. Also does this mean that the transfer will still go through?
06 Jun 2017 16:47:13
I think they wanted to start a bidding war.
For one reason or another VVD won't entertain moving to anywhere else.
Innocent until proven guilty. Reported to the Premier League is no proof of guilt.
06 Jun 2017 17:02:14
More likely they are doing it to strengthen their bargaining position. Now that he has stated he wants lfc there is no bidding war. However, whether permission was implied or not the onus was on lfc to check. Its so amateurish its laughable. So that's that transfer gone and potentially more if this nonsense keeps on happening.
06 Jun 2017 17:03:35
Graeme Kelly thinks its just a ploy by Saints to appease their fans and of course they will be p****d that VVD made his choice of club point blank clear which prevented a bidding war. We will get VVD, a lot of reliable sources say so and I believe them. LFC want VVD, VVD wants LFC and I do not see Saints having anything that can stop the inevitable happening.
06 Jun 2017 15:44:18
Meant to instant gratification society sorry lads.
06 Jun 2017 15:43:33
Thank you Macca for the insight, for me personally it's amazing to be able to get a hint let alone inside information, this morning when it said " " was that southampton have complained I didn't think damn macca you lied to us, hence why it's please don't stop giving us info, some fans are just impatient when it comes to certain club ongoings that's all we love in an instant gratification.
06 Jun 2017 14:23:26
Hi Ed's,
regarding the VVD issue and Southampton reporting us.
If found guilty do you know what our potential punishment could be?
will we recieve a transfer ban?
sounds like simular to the Ashley Cole situation in 2005 except klopp hasn't met up with VVD.
{Ed001's Note - no idea sorry.}
06 Jun 2017 14:20:31
Ed01 your thoughts on VVD tapping up. please say something to cool all of us😱😱.
{Ed001's Note - I don't know enough to comment on the situation yet mate.}
06 Jun 2017 14:28:39
Haven't saints got a habit of this ed?
{Ed001's Note - of what? Of having their players tapped up? Or complaining about having their players tapped up?}
06 Jun 2017 14:42:34
They did it with united and spurs, nothing happened.
06 Jun 2017 15:12:59
Is it classed as tapping up if Liverpool contacts his agent, and says they would like to sign him.
06 Jun 2017 16:19:26
Is it really? I thought tapping up was informing the player directly by a member of another club.
So in this case it's the news that Klopp has spoken to VVD and ' sold his vision'. He can't without Saints permission. Now VVD wants to join us, he's been turned without permission.
We would not want Barcelona manager having a chat with Coutiniho. I'm surprised Neymars constant noise isn't classed as tapping up, but I guess his position at the club isn't classed as someone influential to purchase like a manger is so it's allowable.
{Ed001's Note - Neymar is in the realms of tapping up, but UEFA would never bother taking their precious Barca or Real Madrid to task.}
06 Jun 2017 16:22:32
It's one thing I will never understand - it is ok to tell a players agent to say you want to sign him, but not the player directly. Really is splitting hairs as far as I can tell. And to confuse it even more, players will also talk to other players - is it on behalf of the club or not? Is it just having a chat? Who knows, but how one club can be punished and another not is a mystery. I would guess that no club in any league would be innocent by the letter of the law.
06 Jun 2017 19:13:15
Nick on the "players talking to other players" point, it may be tapping up by the letter of the law, but goes on regardless as Ed001 said about Neymar, for example.
As long as a player doesn't admit to doing it repeatedly at the behest of the club in a book, for example, I doubt there's much case to answer due to burden of proof.
Eh Stevie?
🙄🙄.
06 Jun 2017 14:10:15
Anyone else fed up with the constant three links between Liverpool and Lacazette! Been going for three years! Surely this ain't going to happen and is purely speculation!? Are we really in for a world class striker anyway?
06 Jun 2017 15:15:30
Lacazette ain't coming her, IMO.
06 Jun 2017 13:59:46
We have done an awful lot of business with Southampton. Surely if anything has happened it is all above board? In my opinion Something doesn't seem right with these reports.
06 Jun 2017 15:16:57
me neither, Hersey. They may have a point about their grievance but let's not just take their word for it as they clearly don't like us. Let's see what happens cos as always, there is their story, our story and the truth is somewhere in-between.
06 Jun 2017 13:57:11
Surely if what is being reported about Liverpool and VVD is true, Chelsea and City should also be involved in any investigation. It was only 48 hours ago City had agreed terms with VVD. Has the Agent given false info to the club making it believed Southampton are ok with the approach? This all seems very fishy to me. Thoughts?
{Ed001's Note - City did not agree terms with him, they withdrew from any attempt to sign him after he told them he wanted to join us.}
06 Jun 2017 14:19:42
If he told them that eds, then there was contact between the two parties, no?
{Ed001's Note - after they had sought permission to speak to him from Saints.}
06 Jun 2017 14:34:46
Ahhhhhhhh, I see. How the hell did we not do that, I mean virtually every mere fan on here knows you need permission. , it really isn't that difficult, is it?
06 Jun 2017 13:37:18
Eds, question away from VVD if I may. I see Kolasinic announced and in an Arsenal jersey.
My understanding is that nothing is 100% official until 1st July when the transfer window officially opens.
I've also read on here that if we sign Salah it's actually a pre agreement. Therefore we won't see him with a Liverpool jersey until 1st July.
Can you clear this up as I'm a little confused/ unsure.
{Ed001's Note - it is a pre-contract agreement, which can be broken/gazumped as has happened a few times in the past. That is why some clubs do not announce them until it is all completed and the player is registered as theirs.}
06 Jun 2017 15:07:26
Actually take Bernardo Silva for instance. You're saying technically another team could gazump city and sign him? that's mental.
06 Jun 2017 15:22:31
Willian was taken of Spurs medical table and went to Chelsea. Now that, is mental.
06 Jun 2017 15:46:59
Yeah but he didn't actually pose with a spurs jersey or ever be announced.
{Ed001's Note - it has happened within the last few years in Germany to a Bundesliga club. They announced a signing and had pictures on the website etc, then he changed his mind and signed for someone else altogether. It was incredibly embarrassing for them.}
06 Jun 2017 15:00:03
Cheers ed001. Who has it happened to before out of interest? What a kick in the nuts that'd be.
{Ed001's Note - I couldn't remember off the top of my head mate, I have been trying to think who it was.}
06 Jun 2017 13:35:51
Hi ed,
Please tell us do you feel vvd is good player over what we have.
Paying 60million feels too hefty price.
Thanks.
{Ed001's Note - he is an improvement over Lovren.}
06 Jun 2017 14:12:02
Ed's and other supporters.
I have refrained from posting much this transfer season but looks like this is going to be a very costly mistake from Liverpool if they sign up VVD.
Yes, he might be better than Lovren and Klavan. In fact anyone decent would be better than both but even if we get him for 30, it would come back to haunt us and Klopp.
Hopeful that we miss this one by hook or crook.
Nothing personal against VVD but the numbers makes look stupid if they are true.
Cheers.
06 Jun 2017 17:03:02
Why would it come back and haunt us.
06 Jun 2017 13:17:02
I hope we stick to 4 3 3 or even 4 4 2. Not convinced with the 3 4 3, especially if we sign salah. Mane and salah are best coming from the wing but are no wing backs. Diamond worked great against borough. Matip can play DM very well and with vvd coming it's an option and offers some height in our midfield.
06 Jun 2017 13:26:15
Mane and Salah wouldn't be wing backs they would be part of the front 3.
06 Jun 2017 13:52:04
And why would Klopp play 3 at the back? Lovren will take up the bench role.
06 Jun 2017 13:56:21
We were never playing the 3 at the back anyway except during in-game tactical switches so I don't think it will be an option from the start.
06 Jun 2017 12:49:03
Hi eds,
Cheers again for the hard work you do, especially during this period of the year. Couple of questions/ clarifications.
1.) What do we know specifically, if anything about the tapping up of VVD apart from the fact that they've complained?
2.) ED001 (I think? ) mentioned a deal for Mendy is still possible, though unlikely, but would require Monaco to lower their price and enter negotiations. Does this mean the rumours we heard about him agreeing personal terms with us, only for us to change them on him were inaccurate? (Heard we did the same to VVD? )
3.) Lastly, are you aware of how far away Liverpool and Roma are on their valuation of Salah? Are Roma known to be open to negotiations or will they likely by sticking to whatever price they originally told us? If its the latter, would this likely be a deal breaker for Liverpool?
Thanks again guys.
{Ed001's Note - 1. Right now nothing as I have been out all day and am only editing via phone.
2. I have not heard those rumours nor do I believe there to be anything in them.
3. No idea.}
06 Jun 2017 13:24:24
Cheers mate, hopefully we'll find out soon.
06 Jun 2017 12:50:53
ED01 quick question mate, what's your take on the transfer fees?
Is it a case of going with the flow and paying where the markets are and making investments as they add value to your business, or is it more a move to satisfy fans with marquee signings.
I reckon a lot of the transfer records will be shattered this summer.
Either way very excited if and when it all happens. My concern isn't really the transfer fees if we win trophies come next summer. I also trust Klopp with not being the kind to spend just for the heck of it.
{Ed001's Note - there is more money to spend so transfer fees go up. It is not about marquee signings for the fans.}
06 Jun 2017 12:32:01
Have Liverpool even spoken to Van Dijk? Or only his agent? If only his agent then it can't be tapping up can it?
06 Jun 2017 14:00:16
Robin, nobody really knows at this time but many think that the Saints are just mad that there will not be a 3 way bidding war (meaning more money for them) for VVD as he seems to have squashed that plan by picking us outright over City and Chelsea.
Also, there are reports that Pep and Conte spoke with him and his agent too and the Saints don't seem to be mad about that so why are they mad now? I know they don't like us and I get it but we shall see if this comes to anything.
06 Jun 2017 12:47:32
With Man City about to sign bertrand does that mean we are in pole postion to get Mendy from Monaco as long as we can agree a fee? Do you think it is likely a deal could be done? I know you have said he is very keen to come to us.
06 Jun 2017 13:06:25
Lol let's sort out the potential tapping up issue mate.
06 Jun 2017 12:17:24
Maybe im wrong but didn't we ask southampton about VVD In march? did we really make a dodgy move or are southampton trying to appease their fans by seemingly fighting the transfer? Really hope we haven't been naughty again.
06 Jun 2017 12:55:42
I would like to know what the rules actually are. I always thought it was illegal to discuss contractual issues with the player before an agreement had been reached with the club. But then I hear we've reached agreements with player x but not the club, so clearly I'm wrong. I usually hate all this administrative stuff, but I would be interested in hearing what the rules are when approaching a player.
06 Jun 2017 13:29:52
This is unreal. And pure financial manouevering by Southampton. VVD and LFC are linked in the media since 6 months. So there is no way that Southampton and LFC both didn't know what was going on, every step of the way. It's pure conjecture on my part, but I think FSG have tried their standard lowballing by saying, "hey, your player wants to come only to us and this is all we can pay, take it or leave it". And Southampton have simply replied "Oh really? We either get what we want, or our player goes nowhere because he is under contract, and you didn't follow procedure".
Either way, the fact that LFC can allow even the hint of another "tapping up" incident (regardless of whether it's true or not) is once again amateurish, at best. I wanted to praise Michael Edwards for getting difficult transfers done (VVD, Salah, and possibly others like Mendy, Lacazette) but it seems Adele has suddenly gone off tune. :-)
06 Jun 2017 14:10:20
Ra1969, no one really knows what happened so we will have to wait till the facts come out. Now based on the reports, there is no eveidence that Klopp met with VVD but there is evidence that he spoke to Klopp, like he spoke to Conte and Pep too but Saints ain't mad about that. Therefore, I would wait before passing judgement here cos we all know that the Saints don't like us and that VVD picking us may have ruined their plans for a bidding war which would only jack up the price for a player that every Saints fan and board member knew would leave.
06 Jun 2017 14:50:25
Sure, Brussels, I agree with you. Very few know the inside story and what really has been happening. Eventually, it may all come out. I was just "bantering" as a lot of us do. But you'll agree, things like this are not exactly good for our image, despite it being all about big business, big bucks and each side manoeuvering to get an advantage.
06 Jun 2017 15:26:08
They don't look good at all, Ra. I agree with you on that.
06 Jun 2017 13:32:13
I think Ed002 explained in detail a while back about it, might be worth a search. Also, I don't even think a club can approach a player about a potential deal without speaking to their club first, let alone arrange contractual details.
{Ed002's Note - If a club speaks to a player contracted to another club without permission then that is an illegal approach - or tapping up if you will. Liverpool have a history of making illegal approaches to players and escaped a certain ban by having to make an embarrassing apology whilst trailing slime behind them in 2012. They were warned twice in writing by other clubs last summer and have had a nan imposed this year for academy players where they asked the parents of a child to lie to an FA investigation. They also still have a pending court case in realtion to completely fowling up the future of a 13 year old. Macca has already explained the situation with van Dijk so perhaps we can move on from this.}
06 Jun 2017 12:16:58
If Chelsea or City approached this correctly, fair enough.
If not, surely they should be reported too
Am I mistaken, didn't we have a similar secenario with Clyne? I could be wrong.
06 Jun 2017 14:12:35
My point exactly, Nicky. Reports suggest that Pep and Conte spoke to VVD and his team as well but Saints aren't furious about that. I will say that we have been warned multiple times to stop at least showing a perception of tapping up players as two clubs at least (Fulham and Udinese) have us black-listed. Let's wait and see what happens.
06 Jun 2017 12:08:20
Ok. im a bit confused. if like macca says that the vvd deal is done, why are we being reported. cheers eds.
06 Jun 2017 12:23:55
If the deal was done it'd be announced the deal is not done.
06 Jun 2017 11:59:02
How the F**k can we be this stupid again if it is true. As a club we are made to look like absolute cowboys by what we do. Could get fined, transfer ban and it'll make it harder for us to deal with clubs in future. I hope to god it comes back from investigation above board. You would swear with us giving them hundreds of millions over past few years they would calm their diddies on such a thing. Likely scenario is that city went to saints to ask permission and it was granted and then Van Dijks rep said to Liverool we have been given permission to talk to any club. If Saints gave city their blessing they must have been resigned to losing him so why create such a fuss if we talked to them. Not as if we haven't lined their pockets over the past 3 years.
06 Jun 2017 12:05:27
Well for a start, it's only hearsay right now. No point in jumping to conclusions until there is one. Just paper talk at this stage.
06 Jun 2017 12:32:25
I hope its just journos spitting the dummy and stirring the pot cos we have all of a sudden been able to compete with and even beat the money boys to a big signing. kind of like how they reported "the big 4" until united started to slip down the table and now all of a sudden its "the big 6" lol 😉.
06 Jun 2017 12:54:55
No its not hearsay TQ, we are been investigated over it tge conclusion is unsure tho.
06 Jun 2017 13:37:23
But we haven't been found guilty of anything have we? I could accuse you of anything but until you're found guilty, it's just an allegation and therefore, shouldn't be treated as anything but.
If the club is found guilty, it should face everything that comes its way. Until then, there's little point in speculating about what may or may not happen.
06 Jun 2017 14:21:28
CK, slow your roll bro and stop jumping to conclusions cos only Saints are the ones moaning now and we are yet to hear our side of the story. I do agree that it doe not look good due to a useless record of tapping up players but some perspective is need here.
Could it be that the Saints are just mad that VVD picked us (who they don't like obviously) over City and Chelsea? Could it be that they are just mad that there will be no bidding war hence, more money for them so they are just throwing a tantrum? There are also reports that he spoke to Pep and Conte but Saints ain't peed off about that are they?
I suggest that you let things play out before throwing shade on a topic no one knows a thing about yet.
06 Jun 2017 14:41:11
You will see from my post if your read it carefully I have said "if tgis is true" so I am not jumping to conclusions just giving my 2 cent on again il say it if this is true. But there is no smoke without fire so Southampton clearly feel agreived by something and law states they need proof of this as thry can't just go around crying wolf everytime they don't like something.
06 Jun 2017 11:51:45
In the event we were found guilty of an illegal approach for VVD, what would or could be potential punsihments?
06 Jun 2017 11:57:30
Transfer ban
When will learn as a club!
06 Jun 2017 12:43:54
When will we learn not to overreact as a fan base?
06 Jun 2017 12:45:36
If that ends up happening it'll be a short tenure for new transfer guru edwards.
06 Jun 2017 11:50:19
Hi Eds,
with all the happenings around incomings, i've lost sight of where we are with renewing Emre Can contract. in jan/ feb i was half ready to let him go, but really came on strong in last 10 gms or so in hendo extended absence. Defn think we need to secure and continue to develop him. Are we being overconfident to think he won't get fed up with us not jumping to renew and up and leave? Or is he and Klopp so close we have nothing to fret about?
cheers.
{Ed001's Note - last I heard it was set to be signed.}
06 Jun 2017 11:47:00
Ed, I thought it was VVD's representative who approached us? Hence why we went from not being interested to interested .
{Ed001's Note - doesn't matter. Once they do that we should have sought Saints' permission to talk to him. Clearly Saints believe that never happened. The issue is whether or not LFC believed the approach was made with Soton's blessing or not. I was under the impression that we thought they had authorised the approach. In which case why did no one make sure and get proof that they knew?}
06 Jun 2017 12:00:30
Ok, thanks Ed. Sounds like we'll never learn.
Does this put the VVD deal in jeopardy? And others for that matter?
{Ed001's Note - yes.}
06 Jun 2017 12:12:23
Awesome.
06 Jun 2017 11:42:30
Will everyone just relax over the VVD supposed illegal approach. The saints are basically putting up a front to pretend to their fans that they're fighting tooth and nail for him him to stay. Deep down they know he is gone, it's just a last minute tactic to cause some drama. As for salah, Roma have to sell before the 30th of June so they can fulfill the FFP regulations. We're putting pressure on them to sell by saying we're looking at other targets. Don't believe anything in the papers, as agents/ clubs will do anything to get an advantage.
06 Jun 2017 14:24:56
I agree with you, Sahko but it should have been up to us to make sure that Saints authorized VVD's agent to speak to us cos per Ed01, it was his agent who came to us and we thought the Saints permitted it. Willful ignorance or believing in good faith, may not be an excuse here as we have to cross our eyes and dot our tees esp. with our record of tapping up players.
{Ed001's Note - I never said we did believe it, I said we may have. My point was that we should have made sure everything was done above board and then there would be no issue.}
06 Jun 2017 15:27:57
Yes, we should have covered our bases and that may be the mistake here, Ed.
06 Jun 2017 11:39:48
Morning eds
Hope not
Sky reporting that southampton have asked premier league to investigate vvd for possible tapping up.
Ed your take would be appreciated.
{Ed001's Note - you need permission to speak to a player under contract at another club. We did not have that permission according to Saints. The question is whether we thought there was permission and led to believe so or whether we just didnt care.}
06 Jun 2017 11:44:47
Thanks ed
Thanks for quick response
If southampton are persuing it obviously not.
{Ed001's Note - that does not necessarily follow. It is best to wait and see now.}
06 Jun 2017 12:24:03
Any idea if the PL will wrap this up quickly or will it drag on?
06 Jun 2017 12:27:50
Surely we will just say we thought permission was granted?
06 Jun 2017 14:29:46
That's sounds right, Kloppsreds but whether willful ignorance be accepted? We shall see.
06 Jun 2017 11:39:14
Apparently Saints tried the same 'tapping up' ruse with Liverpool when Clyne was signed, and it eventuated into nothing.
06 Jun 2017 14:44:18
This may be diff. tho, Robin. His agent came to us and we may have thought the Saints board knew about the meeting and gave their permission. If that is not the case then either the question was never asked hence, willful ignorance or it was asked and the agent lied. We shall see.
06 Jun 2017 11:29:19
Saints reporting us to PL wtf happened there?
06 Jun 2017 11:44:48
Talk about biting the hand that feeds you!
We've been single handedly financing that club since Suarez left!
06 Jun 2017 11:21:54
Hi Eds,
With the club likely to send Ward out on loan again this year do you think they will look for a third choice keeper or will the youth supply the 3rd keeper?
I'm guessing his wages would be much too high to make it viable, but Willy Caballero might be a decent option for me.
Or Shay Given, as he is doing his coaching badges at the moment as well.
Cheers for all your work as well Eds, much appreciated.
{Ed001's Note - it is more likely Manninger will sign for another year.}
06 Jun 2017 11:41:27
I thought Manninger decided to retire?
{Ed001's Note - yes but there is a possibility of player coach role.}
06 Jun 2017 11:20:21
Just a quick one.
Cant remember last year but does the manager still take a photo with all his new signings?
Dont know why it matters like. Just wondering why it stopped.
06 Jun 2017 12:38:28
Perhaps the club thought it better not to post photos of Klopp taking selfies with our transfer targets before a contract was signed. 😢😢.
06 Jun 2017 11:33:08
Southampton reporting us for tapping up VVD. Here we go again :- (.
06 Jun 2017 11:39:36
Surely Man City should be reported aswell then? weren't they in discussions like us?
06 Jun 2017 11:37:14
All of the Eds are aware of VVD's willingness to join Liverpool and tapping up was not presented as a concern. Surely Southampton are just being desperate.
06 Jun 2017 11:28:40
bbc reporting southampton to report liverpool for tapping up vvd. oh dear.
06 Jun 2017 11:24:43
Reports saying we illegally approached VVD? Not this again!
06 Jun 2017 10:00:27
Sly Sports report:
"Man City were interested in signing Virgil Van Dijk, but do not feel the deal is worth the money being offered by other clubs.
City weren't prepared to go to the same level, and are comfortable with him moving elsewhere. "
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After admitting that they had been out bid it must have been difficult for them to make that statement through all of that egg on their face.
Tee Hee!
06 Jun 2017 10:18:00
They haven't been outbid though.
They don't feel he is worth the money.
Man city can outbid us any day of the week.
{Ed001's Note - that is not true. They pulled out when the player told them he was not interested in moving to them and wanted to join us.}
06 Jun 2017 10:19:15
And John Stones is worth the money, I suppose.
06 Jun 2017 10:34:28
Sour grapes on City's part imo. If a player tells u he does not want to join your club, then the sensible thing to do is to walk away.
06 Jun 2017 10:44:44
I hope they splash the cash on another stones!
06 Jun 2017 09:55:46
Eds Macca said Mendy wanted us and we were willing to pay the fee, sky sports seem to think M. City have pulled out due to the £40m tag as and are now targeting Bertrand?
06 Jun 2017 10:03:04
Ed002 said a few times nobody has been close to the asking price.
06 Jun 2017 10:12:42
I just saw that. Hope we still have a chance at getting Mandy as he'd solve our LB problem. So eds do we still have interest/ a chance to sign Mandy?
{Ed001's Note - yes, if we meet the asking price.}
06 Jun 2017 10:37:26
So VVD says no to City and now they cannot get a deal for Mendy done now. Cue to all the panickers that thought City would become unstoppable after they signed Bernardo Silva, Pep probably will not be getting all his first choice targets either.
If we meet Mendy's asking price though, I will be damn happy.
06 Jun 2017 10:47:06
If we get Mendy then the new CEO has done more work than Ayre in years!
06 Jun 2017 10:54:46
Lay off ayre. Bloody hell.
The team that finished 4th last year, and the team tbat finished 2nd was down to his transfer dealings.
This ceo now has a club in the champions league to offer plus a lot more money and a better manager to sell to any potential player.
Ayre did great.
06 Jun 2017 11:22:33
I believe that once an employee leaves we should keep a dignified silence about their time at LFC. The bloke has the rest of his career to deal with and should be left to get on with it.
The exception are specimens like El Hadji Diouf who disrespected the club and fans. He should be treated with utter contempt unless he is prepared to build bridges.
There are other example who are similar but not as contemptible.
06 Jun 2017 09:55:23
Would we not be better off trying to sign cresswell back instead of robertson or is it the age difference?
06 Jun 2017 09:45:30
Bellerin is refusing to rule out Barcelona, time to swoop in and offer 40,000,001 and offer him champions league football.
06 Jun 2017 10:38:06
Dear god no, he a dreadful defender!
06 Jun 2017 11:17:26
Scarface. You wouldn't want us to sign a defender that can't defend.
Close your eyes and cover your ears then mate.
06 Jun 2017 09:39:55
A few posters have mentioned (If VVD signs) possibly playing three at the back in the same formation as Chelsea last season. Obviously this is completely hypothetical, but who would you all see occupying the three attacking places if we did adopt this formation for certain games? I would imagine it would be firmino, couts and Mane.
06 Jun 2017 09:44:11
You mean Klopp will drop Salah to play an extra defender? I don't think so mate. I don't know why people think we will play 3 at the back.
06 Jun 2017 09:49:43
I actually tend to agree with you on that one tbh but I suppose it could be employed against teams sitting back against to give us some width. Could have Milner on the right and Salah on the left on that situation? But yeah tbh nothing has shown that Klopp has much interest in going three at the back.
06 Jun 2017 09:53:26
I think having VVD will give us the option to play 3 at the back if Klopp thinks that that is the best thing to do in the circumstances.
The ability to change formation to suit opponents is essential.
06 Jun 2017 10:19:08
Karius
Clyne matip vvd lovren robertson
Hendo wij
Mane firmino salah/ coutinho.
06 Jun 2017 11:25:27
It gives us options.
I doubt Salah will play every game.
I doubt we will play the same formation all throughout every game!
06 Jun 2017 11:26:09
i really want to see coutinho drop into a more central position. but can only really see this working if we adopt a formation that is set up to protect him defensively. he shouldn't be running up and down the pitch like can, gini and lallana do. he needs to be higher up the pitch impacting the game in the attacking third.
06 Jun 2017 11:18:52
How has that got 3 disklikes.
The only player dropped is lallana. And that's looking more and more likely by the day.
If klopp is buying a cb and a new attacking full bacl in mendy pr robertson then that team above is probably more than likely to show its face throuvhout the season.
06 Jun 2017 09:16:48
Question for Ed01
If City look to persue Bertrand instead of Mendy and Liverpool confirm deals to be sealed As soon as the transfer window opens for Salah and VVD.
As a left back is a big priority do you think we may look to go back for Mendy or have we burnt our bridges there?
I would love to sign Bertrand if he was a target but don't see it.
Thabks in advance ED01.
{Ed001's Note - I have no idea, certainly do not know anything of bridges being burnt.}
06 Jun 2017 09:27:51
They have lost out on VVD. No chance in heaven they will miss out on Mendy.
06 Jun 2017 09:35:59
It's looking increasingly likely that City are signing Bertrand and seem to be cooling intrest in mendy due to Monaco slapping the 40 million price tag on him. if the money's still available within our club I think we should go for it, I mean Left back was the main priority this summer right?
06 Jun 2017 10:01:54
Worth £40m if VVD is £50m plus and Bellerin is £40m+.
06 Jun 2017 10:14:59
We should go all out for Mandy in my opinion. For me that'll be a successful transfer window: Solanke, Salah, VVD and Mandy. Sounds good to me!
06 Jun 2017 10:39:32
I'd pay up for Mendy. VVD, Mendy, Salah will do for me this summer and also Periera as a bonus. One of the best first 11 in Europe if we get those 4 players.
06 Jun 2017 10:59:32
Buzzer is spot on. We don't need any CMs so a top level CB, LB and Salah looks good enough. I've been watching Solanke in the U20 WC and he looks quality, in fact imo looks a better player then Origi. We stop there well we'll have a great squad already. If we were greedy then Periera would give us one of the best 11s in Europe.
06 Jun 2017 09:00:01
With Milner potentially relegated to impact sun and Hendo struggling with injuries, who should be our penalty taker?
06 Jun 2017 09:05:18
I wouldn't describe Milner as an impact sub,
The pen order seems to be:
Milner
Hendo
Sturridge
Coutinho
Whether they give it Coutinho full time because he plays the most we will have to wait and see.
06 Jun 2017 09:07:37
klavan.
06 Jun 2017 09:13:04
VVD, Set piece and Penalty.
06 Jun 2017 09:39:36
Lallana.
06 Jun 2017 10:24:02
Milner, as he will be playing Right Back.
06 Jun 2017 10:41:56
I think you may well be right there Fitzy.
06 Jun 2017 10:46:45
Mane took pens for Southampton remember.
06 Jun 2017 11:04:34
I'd say Matip is quality at penos.
06 Jun 2017 11:18:49
Nah, give 'em to Migs. Goalies on pen duty are boss!
06 Jun 2017 08:12:13
Some days before i said i'd go for a cheaper CB as i really think VVD valuation will harm the club financially by all means. I was asked who would i bring and i've thought of 4 or 5 that could be lot cheaper, that I think are ready to be in our starting XI and that could become in European referents in a couple of years. I don't know if Chelsea would ever sell us any of their back up CBs, but i think Ake, Zouma and Christensen are huge talents, none of them would have cost more than some 30 millions (perhaps except Ake, who would be my first choice) and I would bet on any of those kids to bring us to the next level defensively. Apart from them, I'd probably go for Yerry Mina from Palmeiras (probably most of you don't know him), but he is quite tall, great on air defensively and attacking, and has pace and good positional sense and passing. Sule was one i really liked but now is of. There are other possibilities like Davinson Sanchez or Tah, who could be good options too (but i won't lie, as i haven't seem those two enough) . My point is I rate VVD, but i don't think he is the beast press claims, much less that his value is 50-60 million pounds. I expect he solves many of our defensive problems and leadership, but i would have another aproach on the CBs. Now that seems almost done, I respect Klopps decision and I really think VVD is the kind of defender Klopp likes, as I see in VVD some of the same characteristics (good and bad) from Hummels. I think a good sign is that he is choosing us over other great teams, so that might translate in motivation, so if the deal is finalized i hope he delivers and in the end i will be backing him and his development.
I think this is a move of determination from the club, that maybe was needed after so many years of collapsing deals. I hope the deal won't bother other players for VVD huge salary and that our books will be in order to invest as well in other strategic targets.
06 Jun 2017 08:37:27
Niko, re read what you have written for a moment.
You don't want to spend £60m on VvD but are happy to spend more than £30m on Ake?!
REal life isn't FIFA!
06 Jun 2017 08:50:53
That's a good, sensible post. 30 million has been thrown at both defenders and players with potential, but 60 million is another thing.
My personal opinion of van Dijk has been strongly influenced by ed01's analysis of his weaknesses back in the autumn, which killed all potential hype. However, now that he is close to becoming our statement signing, I am happy. He seems to really buy into the project and want to work with Klopp and Gini - it has been a while since we managed to whisk a player away from the big clubs, Firmino being the last case I remember, when we had to overpay greatly.
I also think that van Dijk resembles Hummels and Subotic to a degree - perhaps Klopp is looking to replicate what he had there? Looking back on what I have seen from him, he would strike me as a LUXURY defender - that is, a defender that is not that good at defending, but seems like a complete player. Think of Hummels and Pique. They have many weaknesses, but play in expansive, aggressive systems that allow them to flourish. I think. that it is a good thing that Klopp is aiming at such a player. His ambition might be not to shore up the defense - I ed01 often says, Ben Gibson would have been better for that task. No, Klopp is looking for us to take the next step, and increase our dominance on the ball.
Let's hope this works out.
06 Jun 2017 09:04:31
I think what needs to be looked at is not the value of VVD the player but the value of VVD to Liverpool.
We are a club on the rise and securing a transfer which was City and Chelsea's target will give a morale boost to the whole club and show that we can compete with the top teams and are actually serious about challenging for the title.
All this in addition to the fact that atleast imo he os a fantastic players and for me in the top 3 cb's in the league. With the potential to be world class in the future
He will certainly be on the costly side but I think if we pull this off it'll be looked at in a similar way as the Rio Ferdinand transfer to United.
06 Jun 2017 09:20:03
I do tend to agree that Christensen is a special talent, a good defender, strong, good on the ball and decent in the air. On the other hand it is nice to see us beating City and Chelsea to a player!
06 Jun 2017 09:21:16
I could throw a few more names as options. By you do realize this decision came very late hence it wasn't in the sharkopod or any of the Editors respsonses.
Klopp did an Everest blunder last summer replacing Sakho with Klavan and not VVD. The same player was available for half the price last summer.
Sometimes you pay over the odds to sign players who are in immediate need. Liverpool with VVD looks more stable than without VVD. That much is assured.
He is a dominant CB, Pace, Power and excellent in the air. His ability to carry the ball and pick a pass forward is excellent something which will benefit our midfield.
{Ed001's Note - he was not available last summer, especially not at half the price. That is a lie you have just made up.}
06 Jun 2017 09:38:41
Ohk Ed. I meant in general. If not him someone who was better than Sakho and Lovren. Pretty much the same with LB as well. Did not buy one last summer and now face an uphill battle against big money full backs!
06 Jun 2017 10:29:28
Klopp didn't replace Sahko with Klavan. Klavan was meant to be back up with Matip, Lovern and Sahko the first choices. Then Sahko went loo laa again and again and blew up Klopp's defensive plans right as the season was about to start.
{Ed001's Note - wrong, Klavan was brought in to replace Sakho. Gomez was meant to be the main back up but he has struggled to get back to his best so far.}
06 Jun 2017 07:18:36
Hi Eds, any info on if Klopp rates grujic? Heard somewhere that part of his contract is that he gets more games next season? Thanks.
{Ed001's Note - Klopp likes him, but he needs to stay fit.}
06 Jun 2017 10:33:45
I like that against packed defenses he continually makes runs through the defenders from midfield. We need a bit more of that against teams that set up defensively. It drags defenders out of position to cover his run and gives a half a yard of space for the strikers to shoot. It can be a thankless job and most midfielders will automatically stop after a while of not getting the ball.
06 Jun 2017 06:20:00
Morning Eds, isn't Tymon a handy/ strategic option for the LB back up spot? If he sticks around enough time he'll become an academy trained player, add per FIFA standards.
{Ed001's Note - sorry what is the question? It seems rhetorical.}
06 Jun 2017 06:27:09
Fair enough :) if we are really looking to add LBs, is tymon high up the list for the bench/ back up option?
{Ed001's Note - already said he was mate, this has been dealt with a thousand times, it would have been simple to put the name in the search box.}
06 Jun 2017 06:36:49
My bad. Thousands apologies, thanks for all the work.
{Ed001's Note - sorry if that sounds grumpy, I just get fed up of repeating myself sometimes.}
06 Jun 2017 07:39:06
Hi Ed001,
I'm just wondering whether you get grumpy if you have to repeat yourself?
(Just kidding. don't hurt me)
{Ed001's Note - I am feeling like a cross between Ed025 and Ed003 these days (old and grumpy).}
06 Jun 2017 09:22:52
Not having to justify grumpiness is a privilege of age, ed.
I'm guessing we're not seeing much movement at fullback cause with Mendy out of the picture the club has it's hands full with the Salah and VVD transfers?
{Ed001's Note - I expect something to happen once Salah is finalised.}
06 Jun 2017 03:40:02
Is it being too hopeful if I want us to sign Lafayette?
06 Jun 2017 04:31:31
Yes FSG is not looking to takeover the French outfit.
06 Jun 2017 04:45:31
who is lafayette. lol.
06 Jun 2017 04:48:25
You mean Galaries Lafayette? Bit of a change in strategy isn't it?
06 Jun 2017 05:20:02
Yes we can sign Lafayette. We can also go for Covfefe too if funds exist.
06 Jun 2017 05:52:11
What a frenchman and a russian.
06 Jun 2017 07:03:24
Insert Little Feat reference here.
06 Jun 2017 09:28:17
Wiwar, you'll be railroaded out of here for that.
Wish I could sigh Lowell George for my band. 🎸🎶.
06 Jun 2017 01:50:41
Talking about the fullbacks, it does seem a little strange everyone (including myself) has been critical of Clynes end product and aerial ability in defence, yet were all hoping for a new LB (including myself) when Milner has done a very good job there.
From my perspective I'm hoping a new LB creates the left footed attack that would give us the ability to whip in dangerous crosses and get behind defences on the left (and stop Milner from always having to cut inside - a particular problem because Coutinho plays exactly the same way), and then we can move Milner over to RB ahead of Clyne.
Is everyone else thinking the same?
Also worth noting however that if we do end up getting Salah, who is left footed and a winger, Milner at LB becomes less of an issue IMO. If we play Salah on the left side to create pace and width (as opposed to Coutinho who was more of an inside forward) then the dynamic would change quite a bit and there is less urgency to bring in a left footed LB unless we can find the right one. Clyne has to be changed regardless though.
06 Jun 2017 02:34:28
yup. for me, we are missing genuine pace down the left flank as well. I can't remember which game now, but it was one of the latter games of the season where moreno came on and was able to get behind the defensive line purely down to his pace. But the other key factor that changes when you have genuine pace down the wings is the midfielders start to look for that run, the kind of run where all the midfielder has to do is split the CB and fullback and then you're of. it is something that City do expertly with the pace they have coming from their wingers on both sides.
06 Jun 2017 03:27:25
I think it would be best to buy a left winger because there aren't many available that are more composed on the ball than Milner. Ideally we would prefer an upgrade on Moreno that's reasonably priced and somewhat young. Robertson has less upside than Sessegnon but he would be ready now rather than someone unproven in the prem. Really like the look of Solanke and don't think we need an investment at striker now. Salah is also a tasty option. If we can finalize business there and purchase a centerback I think we have a squad that can challenge for the title.
06 Jun 2017 04:04:52
Milner did an okay job far from very good. Not only going forward. He was hopeless in defending for quite a few times especially against pacy wingers. I think it should be top priority to replace both LB and RB.
06 Jun 2017 04:05:16
It would still be a short term fix imo. Shifting milner to right won't solve the puzzle. We blindly believe he would all of a sudden start crossing better but the reality is he is very poor. He takes all the corners with his right foot and they are terrible.
We need two new full backs. Let's not do the same mistake over and over again ( shifting players out of position ) .
Just coz someone works hard doesn't become good full back!
06 Jun 2017 04:08:24
Good point.
In an ideal world, I would love to have 2 new full backs.
One in each flank.
It is a pity that Moreno doesn't work out, Clyne not the kinds of full back we need, and Milner has his shortcoming.
And TAA in my opinion is also not quite there yet.
I would probably sell Clyne and Moreno, with Milner and TAA as back up.
P. S. thought Moreno should have been more a chance against the lesser team, ahead of Milner, and see if that's what we need, that is speed, a bit more skill going forward and ability to go to the byline and cutback or crosses. Now we never know.
06 Jun 2017 05:01:23
SC - was really basing that on the period where Milner played on the right under Rodgers. his delivery from the right was excellent and instrumental in a number of goals (albeit we had Benteke in the box) .
I think he's far better crossing from the right when he's on the move (and got runners to hit, and space to aim at between defence and GK) than at set pieces which is a very different skill.
Defensively I think he's learnt a lot since he started at LB and would be sound. and a perfect option as a more mature player to bring TAA through underneath.
06 Jun 2017 09:08:12
I agree with Zimbo, Milner's in-play crossing is far better than his set-piece delivery, and can see him delivering wicked balls across the 6 yards box for onrushers. Plus, it's important we don't stifle TAA's chances.
06 Jun 2017 01:20:41
Hi from California eds big fan. What are the possibilities we use shako in a exchange plus money exchange for VVD?
{Ed002's Note - Hi also from California Zazu. I am not aware of Southampton interest in Sakho but if Liverpool could use any players to get the fee down they will.}
06 Jun 2017 01:57:11
remember, sakho also needs to want the move zazu mate. its possible, but unlikely.
06 Jun 2017 04:06:03
Liverpool will sell him to Palace to raise some cash.
{Ed001's Note - Palace are not so keen to spend that cash.}
06 Jun 2017 05:02:45
Would be nice to send one their way at last.
06 Jun 2017 08:27:00
It's like for like, he's a top defender and he's played very well at palace whilst wanting to play at a slightly higher level than the eagles.
Would be excellent for all parties, pity doesn't sound like Soton are interested.
06 Jun 2017 07:40:59
California Ed002? Are you Tom Cruise?
{Ed002's Note - I woud need to check but I don't think so. I grew up here.}
06 Jun 2017 09:22:45
Ed002 sounds a lot taller than Tom Cruise.
06 Jun 2017 00:36:57
RIP Chiek Tiote. Such a shock : (.
06 Jun 2017 00:18:34
So apparently the vvd transfer is done, and we won the battle of his signature. I think that really stamps some authority in the transfer market, something we haven't done in a while, the higher calibre players we've bought in recent years have mostly gone uncontested, which is sometimes a good thing in terms of fees etc. In terms of the player himself, I feel the same way I did about the mane transfer last summer. I am completely for the transfer as the player is a very decent acquisition, but for the fee there are probably better players for considerably less. But if we are not interested in these players there's not much to be said, and no point naming the obvious options.
I never quite expected this sort of inflation, I knew the tv deals would change things considerably but I never anticipated this. I almost feel inclined to say if we buy one or two more players that demand these sort of fees then one of our big players would surely be leaving, or am I underestimating Liverpool new spending power.
Before the summer began, most of us knew that to go up a level we had to acquire players that genuinely improved our first 11 rather than just depth. Salah and vvd do that to some degree. I think vvd is better than lovren, klavan and possibly even matip but I still have the inclinations he's a maverick and could make some rash errors, so the verdict will be out on him. Salah, is exactly what a lot of us where crying out for when mane was at afcon or injured, the irony here is that Salah eventually goes to afcon too, which makes things difficult long term. I think he improves the lw if that is where he will be playing, but only if coutinho is still kept, otherwise I don't see it as quite the improvement.
Regardless, the start to this transfer window has been quite eventful and it seems we want to get the bulk of our business done early which I think is a great thing. Apart from vvd and Salah, I think real improvements need to be made at LB and possibly CM and anything else is a bonus or dependant on departures. I just really hope we keep hold of our best players.
06 Jun 2017 00:40:55
No Kman name the obvious options that would cost considerably less but be as good as VVD? I don't know any. You also have to take into account the message this sends to the rest of our players. If we are going head to head with Chelsea and City and coming out on top it shows they are at a big club with ambition and they could achieve their goals here. We have been a stepping stone to other clubs for too long and this for me is a massive step in the right direction and a huge statement to not only other clubs but to our own players aswell.
06 Jun 2017 01:24:28
Agree with Pipsscreamer. Beating Chelsea and City to a high profile player shows ambition and sends a signal that we want to build on what we have rather than remain a selling club. VVD and Salah signing will send a message to the rest of the squad that the owners are serious about winning trophies on a consistent level in the future and that their ambitions can be achieved at LFC itself. Keeping the likes of Couts, Firmino and Mane at the club for the long haul will become easier.
06 Jun 2017 02:38:42
just like the usual suspects who jumped the gun too early to lambast FSG for seemingly failing to land a player we weren't initially trying to target. perhaps we shouldn't jump the gun too early until the transfer is complete!? lol :)